Might as well be called Magnums… theres really NO point in even using the DMR in the Zero Bloom gametype. Magnums 4SK > DMRs 5SK all day long… there is NO way to stop it!
Can we PLEASE get at least seperate playlists for ZB? One for ONLY DMRs and one for ONLY Magnums? And for that matter… make ZB into it’s very own playlist…
I’m seriously getting sick of IT being the ONLY thing people are voting on now… no one even DARES try 85% because they’re scared of Bloom. Orly?
85% pacers win, not spammers. ZB? Just spam the living crap out of the Magnum which has NO CAPPED RATE OF FIRE! -.-
Personally I don’t feel the pistol is that big a threat in ZB but maybe that’s because I usually keep myself at a far enough distance so the terrible spread on that puppy kicks in, but seriously an entire seperate playlist for just ZB magnum games?
> Might as well be called Magnums… theres really NO point in even using the DMR in the Zero Bloom gametype. Magnums 4SK > DMRs 5SK all day long… there is NO way to stop it!
>
> Can we PLEASE get at least seperate playlists for ZB? One for ONLY DMRs and one for ONLY Magnums? And for that matter… make ZB into it’s very own playlist…
>
> I’m seriously getting sick of IT being the ONLY thing people are voting on now… no one even DARES try 85% because they’re scared of Bloom. Orly?
>
> 85% pacers win, not spammers. ZB? Just spam the living crap out of the Magnum which has NO CAPPED RATE OF FIRE! -.-
>
> Discuss?
No on is “afraid” of bloom its just not enjoyable. Who like always wonderign if they lost a fight due to skill or luck. In ZB when i die in a 1v1 i know its cuz i shot bad, there is no mystery to it, whereas in bloom its always down to chance.
oh and nub fun fact: Magnums for CQB, DMR for long range, and = for mid range. Sorry you cant just spam your 1 rifle for every scenario anymore, pls go back and play Reach its still waiting for you.
> > Might as well be called Magnums… theres really NO point in even using the DMR in the Zero Bloom gametype. Magnums 4SK > DMRs 5SK all day long… there is NO way to stop it!
> >
> > Can we PLEASE get at least seperate playlists for ZB? One for ONLY DMRs and one for ONLY Magnums? And for that matter… make ZB into it’s very own playlist…
> >
> > I’m seriously getting sick of IT being the ONLY thing people are voting on now… no one even DARES try 85% because they’re scared of Bloom. Orly?
> >
> > 85% pacers win, not spammers. ZB? Just spam the living crap out of the Magnum which has NO CAPPED RATE OF FIRE! -.-
> >
> > Discuss?
>
> No on is “afraid” of bloom its just not enjoyable. Who like always wonderign if they lost a fight due to skill or luck. In ZB when i die in a 1v1 i know its cuz i shot bad, there is no mystery to it, whereas in bloom its always down to chance.
>
> oh and nub fun fact: Magnums for CQB, DMR for long range, and = for mid range. Sorry you cant just spam your 1 rifle for every scenario anymore, pls go back and play Reach its still waiting for you.
NAH I know they’re scared… scared to PACE and actually require SKILL. About literally EVERY 85B game I’ve been in I’ve had little to NO trouble making my shots always hit and pace them properly. ADAPT.
I even had a game where we voted 85B FIRST and we destroyed them. Then they shouted rematch and all voted for ZB. THEY did GREAT in ZB where as my team didn’t even have a clue what was going on. And kept dropping like flies!
So lets see… in 85B the opp. team sucked… HORRIBLY
But in Zero Bloom… they’re… good? How does that make any sense when all I gotta do is make sure my reticle is on you at all times and spam? Your argument is invalid sir.
> > > Might as well be called Magnums… theres really NO point in even using the DMR in the Zero Bloom gametype. Magnums 4SK > DMRs 5SK all day long… there is NO way to stop it!
> > >
> > > Can we PLEASE get at least seperate playlists for ZB? One for ONLY DMRs and one for ONLY Magnums? And for that matter… make ZB into it’s very own playlist…
> > >
> > > I’m seriously getting sick of IT being the ONLY thing people are voting on now… no one even DARES try 85% because they’re scared of Bloom. Orly?
> > >
> > > 85% pacers win, not spammers. ZB? Just spam the living crap out of the Magnum which has NO CAPPED RATE OF FIRE! -.-
> > >
> > > Discuss?
> >
> > No on is “afraid” of bloom its just not enjoyable. Who like always wonderign if they lost a fight due to skill or luck. In ZB when i die in a 1v1 i know its cuz i shot bad, there is no mystery to it, whereas in bloom its always down to chance.
> >
> > oh and nub fun fact: Magnums for CQB, DMR for long range, and = for mid range. Sorry you cant just spam your 1 rifle for every scenario anymore, pls go back and play Reach its still waiting for you.
>
> NAH I know they’re scared… scared to PACE and actually require SKILL. About literally EVERY 85B game I’ve been in I’ve had little to NO trouble making my shots always hit and pace them properly. ADAPT.
>
> I even had a game where we voted 85B FIRST and we destroyed them. Then they shouted rematch and all voted for ZB. THEY did GREAT in ZB where as my team didn’t even have a clue what was going on. And kept dropping like flies!
>
> So lets see… in 85B the opp. team sucked… HORRIBLY
>
> But in Zero Bloom… they’re… good? How does that make any sense when all I gotta do is make sure my reticle is on you at all times and spam? Your argument is invalid sir.
You guys got trashed in ZB because there are no inhibitors on good players and crutches for bad ones. Bloom equalizes bad players which is why you were able to put up a fight in 85% but got dookied on in ZB.
Let em ask you this if you are down a shot in 85% in a 1v1 and cant esca[e what do you do ? d o you pace so that all your shots count? Of coarse not the logical thing to do is spam and hope to get lucky cuz if you pace you will likely lose sinc eyou are a shot down. This crutch is gone from ZB and those with solid aim and goo awareness are rewarded, not BKs who like to try an get lucky.
And i dont think waiting is a skill compared to precision aiming.
just accept it, without bloom you are bad since you need that equalizer that bloom provides.
> NAH I know they’re scared… scared to PACE and actually require SKILL. About literally EVERY 85B game I’ve been in I’ve had little to NO trouble making my shots always hit and pace them properly. ADAPT.
>
> I even had a game where we voted 85B FIRST and we destroyed them. Then they shouted rematch and all voted for ZB. THEY did GREAT in ZB where as my team didn’t even have a clue what was going on. And kept dropping like flies!
>
> So lets see… in 85B the opp. team sucked… HORRIBLY
>
> But in Zero Bloom… they’re… good? How does that make any sense when all I gotta do is make sure my reticle is on you at all times and spam? Your argument is invalid sir.
lol are you seriously insinuating that pacing is a skill? Because it’s not, I had the timing for pacing my shots mastered within 15 minutes my first time playing reach. And there is no spam in zero bloom, it’s called shooting. No one ever mentioned spam in previous halo titles, because there was no bloom.
> > > > Might as well be called Magnums… theres really NO point in even using the DMR in the Zero Bloom gametype. Magnums 4SK > DMRs 5SK all day long… there is NO way to stop it!
> > > >
> > > > Can we PLEASE get at least seperate playlists for ZB? One for ONLY DMRs and one for ONLY Magnums? And for that matter… make ZB into it’s very own playlist…
> > > >
> > > > I’m seriously getting sick of IT being the ONLY thing people are voting on now… no one even DARES try 85% because they’re scared of Bloom. Orly?
> > > >
> > > > 85% pacers win, not spammers. ZB? Just spam the living crap out of the Magnum which has NO CAPPED RATE OF FIRE! -.-
> > > >
> > > > Discuss?
> > >
> > > No on is “afraid” of bloom its just not enjoyable. Who like always wonderign if they lost a fight due to skill or luck. In ZB when i die in a 1v1 i know its cuz i shot bad, there is no mystery to it, whereas in bloom its always down to chance.
> > >
> > > oh and nub fun fact: Magnums for CQB, DMR for long range, and = for mid range. Sorry you cant just spam your 1 rifle for every scenario anymore, pls go back and play Reach its still waiting for you.
> >
> > NAH I know they’re scared… scared to PACE and actually require SKILL. About literally EVERY 85B game I’ve been in I’ve had little to NO trouble making my shots always hit and pace them properly. ADAPT.
> >
> > I even had a game where we voted 85B FIRST and we destroyed them. Then they shouted rematch and all voted for ZB. THEY did GREAT in ZB where as my team didn’t even have a clue what was going on. And kept dropping like flies!
> >
> > So lets see… in 85B the opp. team sucked… HORRIBLY
> >
> > But in Zero Bloom… they’re… good? How does that make any sense when all I gotta do is make sure my reticle is on you at all times and spam? Your argument is invalid sir.
>
> You guys got trashed in ZB because there are no inhibitors on good players and crutches for bad ones. Bloom equalizes bad players which is why you were able to put up a fight in 85% but got dookied on in ZB.
>
> Let em ask you this if you are down a shot in 85% in a 1v1 and cant esca[e what do you do ? d o you pace so that all your shots count? Of coarse not the logical thing to do is spam and hope to get lucky cuz if you pace you will likely lose sinc eyou are a shot down. This crutch is gone from ZB and those with solid aim and goo awareness are rewarded, not BKs who like to try an get lucky.
>
> And i dont think waiting is a skill compared to precision aiming.
>
> just accept it, without bloom you are bad since you need that equalizer that bloom provides.
^ Truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
DMR still has a use in ZB. If you fail to see this then obviously you don’t know how to play ZB. Pistol excels at close to medium mid range. DMR excels at the more extreme end of mid range and long range. How things are currently both the pistol and DMR get willingly used, but under any other settings the DMR is always preferred over the pistol. The only time you’d use a pistol is when you’re forced to. Besides, just pretend the pistol is the DMR if you really want to.
> Personally I don’t feel the pistol is that big a threat in ZB but maybe that’s because I usually keep myself at a far enough distance so the terrible spread on that puppy kicks in, but seriously an entire seperate playlist for just ZB magnum games?
I dont know if any map has a long enough range from the magnums grasp.
> > Personally I don’t feel the pistol is that big a threat in ZB but maybe that’s because I usually keep myself at a far enough distance so the terrible spread on that puppy kicks in, but seriously an entire seperate playlist for just ZB magnum games?
>
> I dont know if any map has a long enough range from the magnums grasp.
asylum, reflection, zealot, countdown. DMRs better at longer range, magnums small clip and bullet spread balance it out IMO
> > > Personally I don’t feel the pistol is that big a threat in ZB but maybe that’s because I usually keep myself at a far enough distance so the terrible spread on that puppy kicks in, but seriously an entire seperate playlist for just ZB magnum games?
> >
> > I dont know if any map has a long enough range from the magnums grasp.
>
> asylum, reflection, zealot, countdown. DMRs better at longer range, magnums small clip and bullet spread balance it out IMO
have you tried crouching and scoping with the magnum? Its a tool of destruction, I dont even know why you mentioned countdown and zealot because they have some of the worst zb gameplay ive seen, with the amount of cqc spots and gaps in walls to flank players, kill times have never been so messed up.
As for reflection, I usually consider it an average map, and I can easily play it from either spawn. In zb it plays ok but the magnum still dominates gameplay when 1 pixel crouching on top with 2 guys guarding the hallways giving callouts.
And asylum plays fine, but the amount of situational awareness required to play zb with a magnum rivals my feelings when im playing CoD. Not that halo is anything like CoD, and even zb kill times are not close to CoD, its just that with the magnums RoF, you have to be strafing THE WHOLE GAME even when no one is around you but team mates. Stand still for one second and you get double magnumed in the blink of an eye. And I do mean that literally.
i think the 85B is ok, with the ZB the magnum is the weapon that everyone uses, it’s not fun anymore, im a good player, but what makes different this Halo from Halo 3, Halo 2: it’s the bloom, in Halo 3 was pure skill with the BR, in Halo Reach you have to combine skills with a lot of weapons, (not just 2: BR, sniper) with stategy, it’s not about lucky shoots, pace shoots requires skill + good aim = perfection + stategy = the best multiplayer ever.
with the ZB is another Halo 3…
i’m fan of Halo since Halo CE, but, What will be Halo Reach/4? another Halo 3? the changes were the best for Halo (bloom, weapons, maps, armor habilities) cuz refreshes the franchise, and yet it feels like Halo.
“… you have to be strafing THE WHOLE GAME even when no one is around you but team mates. Stand still for one second and you get double magnumed in the blink of an eye. And I do mean that literally.”
You should focus on me stressing kill times and RoF, not “standing still”, “standing still” can just as easily mean walking in a group in a straight line, or going for a powerweapon. You shouldnt have to ghandi hop and strafe the whole game to be safe. That is my point.
Thank you for having some common sense, we need more forum goers like you.
I do acknowledge that bloom can be random, but to the people that say “bloom ruins every encounter with randomness, and I always die because bloom is random” are a bit confused. If you lose every dmr battle because you spam and die, and you think you are getting “out spammed” you should try pacing. Its worked pretty well for me. And if you ask any 1% onyx if they spam, they will most likely reply: "yes, but only at the appropriate range, which is short to mid (about 15m). If you spam at mid range, you will die."
> @ramona vF:
>
> Thank you for having some common sense, we need more forum goers like you.
>
> I do acknowledge that bloom can be random, but to the people that say “bloom ruins every encounter with randomness, and I always die because bloom is random” are a bit confused. If you lose every dmr battle because you spam and die, and you think you are getting “out spammed” you should try pacing. Its worked pretty well for me. And if you ask any 1% onyx if they spam, they will most likely reply: "yes, but only at the appropriate range, which is short to mid (about 15m). If you spam at mid range, you will die."
For every 1 kill that bloom screwed me with, there were 9 kills where my pacing won me the gunfight.
Who would’ve thought someone else had common sense on the forums? I was beginning to think I was the only one…
> > > Stand still
> >
> > Well there’s your problem.
>
> Stand still for one second
> “standing still” can just as easily mean walking in a group in a straight line
> You shouldnt have to ghandi hop and strafe the whole game to be safe. That is my point.
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Well, there’s your problems.
Currently, the pistol destroys the DMR. There is no reason to use it, aside from it being more reliable. The pistol should be a pick up or made into a 5 shot.
I love the pistols fast kill-time, but it feels just as if not more random than halo 3 spread.
