> I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
All they need to do in Time Glitch’s thread is explain why they restricted and limited Custom Game options so much. Over 1000 people wonder why.
What if I told you… There was a time where even David Ellis posted on the forums.
Of course, the whole forums were a lot better then.
> One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
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> I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
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> The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
But do you know full well? Not once have I seen 343 say, okay, we’re working on ALL problems. It seems they’ve been too busy with their Crimson Map pack to fix some really bad issues in the game. Oh boy, the Crimson map pack fiasco was a disaster too.
For all the complaining, praising, and general shenanigans that occurs on these forums, I’d have thought I’d have walked into some reality t.v. show.
Halo 4 is fine. It has been fine, and it will remain fine
> > One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
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> > I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
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> > The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
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> But do you know full well? Not once have I seen 343 say, okay, we’re working on ALL problems. It seems they’ve been too busy with their Crimson Map pack to fix some really bad issues in the game. Oh boy, the Crimson map pack fiasco was a disaster too.
I was under the impression that the map pack was more Microsoft’s fault than 343. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure 343 doesn’t actually put up their Xbox Live stuff for download.
Anyway, yes, I know. People pointed out glitches and bugs when the game first came out; those were quickly fixed. We had that TU a little bit back, the announcement of which included announcing another TU, which will possibly be bigger/more noticeable. They’ve also stated that they’ve been working on the File Share.
> > I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
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> All they need to do in Time Glitch’s thread is explain why they restricted and limited Custom Game options so much. Over 1000 people wonder why.
Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
Let me put it like this Halo 4 = brand new car. If you had problems with this car the 1st day what would you do? I would try to get them to fix the problems immediately or return the car for a car in perfect/excellent condition. Halo’s radio(killcams) is shorting out the windows dont work properly they only roll down 1 inch(fileshare) and many other problems. When I call to ask about getting things fixed I’m either completely ignored or given a vague answer like “We might be able to fix that in sometime.” How long is sometime 1 month to 2years? I think most companies would try to fix the problems or get me a new car or they will have a bad reputation and nobody will want to buy their product. Which is how I fell about any new DLC/Halo 5 +6
A car with faulty things could probably get you killed. One does not simply buy a video game and expect it to have no bugs or problems.
And isn’t there a Q&A likely coming January?
> Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
Children also tend to act out when they don’t get the amount of attention they need. If you ignore them then of course they’ll act out. Thus far that seems to be 343is modus operandi.
> > Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
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> Children also tend to act out when they don’t get the amount of attention they need. If you ignore them then of course they’ll act out. Thus far that seems to be 343is modus operandi.
Perhaps. Then again, I’m fairly certain that they (most of them) aren’t children; there should be better ways to handle this kind of stuff, but the first thing they do is make a thread telling 343 how much they suck and what a terrible company they are and whatever else. Heck, when I told them the best way to approach this would be to capitalize on 343’s willingness to add in more options for CTF like dropping flag and disabling pistol, in a respectful, professional way, I was basically told “NO, THEY MESSED UP AND DESERVE TO BE RAGED AT!”.
But whatever. As long as 343 gives people what they’ve been asking for, there’s no reason to complain.
> A car with faulty things could probably get you killed. One does not simply buy a video game and expect it to have no bugs or problems.
> And isn’t there a Q&A likely coming January?
I didn’t expect it to have no bugs but to have so many that I cannot keep track of them unless I make a list and save it somewhere is not acceptable. The more I think about it this looks like Microsoft forced these guys to release the game so early to compete with COD and now we are basically play testing for these guys and pointing out so many bugs. I’m not sure is there a Q&A coming out? What/how many questions will they be addressing? Will we know what problems they are aware of? Which will take priority over others. And yes problems with a car can get you killed but after so many years of making cars don’t you think they can put a working radio in. This is what tests are for. It’s obvious some products get better testing and others get rushed out and may hurt people/the companys rep
They still come here and don’t comment. Those haters your talking about are telling the truth halo 4 does indeed suck and 343i are leaning to the “classic arena style halo 1-2-3 gameplay” in halo 5 idea and not “codified reach gameplay”
> > > One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
> > >
> > > I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
> > >
> > > The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
> >
> > But do you know full well? Not once have I seen 343 say, okay, we’re working on ALL problems. It seems they’ve been too busy with their Crimson Map pack to fix some really bad issues in the game. Oh boy, the Crimson map pack fiasco was a disaster too.
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> I was under the impression that the map pack was more Microsoft’s fault than 343. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure 343 doesn’t actually put up their Xbox Live stuff for download.
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> Anyway, yes, I know. People pointed out glitches and bugs when the game first came out; those were quickly fixed. We had that TU a little bit back, the announcement of which included announcing another TU, which will possibly be bigger/more noticeable. They’ve also stated that they’ve been working on the File Share.
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> > > I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
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> > All they need to do in Time Glitch’s thread is explain why they restricted and limited Custom Game options so much. Over 1000 people wonder why.
>
> Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
Oh I know, I never said it was 343’s fault. Just that it was a disaster. I do think however 343 is trying to pass it off as a trial, which is just ridiculous.
any yet Frankie posts on sites like Neogaf (Halogaf) and talks there.
343 just doesn’t care about the community in reality, they don’t care about what we have to say.
If I worked at 343i, I would be issuing a royal two finger salute to a lot of people who call themselves “fans”. More like enemies… Good for 343i… Most of these people suck!!!
> One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
I’m with you there. The Halo “community” has always been one of the most obnoxious around. In all my time reading the H2, 3, Reach and H4 forums, I can’t say I saw anything I would call awesome.
ITT: Failing to take into account that most of those games were already released (and likely had some degree of backlash) while Halo 4 is a newer release.
But Black Ops 2 is also a newer release and yet there seems to be less complaints… because they are content, they got what they wanted.
You know Microsoft’s new game Wordament? bs angel is #2 for the day out of everyone! Thought that was interesting.
Okay, the Halo Bulletins totally ignore what’s going on in these forums. Completely.
The BWU’s acknowledged what was going on. When you read a BWU, you kind of had a general idea of what the hot threads were on B.Net.
343 employees only reply in NeoGaf.
I remember many, many a time on Bungie seeing that bright golden septagon denoting a Bungie employee reply. They still reply over there. Bungie employees don’t hide from their forums. While they use volunteer mods like here, their actual employees mod their forums too. You talk too much smack at Bungie and you will hear from Achronos.
So, it’s no defense that 343 employees don’t reply here because the members here are too rough, etc. It’s their forum, they’re in charge, grab that ban hammer and let that baby swing if it needs to. Bungie never second guessed that stuff.
And the 343 employees keeping us posted on Twitter? Well, David Ellis did a really good job. Now all I get from any of them is their vacation plans.
> You know Microsoft’s new game Wordament? bs angel is #2 for the day out of everyone! Thought that was interesting.
Big deal, they’re all on vacation…
People need to get it out of their heads that 343 and Microsoft are two separate entities because they are NOT.
No, 343 is literally as old as Microsoft itself as they were created by Microsoft. They are a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft created by Microsoft in 2007. They are literally some Microsoft employees that got sent off to work in their own building under a different DBA. They code the game and make all the talk show appearances, Microsoft calls all the shots.
At the very least, they have had five years to make Halo 4.
But Microsoft doesn’t want to spend any more money than it has to. Employees cost money and cut into the bottom line.
When they new they were going to make Halo 4 they waited too long to hire all the rest of the coders, designers, and programmers they needed so they could keep their pay roll as low as possible as long as possible to keep their over head as low as possible as long as possible to maximize their profit margin.
Although they could have started programming Halo 4 in 2007, they waited until the last possible second to hire all the designers, programmers, and coders they needed.
This caused two problems that magnified each other. They didn’t give their staff enough time to familiarize themselves with one another, or the project.
Their lack of time was a self induced gunshot to the foot before the big race because they didn’t want to spend the money to do it right. If they had spent the money to hire everyone they needed sooner this wouldn’t have been an issue.
Remember that vidoc where they showed all the drama and stress of bringing in all those hundreds of people in to that big room to get to know each other and get started on Halo 4? That was a totally artificial and self induced crisis because they were too cheap to hire those people a year earlier like they should have.
They knowingly tried to roll the hard six to maximize profits purposely waiting until the last second to hire everyone they needed just knowing they’d manage to crunch it out in time, but instead they rolled snake eyes and failed. But the consumers ended up being the losers.
And their issues only snowballed from there.
343 is totally disconnected from the community.
There are numerous things we could do in Halo 3 that we cannot do in Halo 4. That’s the wrong answer. Technology is getting better as time goes by, games should offer more, and not less as new games in a series are released.
343 slapped together an incomplete game to rush something on the shelf for the holidays.
The game shipped with all this stuff broken:
- No website based file share
- No website based video rendering
- Highly limited console based file share
- No theater for campaign or SpOps
- Limited customs options
- No private community support
All of 343’s issues are self induced, and preventable, and all boil down to more money should have been spent sooner.