> > > > > I have to disagree with you then. What you’re saying is basically it’s a bad idea because people will disagree with it. The thing is, at the very least they’re offering us reasoning and insight. Acknowledgement.
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact, it just makes me respect Bungie even more because of it. They aren’t acting as if they’re high and mighty developers, whose word is written in stone. Too good to have a nice little chat with their consumer base.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bungie had the guts to say what they did, why they did it. Directly. Not beating around the bush like 343 has, with this Custom Games fiasco.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for my bad quote.
> > > >
> > > > No, they aren’t afraid of people disagreeing. They know people disagree. They read it every day. But, there is no point to engage on a one on one discussion if it won’t lead to anything. It just would go on for pages.
> > > >
> > > > Bungie stopped doing it, because it wasn’t constructive. It’s better to learn from the forums, and summarize to everyone. Rather than debating and justifying to every person’s complaint.
> > > > Seems like a rather poor excuse to not interact with your fanbase…especially over problems they have with your product. I mean if they really don’t want to interact with the fans because we are too mean, shut down the forums and be done with it.
> > >
> > > They do use the forums though. They read it. You just aren’t going to probably get a personal reply.
> > >
> > > You haven’t been on these forums this whole time waiting for them, have you?
> > >
> > > No, you’ve been on here because its fun to talk about Halo 4.]
> >
> > I get more enjoyment talking about why I don’t care for Halo 4 to be honest. And the point still stands that their relationship with the fanbase is terrible. They spend too much time on sites like NeoGaf and Twitter instead of interacting with the fans here. <mark>They don’t have to respond to every thread, but they should make their presence known every now and then.</mark>
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> They obviously read, and they try their best to summarize for the bulletin.
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> I mean, you know they read it.
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> I don’t know what to tell you then. They read your suggestions, <mark>I wouldn’t get so caught up in them personally responding to you.</mark>
Read the statement I highlighted of yours and then read the statement of mine I highlighted. I don’t need personal representation, I just wish they would be more “personal” In responding to the fanbase. Thus far the bulletins have only been marginally good at doing that. You remember when people were upset about the Standalone War Games Map Pass and how long that took to be resolved?
This is something that annoys me also, however i don’t blame 343i. I could be wrong, but i would have thought its safe to say they’re on a rather tight leash regarding what they are or aren’t allowed to do/say, courtesy of Microsoft.
Of course they read a lot of these threads, how could they not, and if i’m right it must actually really suck for them not being able to reply to us. I know if i was in their shoes i’d hate it lol
Would it be so hard to tell your fans who supported you by buying the game when some major problems will be fixed. For all I know right now these guys don’t know that killcams still don’t work properly. Or maybe they know since the killcams have been removed from MM. What about their great idea to lock certain specializations and have a requirement to unlock them that doesn’t even work. I feel bad for the people who payed for this game and can’t even level up. A apology would be nice for that. Also the people who bought the maps and then come to find out they aren’t that great and how other people are getting a 14 day free trial. They have kind of explained the fileshare but what I’m wondering is why it has taken 2months to get something that worked pretty good in the 2 previous games. Absent playlists that were the norm in other games(FFA/Doubles). These are just things off the top of my head I’m sure I can think of more or other people have more problems. Oh just remembered how foreign players have no option for good connection to people in their country. Does it matter how we ask these things. Sure some people may be rude but I’m sure some have asked nicely with the same outcome. No reply. Heh another problem no way to turn off instant respawn in custom games although there is a option to set respawn to x seconds.
> > > > > Seems like a rather poor excuse to not interact with your fanbase…especially over problems they have with your product. I mean if they really don’t want to interact with the fans because we are too mean, shut down the forums and be done with it.
> > > >
> > > > They do use the forums though. They read it. You just aren’t going to probably get a personal reply.
> > > >
> > > > You haven’t been on these forums this whole time waiting for them, have you?
> > > >
> > > > No, you’ve been on here because its fun to talk about Halo 4.]
> > >
> > > I get more enjoyment talking about why I don’t care for Halo 4 to be honest. And the point still stands that their relationship with the fanbase is terrible. They spend too much time on sites like NeoGaf and Twitter instead of interacting with the fans here. <mark>They don’t have to respond to every thread, but they should make their presence known every now and then.</mark>
> >
> > They obviously read, and they try their best to summarize for the bulletin.
> >
> > I mean, you know they read it.
> >
> > I don’t know what to tell you then. They read your suggestions, <mark>I wouldn’t get so caught up in them personally responding to you.</mark>
>
> Read the statement I highlighted of yours and then read the statement of mine I highlighted. I don’t need personal representation, I just wish they would be more “personal” In responding to the fanbase. Thus far the bulletins have only been marginally good at doing that. You remember when people were upset about the Standalone War Games Map Pass and how long that took to be resolved?
I don’t understand what you are requesting of them. An example might be good. And if they read this, they might try it.
> > > > > > I have to disagree with you then. What you’re saying is basically it’s a bad idea because people will disagree with it. The thing is, at the very least they’re offering us reasoning and insight. Acknowledgement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact, it just makes me respect Bungie even more because of it. They aren’t acting as if they’re high and mighty developers, whose word is written in stone. Too good to have a nice little chat with their consumer base.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bungie had the guts to say what they did, why they did it. Directly. Not beating around the bush like 343 has, with this Custom Games fiasco.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for my bad quote.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they aren’t afraid of people disagreeing. They know people disagree. They read it every day. But, there is no point to engage on a one on one discussion if it won’t lead to anything. It just would go on for pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bungie stopped doing it, because it wasn’t constructive. It’s better to learn from the forums, and summarize to everyone. Rather than debating and justifying to every person’s complaint.
> > > >
> > > > They don’t need to respond to every little thing. It’s just that when a company takes the time to actually individually answer some of your questions, you don’t feel as if your fighting a money hungry machine.
> > > >
> > > > As for summarizing, why not do both?
> I don’t understand what you are requesting of them. An example might be good. And if they read this, they might try it.
A post in very important threads with many views every now and then. Time Glitch’s Custom Game thread would be a decent start.
One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
> > I don’t understand what you are requesting of them. An example might be good. And if they read this, they might try it.
>
> A post in very important threads with many views every now and then. Time Glitch’s Custom Game thread would be a decent start.
I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
> > I don’t understand what you are requesting of them. An example might be good. And if they read this, they might try it.
>
> A post in very important threads with many views every now and then. Time Glitch’s Custom Game thread would be a decent start.
I think that’s a good suggestion. If they aren’t talking about it in the bulletin.
> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you then. What you’re saying is basically it’s a bad idea because people will disagree with it. The thing is, at the very least they’re offering us reasoning and insight. Acknowledgement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact, it just makes me respect Bungie even more because of it. They aren’t acting as if they’re high and mighty developers, whose word is written in stone. Too good to have a nice little chat with their consumer base.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bungie had the guts to say what they did, why they did it. Directly. Not beating around the bush like 343 has, with this Custom Games fiasco.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agreed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for my bad quote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, they aren’t afraid of people disagreeing. They know people disagree. They read it every day. But, there is no point to engage on a one on one discussion if it won’t lead to anything. It just would go on for pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bungie stopped doing it, because it wasn’t constructive. It’s better to learn from the forums, and summarize to everyone. Rather than debating and justifying to every person’s complaint.
> > > > >
> > > > > They don’t need to respond to every little thing. It’s just that when a company takes the time to actually individually answer some of your questions, you don’t feel as if your fighting a money hungry machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for summarizing, why not do both?
> > > >
> > > > I just agreed with Cobra above. And I see your point.
> > > >
> > > > Just thinking back to the Bungie.net days, responding in the threads might lead to being stuck in a debate that they may be unable to leave.
> I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
All they need to do in Time Glitch’s thread is explain why they restricted and limited Custom Game options so much. Over 1000 people wonder why.
What if I told you… There was a time where even David Ellis posted on the forums.
Of course, the whole forums were a lot better then.
> One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
>
> I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
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> The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
But do you know full well? Not once have I seen 343 say, okay, we’re working on ALL problems. It seems they’ve been too busy with their Crimson Map pack to fix some really bad issues in the game. Oh boy, the Crimson map pack fiasco was a disaster too.
For all the complaining, praising, and general shenanigans that occurs on these forums, I’d have thought I’d have walked into some reality t.v. show.
Halo 4 is fine. It has been fine, and it will remain fine
> > One guy here said that Halo had an awesome community once, and I literally laughed.
> >
> > I’m perfectly fine with not knowing every exact detail of what they’re doing, knowing full well that they are, in fact, listening and working on issues that the community has pointed out and, like was said before, they’ve encouraged us to point out.
> >
> > The people who make “They’re not listening” or “343 talk to us or you suck” threads and posts need to get over it.
>
> But do you know full well? Not once have I seen 343 say, okay, we’re working on ALL problems. It seems they’ve been too busy with their Crimson Map pack to fix some really bad issues in the game. Oh boy, the Crimson map pack fiasco was a disaster too.
I was under the impression that the map pack was more Microsoft’s fault than 343. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure 343 doesn’t actually put up their Xbox Live stuff for download.
Anyway, yes, I know. People pointed out glitches and bugs when the game first came out; those were quickly fixed. We had that TU a little bit back, the announcement of which included announcing another TU, which will possibly be bigger/more noticeable. They’ve also stated that they’ve been working on the File Share.
> > I doubt they’d respond to that one; it’s the epitome of the worst this community has to offer.
>
> All they need to do in Time Glitch’s thread is explain why they restricted and limited Custom Game options so much. Over 1000 people wonder why.
Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
Let me put it like this Halo 4 = brand new car. If you had problems with this car the 1st day what would you do? I would try to get them to fix the problems immediately or return the car for a car in perfect/excellent condition. Halo’s radio(killcams) is shorting out the windows dont work properly they only roll down 1 inch(fileshare) and many other problems. When I call to ask about getting things fixed I’m either completely ignored or given a vague answer like “We might be able to fix that in sometime.” How long is sometime 1 month to 2years? I think most companies would try to fix the problems or get me a new car or they will have a bad reputation and nobody will want to buy their product. Which is how I fell about any new DLC/Halo 5 +6
A car with faulty things could probably get you killed. One does not simply buy a video game and expect it to have no bugs or problems.
And isn’t there a Q&A likely coming January?
> Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
Children also tend to act out when they don’t get the amount of attention they need. If you ignore them then of course they’ll act out. Thus far that seems to be 343is modus operandi.
> > Maybe respond on a bulletin or something, but to that thread in particular? No, that’s how children get spoiled, when the adult gives them stuff because they act like brats. The whole thing is a testament to how wrong this community is; why be constructive when you can rage and insult?
>
> Children also tend to act out when they don’t get the amount of attention they need. If you ignore them then of course they’ll act out. Thus far that seems to be 343is modus operandi.
Perhaps. Then again, I’m fairly certain that they (most of them) aren’t children; there should be better ways to handle this kind of stuff, but the first thing they do is make a thread telling 343 how much they suck and what a terrible company they are and whatever else. Heck, when I told them the best way to approach this would be to capitalize on 343’s willingness to add in more options for CTF like dropping flag and disabling pistol, in a respectful, professional way, I was basically told “NO, THEY MESSED UP AND DESERVE TO BE RAGED AT!”.
But whatever. As long as 343 gives people what they’ve been asking for, there’s no reason to complain.
> A car with faulty things could probably get you killed. One does not simply buy a video game and expect it to have no bugs or problems.
> And isn’t there a Q&A likely coming January?
I didn’t expect it to have no bugs but to have so many that I cannot keep track of them unless I make a list and save it somewhere is not acceptable. The more I think about it this looks like Microsoft forced these guys to release the game so early to compete with COD and now we are basically play testing for these guys and pointing out so many bugs. I’m not sure is there a Q&A coming out? What/how many questions will they be addressing? Will we know what problems they are aware of? Which will take priority over others. And yes problems with a car can get you killed but after so many years of making cars don’t you think they can put a working radio in. This is what tests are for. It’s obvious some products get better testing and others get rushed out and may hurt people/the companys rep