Well at least we will have Halo MCC to rely on! 
Peace! 
That reminds me of few years ago if you remember when the Coca Cola Company came out with “NEW COKE” people complained about how crappy the “New Coke” tasted. Well guess what The Coca Cola Company dropped the “NEW COKE” and went back to the Original Coke. This is the version that everyone loves and the sells of the Original Coke increased!
Maybe 343i can learn this lesson from the Coca Cola Company.
This is what 343i has to do. They have to go back to the ways of the Original Halo Days! 343i to rethink what they are doing to the Halo Franchaise.
Bottom line 343i has to hire people that love the Halo Franchaise. Not some rummy’s that is working for 343i just to want to make a game then leave. That ain’t gonna cut it!! 343i needs people that will back the game with all their heart and soul.
Otherwise Halo Infinite will be one big fail and that is a fact!
Just my 2 cents!
Peace!
Cod mw2! If it’s as good as the first one you won’t see me on halo anymore 
Stevia was, and still is, bloody disgusting. Felt like drinking cough medicine.
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Ngl Halo Infinite kinda just well, sucks. It’s gameplay is bad, story is subpar, and the armor customization system is easily the worst one in all of Halo thus far.
“bu-bu-but halo 5 only had helmet and preset armor customization”
Yea, and it also allowed you to unlock everything in the entire game for basically free. REQ packs weren’t expensive, and you could easily get really 2-3 cool things just by spending $3, vs spending $7-$10 for a singular piece of armor in a rotating shop, and you’re forced to buy that armor now because you’ll likely never see it again.
The whole UI for Infinite is terrible as well. Honestly? I would’ve gotten that Xbox and went straight to Halo 5. You’d absolutely love it, especially now, compared to Halo Infinite.
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Blockquote [You know what’s frustrating?]
The new shop prices?
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lol SHUSH, YOU’RE GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE!
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I’d say you summed it up very well with that analogy, even if tuna and sardine flavoured ice cream are never going to be real (right? 
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The analogy I like to use is this
Imagine you are going to your favorite Chinese Restaurant.
You are in the mood for Shrimp Lo Mein.
You order Shrimp Lo Mein.
Eventually you receive your meal and you instead get a McDonalds Fillet-o-fish.
Angered, you question the kitchen staff and reqeust to see the owner.
The ownership has changed hands and they refuse to listen to you.
The owner’s response to your concern?
“Whaddya complainin’ about? You got seafood. You got carbs. You got your grease. What is the big deal bub?”
And then they begin to gaslight you by saying that it is technically what you ordered.
No you cannot get a refund.
Halo 4 everyone.
So the next day you decide to go to KFC.
You order the standard bucket of chicken meal, with a side of biscuit, and fries.
What you get instead is a McChicken sandwich with a side of chips.
Insulted, you go to meet with kitchen staff.
And you find that the same guy who took over the chinese food place is now running the KFC !!!
“Oh its you, the complainer. HEY EVERYONE, THIS MOOK LIKES TO WHINE AND CRY ABOUT GETTIN’ GOOD FOOD! What’s your big problem now bub?”
You show the meal you received and show them what your receipt called for.
“Ah geez, sorry pal. I see that you were supposed to get the bucket.”
And the guy proceeds to drop off a bucket at your table . . . . a bucket of six more McChickens.
Frustrated again, you leave a bad review again and storm out of the establishment.
Halo 5 Gorbians everyone.
And now you are craving McDonalds.
So you go to McDonalds and order a Big Mac.
And whaddya know it, that GUY IS THE OWNER OF THE MCDONALDS TOO!
Just out of curiosity, you order a Big Mac.
And oddly enough, you receive a Big Mac at your table . . . . only it is cut into 1/8th.
When you ask the manager what is going on, he then says this.
“Oh that was the first part. To get the rest, you gotta wait and pay up more money bub. Quality food comes in small proportions, haven’t you seen the high quality style of food from France? Enjoy your meal . . . . . whaddya mean you want the full burger? You haven’t paid the full price, so why should I give you the other slices of the Big Mac Pie?”
Halo Infinite.
Point is, we wanted something specific.
Something easy AND something that was expected of the establishment in question.
Chinese food places serve tasty noodles
KFC serves buckets of fried chicken
McDonalds serves Big Macs
343 Industries was put together for the SOLE PURPOSE of making Halo games.
And yet, 343 has failed three times outta three to give their customers what we want.
Customer satisfaction is at an all time low.
And we get gaslighted or ignored entirely.
And they wonder why their ratings and playercounts keep dropping lower.
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Agreed on both points. Infinite feels like their first halo game…despite it being their third original game and they’ve been in charge for a decade. At worst, it should have been what halo 5 was.
The bungie games kept adding and adding and adding, but with 343 they love to replace things with whats trending, or just not include things at all. People can argue about reach’s design decisions, but content wise it was packed to the brim with modes, maps, and features.
I mean, all we hear about is co-op and forge…where’s firefight?
I dont think the trend chasing would be as hated if they just included what we had in the past first. Heck, Firefight was just a knockoff of Gears of War’s horde mode as it was a popular trend at the time, but it got the halo spin and didn’t come at the cost of other features.
And it got implemented well instead of some buggy, half-baked knockoff so they could go “we have this too!”.
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Honestly this is a fair analogy.
I rather liked Halo 4, but the whole time even during its best moments it rarely felt like Halo. I still enjoyed most of the campaign for its story, but actually playing it was a huge mixed bag. I have not played 5, and likely never will unless they put it on MCC or something so I don’t need to pay for it, but the story looks passionately frustrating.
Meanwhile with Infinite, I rather liked nearly everything. It’s not Bungie Halo, but it’ still feels like Halo in its own way. But even tho I liked almost everything, there isn’t enough content for that to be a meaningful statement. And the problems I do have are pretty huge red flags to say the very least.
Like if this game was content complete at launch and all we had to wait on was bonus content, it would be amazing. Or failing that, if they just slapped an “Early Access” sticker on the front it would still suck but at least it would be up front that the rest of the Halo game is still in development.
Instead we have apologies, regular visits from the glitch gremlin, stuff that straight up doesn’t work, and a pocket full of content.
The worst bit for me personally is I already finished my challenges for this week. And I still wanna play more. But there’s nothing to do, I did the one thing there was to do already and now that it’s done it’s like “What now?”
And no, the answer is not ranked for me because ranked was never my thing- but also and especially because apparently Infinite’s ranked has its own problems to boot from what I’ve heard.
and this wasn’t the specific point you were making, but I just wanted to verify that Firefight was in fact dope and I want it in Infinite.
To summarize it simply put, it is Brian Reed’s power-fantasy OCs going on an adventure to “Hunt Down” Master Chief in a failed dual-perspective narrative because the script was changed to something else during development while the Marketing Team still worked with the OG script.
The story itself is summarized as -
“Master Chief learns that his bestie is not really dead but is alive somewhere so he goes AWOL, so my three Spartan OCs are joined by Buck (my FAVORITE character because NATHAN FILLION) in order to go hunt them down. I will then fill the game with needless chapters in order to show how awesome my OCs are and how much cooler they are than the actual series protagonist WHILE also saving the Protagonist. Also Arbiter is there for some reason because I wanted even more fanservice. OH and Cortana is EVIL now because I think that would be an edgy twist that nobody would expect (because it is an overdone trope for A.I.s to turn against their masters and Bungie knew better than to do that in the first place, while not to mention it is breaking her character needlessly when Jul 'Mdama is already a good antagonist.)”
Out of the FIFTEEN chapters in the game, you play as Blue Team only THREE TIMES
THAT IS 1/5 OF THE GAME YOU ARE PLAYING AS THE MAIN SERIES STAR!
To put that in perspective, that would be like playing as Master Chief for only the Earth missions of Halo 2 and then playing the rest of the game as Arbiter and then hearing dialogue DESCRIBING what Chief is doing off-screen so that his side-plot can meet up with Arby’s plot and then reach the same conclusion as before.
Halo 5 was a Mess.
And honestly, the original script was better.
EDIT -
Also, it is not going to be added to MCC.
So your best bet to getting it somewhat free would be to get Gamepass and then you have access to hundreds of games; Halo 5 Gorbians included.
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Well considering you didnt have to deal with the launch pains of halo2, mcc and halo 5
Plus the entire life cycle of halo 4.
Id say you dont get to say you are left out haha.
We aee all waiting for features. New players and vets alike.
Leat you havent been waiting the better part of a decade for infinite to drop.
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Yeah I at least knew the general stuff and watched the cutscenes online in preperation for Infinite. Not a lot of it stuck but it kinda sucked, and Cortana being evil could have been cool if the story logically led that way but it felt really sudden and forced.
If you know the lore. Cortana turning evil has been speculated on and a logical narrative beat since 2004.
True but they decided against it. Going back towards that could have worked maybe, but not the way they did it. If nothing else I’m at least glad Infinite didn’t pretend it didn’t happen or retcon it, that would have been cowardly.
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That was the beauty of Bungie’s games.
Halo Reach → Halo CE → Halo 2 → Halo 3: ODST → Halo 3 = the time span of ONE YEAR
Halo 4 → Halo 5 → Halo Infinite = the time span of SIX YEARS with a two year gap between them.
The classic novels and comics were just extra universe fluff to give you more to chew on.
343’s Books and Comics are ESSENTIAL to understanding the games now, since each of their mainline games take place two years apart from one another instead of picking up nearly-directly where another left off.
You play Bungie’s games, you know all you need to know to understand and enjoy the story.
You play 343’s games, you understand only 10% of what is going on.
FUN FACT
Halo CE was originally going to be 25 missions in the earlier drafts of the Microsoft-Era scripts.
But it was cut down to 10.
In the earlier draft, she was going to go insane and betray Humanity. Hence why the mission titled “Two Betrayals” was a thing; since originally it was about Spark betraying you and then Cortana also betraying you.
Then in Halo 2 they teased it with Cortana cooperating with The Gravemind, only for that to end up as a Red Herring in Halo 3’s finality of the storyline.
Bungie realized that “A.I. go rogue, betray original creators, and go brrrrrr” was an overdone and expected trope that had been done in sci-fi since A.I.s became a thing.
- Hal 9000
- WOPR
- Master Control Program
- V’Ger
- The Matrix Machines
- Skynet
- Motherbrain
- Other Motherbrain
- SHODAN
By not doing the trope, they ended up with a more compelling narrative as people expected her to go rogue but ended up NOT going rogue despite everything that could have made Cortana go loopy.
Again, Brian Reed doesn’t know what he is doing. Because learning about ancient and neigh-infinite knowledge didn’t make her go mad, the Flood corruption didn’t do it in Halo 3, and Rampancy just made her fall apart rather than traitorous.
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo
Contact with The Domain flipped the psychotic malignant narcissist megalomaniac dictator switch.
All because Brian Reed likes to kill off antagonists at the start of the next story arc and then force in a new bad guy despite all the investment and showboating the current antagonist got.
- Didact gets killed off in a comic book after being set up to return in a later game.
- Jul 'Mdama gets Spartan-Ops, Comics, and Novels to flesh out his character and garnish a following of fans because he was actually well written; only to die in the first 10 minutes of Halo 5 rather than later on in the Battle of Sunion.
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Agreed, I enjoy the extra lore with the Bungie games and all- I just reecently started reading The Fall of Reach and it’s amazing- but you don’t need that to get the game.
In 4, I don’t think I’d understand literally any of it without the might of YouTube lore videos.
At least Infinite is mostly coherent and self contained… mostly. But even Infinite has tons of lead up that doesn’t happen in the game itself. You don’t know who The Banished are without knowing about either Halo Wars 2 or the origin comics for Atriox. You don’t know why Chief knows about and is already fighting The Banished before Infinite without that one book they came out with. We don’t even know what happened to The Created, which will also likely just be explained in a book or a comic or something. AN AI UPRISING HAPPENED AND WE’RE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT THAT JUST BLEW OVER NO PROBLEM THAT EASY?!
EXACTLY MY POINT!
You can play Halo CE and fully understand what is happening.
You hear the characters reference “As for tracking us all the way from Reach” and think to yourself “What is this Reach place? A colony world? A space station? The name of a nebula where a massive battle just happened and we escaped?”
If you were curious about that, you could read Eric Nylund’s book for more details on just HOW important Reach really was.
But ultimately, is the book REQUIRED to understand the story told of Halo CE?
Nope.
The game conveys enough and the plot doesn’t involve Reach but rather had its origin point off-stage at Reach.
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