You guys need to keep complaining, and Never stop.

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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At first it was annoying, it still is kinda, but after browsing for a week, i’m beginning to see that there is something that can be learned or inspired from even the most asinine comments we all post.

For whatever reason, I was under the assumption that you guys are just a bunch of babies that can’t remove their nostalgia goggles, or trolls, or just people that hate 343 and everything they stand for, and while some of you are, I already know, most of you are going to buy Halo 5, and play it. That’s the reality of it. And even if you are complaining now, you won’t be in a few months(barring the possibility that Halo 5 has a bad launch). In a bit of rage, I wanted to find some reasons to discredit all your “OG trilogy glorification”, and I did. Quite a lot. When I looked through old threads all over the internet, people complained before Halo 2’s launch, and Halo 3’s, a lot of people -Yoinking!- HATED ODST, and Reach.
There’s always people that make the worst of every little detail they don’t like, and that’s a good thing. It’s good that you have the power to do that. Even through your nostalgia, your mistrust of 343’s capabilities, discomfort with the visual design, or whatever your feelings are, they are valid feelings.

To play or not to play, that is the question.
Personally, I will. The H5;G beta was the most fun i’ve ever had playing a Halo game, and I’ve been around since Halo 3, but I started in CE on PC. The beta was the first time I ever felt like losing really bothered me, and winning really felt like winning, it was the first time I’d been visibly able to see myself getting better at a Halo game and it felt damn good. It was the first time I’d ever gotten into a full party, communicated and played as a unit with others; the first time I’d ever won or lost as a team, instead of an individual. It even introduced me to my new best friend, and i’m sure we will be playing a lot of Halo 5 together. Halo has been my favorite game franchise long before then, but it’s these experiences that make the games great to us, not the game itself. In spite of it’s flaws, I had fun playing Halo 4. In spite of all the Halo’s flaws, I had more fun playing them than I’ve had in any video game before or since.
So, even if you don’t like what 343 is doing, even if Halo 5 has flaws, I suggest you keep playing. You are not immune to new experiences, and keep complaining, because our voices do actually reach the devs, believe it or not.

That’s all I have to say. You guys are my community and even though it bothers me to see you all in such a tizzy, I know it’s for the better. I just wanted to express that feeling. I believe Halo 5 will be great.

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Halo 5 sucks: Graphics look older than on some 10 years ago released games, music is bad, gameplay is going worse everyday (saw that revival thing? )

343 keeps ignoring comments of the people who have been supporting the licence for so many years.
(not to mention the censorship of this site, because there is no doubt that either my post will be deleted or you topic be locked by some raging moderator)

i just saw that comment on another closed topic:
"As for the campaign, after E3 I am no longer interested. The demo looked like a typical Call of Duty reveal. And I’m not just comparing Halo to CoD to make it look bad, no, I really felt like I was watching Activision show off their next CoD game. It felt the same to me, I don’t think I can explain it better than that. And the art style looks like anything but Halo. 343 has radically changed the UNSC, Covenant, and Forerunner themes. Compare it to Reach and everything looks worse. The enemies all look worse (except the Hunters maybe), Spartan armor looks worse, Forerunner and UNSC structures look worse, the weapons look worse (emphasis on the Rocket Launcher). Halo 5 may still have a good story, but not only don’t I think it’s capable of living up to the original trilogy, ODST, and Reach, at this point that isn’t enough.At this point, if Halo 5 announces 4 player splitscreen, I will buy it. But this will most likely be my last post on the Halo forums. Halo will always be my favorite game, and I will continue to play it frequently with all my friends, so if you want to tell me to just go play the old Halo games instead, I already do. Those games were meant to have infinite replayability, they were made to last forever. Now Halo has lost its soul and it will probably never find it again. As far as I’m concerned, Master Chief and Cortana died at the end of Halo 3. This is KamikazePerro signing out "

you have no idea how i DO agree with this…

The more i see from Halo 5, the less i am wanting it (i am even thinking about selling my xboxone i bought 9 months ago) The only thing i am hoping for is a report of the title with major changes (the first of all being a new game engine… but this not going to happen… )

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(note: i have been playing Halo since the very first one)

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> Halo 5 sucks: Graphics look older than on some 10 years ago released games, music is bad, gameplay is going worse everyday (saw that revival thing? )
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> 343 keeps ignoring comments of the people who have been supporting the licence for so many years.
> (not to mention the censorship of this site, because there is no doubt that either my post will be deleted or you topic be locked by some raging moderator)
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> i just saw that comment on another closed topic:
> "As for the campaign, after E3 I am no longer interested. The demo looked like a typical Call of Duty reveal. And I’m not just comparing Halo to CoD to make it look bad, no, I really felt like I was watching Activision show off their next CoD game. It felt the same to me, I don’t think I can explain it better than that. And the art style looks like anything but Halo. 343 has radically changed the UNSC, Covenant, and Forerunner themes. Compare it to Reach and everything looks worse. The enemies all look worse (except the Hunters maybe), Spartan armor looks worse, Forerunner and UNSC structures look worse, the weapons look worse (emphasis on the Rocket Launcher). Halo 5 may still have a good story, but not only don’t I think it’s capable of living up to the original trilogy, ODST, and Reach, at this point that isn’t enough.At this point, if Halo 5 announces 4 player splitscreen, I will buy it. But this will most likely be my last post on the Halo forums. Halo will always be my favorite game, and I will continue to play it frequently with all my friends, so if you want to tell me to just go play the old Halo games instead, I already do. Those games were meant to have infinite replayability, they were made to last forever. Now Halo has lost its soul and it will probably never find it again. As far as I’m concerned, Master Chief and Cortana died at the end of Halo 3. This is KamikazePerro signing out "
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> you have no idea how i DO agree with this…
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> The more i see from Halo 5, the less i am wanting it (i am even thinking about selling my xboxone i bought 9 months ago) The only thing i am hoping for is a report of the title with major changes (the first of all being a new game engine… but this not going to happen… )

You are the problem. No doubt, Halo 5 will have its problems, and 343 is trying to cover up the failure of the Master Chief Collection, but voicing completely irrelevant concerns (and lets face it, completely untrue ones) about the graphics, sound and new gameplay elements is not the thing to be complaining about.

I have also been playing since Halo: CE but I embrace change. Halo 2 was my favourite Halo, but I’m excited for Halo 5: Guardians because it is moving Halo into the modern world of gaming while simultaneously reinventing the skill gap that was completely absent from Halo 4. They’re trying something new and interesting with the campaign (if you never played Star Wars: Republic Commando back in the day then you have no idea how awesome this type of campaign can be) and while they’re obviously trying to dodge questions about Firefight and Spartan Ops, but you should remember that this is a next-gen title. If you don’t have Xbox Live for your Xbone, then your Xbone is next to useless. Firefight and Spartan Ops were both mainly single player experiences, and seeing as Warzone is coming with H5, it is essentially the online version of it. If you’ll remember the Versus mode from Halo: Reach Firefight, it is essentially a massively upscaled version of that.

Summing up, yes, 343i likes making money more than they like making games, but they still are going to give the future of Halo the best shot they can, and if I say so myself, I don’t have a problem with the direction that Halo 5: Guardians is going in.

Edit: I think we should still be complaining a whole bunch about The Master Chief Collection. 343 really did try to screw us, and they want us to forget. That being said, I think Halo 5 can still be great.

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It is human nature to complain. You can’t stop it.

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It’s the same every release. I remember back on the Bungie forums all the Halo 3 hate before and after launch, that was maybe the worse it’s ever been.

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> It is human nature to complain. You can’t stop it.

Theres constructive criticism and then theres whining , which seems to be about 70% of the negative threads.

Also did you thank Obama for stealing your VCR?

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> 343 is trying to cover up the failure of the Master Chief Collection

I would argue that they’re more trying to learn from the MCC, and make amends for it. They’re actually been quite upfront that it had a staggering and troubled launch, and haven’t shyed from that revelation in the slightest, even while giving us content as compensation for inconvenience.

They’re not covering it up at all.

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> > 343 is trying to cover up the failure of the Master Chief Collection
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> I would argue that they’re more trying to learn from the MCC, and make amends for it. They’re actually been quite upfront that it had a staggering and troubled launch, and haven’t shyed from that revelation in the slightest, even while giving us content as compensation for inconvenience.
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> They’re not covering it up at all.

Exactly. They even announced that all future Halo games will have some type of beta.

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the communities complaints where diffrent back then.
complaints were about how could X be better or why do we have Y when Z is alot better.

Now its been why do we need X as it serves no purpose or Y is game breaking who thought it was a good idea, and lets not forget they put Z in the game just to get the ire of the community.

The community has always been venomous but the nature of the complaints is diffrent.

bungie put things in halo that fail only in implementation
343 put things in halo doomed to fail on the moment of conception

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> > 2533274875778143;5:
> > It is human nature to complain. You can’t stop it.
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> Theres constructive criticism and then theres whining , which seems to be about 70% of the negative threads.
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> Also did you thank Obama for stealing your VCR?

Well yeah, people don’t really seem to use they’re heads these days.

Also no I did not thank him for stealing my VCR. How am I supposed to watch my tapes :frowning:

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> > > It is human nature to complain. You can’t stop it.
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> > Theres constructive criticism and then theres whining , which seems to be about 70% of the negative threads.
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> > Also did you thank Obama for stealing your VCR?
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> Well yeah, people don’t really seem to use they’re heads these days.
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> Also no I did not thank him for stealing my VCR. How am I supposed to watch my tapes :frowning:

I know right, people should criticize but do it in a constructive and non insulting manner.

Dude beta max is the way to go. VCR’s are a dead technology everybody knows that he probably did you a favor.

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> the communities complaints where diffrent back then.
> complaints were about how could X be better or why do we have Y when Z is alot better.
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> Now its been why do we need X as it serves no purpose or Y is game breaking who thought it was a good idea, and lets not forget they put Z in the game just to get the ire of the community.
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> The community has always been venomous but the nature of the complaints is diffrent.
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> bungie put things in halo that fail only in implementation
> 343 put things in halo doomed to fail on the moment of conception

I know it’s been 8 years, but that’s not the case.

Raging fanboys complaining about how the Power ups were game breaking, the graphics suck, the beta was broken, the colors were washed out, the campaign Is set pieces like cod, the FOV is terrible, bungie killed halo, this game will fail, music sucks etc etc etc. And that’s just the semi reasonable threads, it’s always a Crap fest every year. Then the community moves on.

Heck, even reach I’s being praised and its not suicide to talk about it. It’s the way of the Halo forums.

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> > 343 is trying to cover up the failure of the Master Chief Collection
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> I would argue that they’re more trying to learn from the MCC, and make amends for it. They’re actually been quite upfront that it had a staggering and troubled launch, and haven’t shyed from that revelation in the slightest, even while giving us content as compensation for inconvenience.
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> They’re not covering it up at all.

I really honestly think that they are, and here are a few reasons why.

  1. They want to maintain the illusion that Halo is still a functioning property. When they announced free compensation for players of the MCC (ODST and Remnant), they only gave it free to players who had logged in prior to December 19th. Why? Because doing so projects a false assumption that MCC was fixed by December 19th (which it obviously wasn’t). Halo, by the way, is still a functioning property, but it was heavily damaged by MCC’s launch.

  2. They want to ship Halo 5: Guardians. By telling people that MCC is fixed, it will foster a regained trust in 343i and thus move copies of H5 and drive up preorders. MCC is not fixed. Outside of North America, multiplayer doesn’t work.

  3. They want people to forget the rocky launch of MCC. 343i knows that the average gamer has a very short attention span. People have school, uni, work and social lives to keep up with, so at most, gamers will only keep on top of current news. 343i talks about Halo 5 constantly, but rarely speaks of MCC, thus shifting it further away from the minds of gamers.

  4. Moving on, and for the most part ignoring the problem, is far cheaper than fixing the problems themselves. 343i are running a masterclass in PR relations. They know that ODST and Remnant were not ample compensation for shipping a broken game, but by giving said compensation, then their PR efforts are legitimised, because they did the bare minimum to repair their relationship with the player while acting like it was a huge deal.

I would like to point out now that when Battlefield 4 launched back in 2013, DICE dropped everything to fix it. Work on Star Wars: Battlefront stopped, and all work on DLC stopped. They fixed the game, and they repaired their relationship with the players in a genuine way. Guess what? Their launch was nowhere near as bad as MCC’s, and yet 343i only set about repairing MCC with the tiny MCC team that had already been working on it.

Not only is it economically beneficial in the short term for 343i to push MCC under the bed, it is exactly what they have done. If they truly cared about MCC, it would be long fixed by now, and they would have incentivised players to return to play it. As it is, multiplayer populations fell off faster and more dramatically than they did for Halo 4, and it wasn’t because of the quality of the core game. It was because it was broken at launch, and 343 knew it. Battlefield 4, by this time in its lifecycle, had a perfectly functional game and a huge player population. You know what’s funny? Battlefield 4 has a far higher population than Halo: MCC just on the Xbox One, and Battlefield 4 has been out for more than a year longer than it, has had its population split by DLC, AND has had its sequel come out. MCC is taking the bullet so Halo can go on. 343 has forgotten about it.

I’m unhappy with 343i, but I have a very long relationship with Halo, so if Halo 5 is good, I guess I will be able to forgive them.

Edit: But I will never forget…

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There was literally a whole website dedicated to hating halo 2. (Don’t go looking, I can’t find it.) There will always be massive hate surrounding every sequel game that implements something new. Some people don’t like change.

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Posts like this, while cathartic to write, never really do much but stir the pot some more. If you’re gonna buy/play the game, enjoy it! If you’re not, enjoy your new pursuits. :slight_smile: