> If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
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> We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
> > If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
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> > We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
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> Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
They died out b/c Halo came along and nothing wanted to compete with it, not b/c the sub-genre has become stale.
> > > If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
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> > > We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
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> > Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
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> They died out b/c Halo came along and nothing wanted to compete with it, not b/c the sub-genre has become stale.
Ever heard of Quake? Unreal? Both Halo competitors. Both dead. Even on PC.
Nexuiz? A modern arena shooter that just came out and no one plays it!
> > > > If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
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> > > > We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
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> > > Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
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> > They died out b/c Halo came along and nothing wanted to compete with it, not b/c the sub-genre has become stale.
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> Ever heard of Quake? Unreal? Both Halo competitors. Both dead. Even on PC.
> Nexuiz? A modern arena shooter that just came out and no one plays it!
Nexuiz is an indie game. People don’t know it exists. Quake is still alive, on PC. I can’t speak on behalf of Unreal though.
> I’m talking about the Golden Triangle
> Halo was never truly about even spawns, power-up pick-ups, 1-50, etc.
> Halo was an arena shooter when it came out because that’s what was popular at the time. Shooters have evolved and Halo is evolving into something far better.
Just no.
If camping, waiting for armor lock spamming is the future then I don’t want to be on this planet.
> > > > If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
> > > >
> > > > We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
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> > > Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
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> > They died out b/c Halo came along and nothing wanted to compete with it, not b/c the sub-genre has become stale.
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> Ever heard of Quake? Unreal? Both Halo competitors. Both dead. Even on PC.
> Nexuiz? A modern arena shooter that just came out and no one plays it!
They don’t play it b/c they all have Halo. Plus, the fact that these games are years older than the latest Halo game. When it comes to Arena shooters, Halo is the only one that gets attention anymore b/c it’s the most popular one. Now that Halo is abandoning the arena style, I’d bet my money that we start to see more arena shooters starting to come along.
> > > > > Guns. Grenade. Melee.
> > > > > The very minimum of Halo gameplay. This is what makes Halo, Halo. As long as these three pillars are in tact, we have a Halo game.
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> > > > I’ sorry to tell you but your understanding of “the halo triangle” is very flawed,if that was the golden triangle then that would make COD, BF3, Gears and just about every other shooter a “Halo” game.
> > > > The golden triangle is much more complex then that and includes things such as everyone spawning on equal footing.
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> > > You obviously didn’t read all of my post. You have no business being here.
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> > Stopped reading right there because if you believe guns,grenade,melee make a Halo game then imo the rest wasn’t gonna be worth reading.
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> Well you made yourself look stupid then. Like I said, you don’t belong.
I just read it all and you stick with the point that as long as there are guns, grenades and melee then no matter what you do or add the golden triangle will stil be there which is not true. Many AAs break the triangle and add in extra sides, and the same goes for many of the addition being made to Halo.
Sure. Guns, grenades, and melee.
And decent movement speed and jump height.
Oh and small, fast maps.
Those things made halo fun. Idk what the “essence” of halo is, but I will say that fast gameplay on small arena-style maps made halo fun. Reach raped both of those things and made the controls feel clunky. Fix the speed and the controls and the maps and the game should be fine.
> Sure. Guns, grenades, and melee.
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> And decent movement speed and jump height.
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> Oh and small, fast maps.
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> Those things made halo fun. Idk what the “essence” of halo is, but I will say that fast gameplay on small arena-style maps made halo fun. Reach raped both of those things and made the controls feel clunky. Fix the speed and the controls and the maps and the game should be fine.
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If small arena-style maps were what made Halo Halo, then why do we get so many remakes of Blood Gulch, the most popular Halo map ever?
> If small arena-style maps were what made Halo Halo, then why do we get so many remakes of Blood Gulch, the most popular Halo map ever?
It’s not the “most popular Halo map ever” - far from it in fact. Why you insist on pulling statistics out of your -Yoink- is beyond me.
> If small arena-style maps were what made Halo Halo, then why do we get so many remakes of Blood Gulch, the most popular Halo map ever?
Blood Gulch is only the most popular b/c casual players outweigh competitive players and it’s a casual map. Everyone played BTB Heavy CTF on it back in the day, nothing else.
> I’m talking about the Golden Triangle
> Halo was never truly about even spawns, power-up pick-ups, 1-50, etc.
> Halo was an arena shooter when it came out because that’s what was popular at the time. Shooters have evolved and Halo is evolving into something far better.
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> "The Golden Triangle"
> Guns. Grenade. Melee.
> The very minimum of Halo gameplay. This is what makes Halo, Halo. As long as these three pillars are in tact, we have a Halo game. And from the looks of it, gameplay is based on the Golden Triangle.
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> Armor abilities are simply an addition to the gameplay just as power-ups and equipment were. The only difference is that you have to pick up the equipment and power-ups. But once again, that isn’t what makes Halo, Halo!
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> Call me a blind fanboy if you must. I’m not saying Halo 4 will be great. I don’t know that information. But I am saying that I am open-minded enough to give 343 a chance to show us that these new additions will work. The poele who call us “blind fanboys” are just closed-minded “veterans”
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> EDIT: Many people on this thread are missing the point entirely.
> Bungie has said many times before that during the original development process, that they based the core gameplay on the Golden Triangle. The Golden Trangle is what made Halo gameplay different than any other shooter at the time. Just because many games now use this system has nothing to do with anything.
> I’m not saying every game out there is Halo.
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> What about CoD CoD? Killstreaks and perks. tons of games have killstreaks and perks but that doesn’t make them Call of Duty. Crysis 2 for example added perks and killstreaks. But what makes Crysis Crysis is the nanosuit. As long as it has the nanosuit working how it should, it’s a Crysis game.
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> Even starts and weapon pick-ups aren’t what make Halo Halo because tons of games had that system before Halo did. The Golden Triangle of gameplay is what set Halo apart from the rest!
Agreed, and in my opinion that is were reach erred. The larger maps minimized the use of Grenades, and melee. throwing off the balance.
> Everyone played BTB Heavy CTF on it back in the day, nothing else.
Guilty as charged. ^_^.
> I’m talking about the Golden Triangle
> Halo was never truly about even spawns, power-up pick-ups, 1-50, etc.
> Halo was an arena shooter when it came out because that’s what was popular at the time. Shooters have evolved and Halo is evolving into something far better.
>
> "The Golden Triangle"
> Guns. Grenade. Melee.
> The very minimum of Halo gameplay. This is what makes Halo, Halo. As long as these three pillars are in tact, we have a Halo game. And from the looks of it, gameplay is based on the Golden Triangle.
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> Armor abilities are simply an addition to the gameplay just as power-ups and equipment were. The only difference is that you have to pick up the equipment and power-ups. But once again, that isn’t what makes Halo, Halo!
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> Call me a blind fanboy if you must. I’m not saying Halo 4 will be great. I don’t know that information. But I am saying that I am open-minded enough to give 343 a chance to show us that these new additions will work. The poele who call us “blind fanboys” are just closed-minded “veterans”
>
> EDIT: Many people on this thread are missing the point entirely.
> Bungie has said many times before that during the original development process, that they based the core gameplay on the Golden Triangle. The Golden Trangle is what made Halo gameplay different than any other shooter at the time. Just because many games now use this system has nothing to do with anything.
> I’m not saying every game out there is Halo.
>
> What about CoD CoD? Killstreaks and perks. tons of games have killstreaks and perks but that doesn’t make them Call of Duty. Crysis 2 for example added perks and killstreaks. But what makes Crysis Crysis is the nanosuit. As long as it has the nanosuit working how it should, it’s a Crysis game.
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> Even starts and weapon pick-ups aren’t what make Halo Halo because tons of games had that system before Halo did. The Golden Triangle of gameplay is what set Halo apart from the rest!
WTF?! You ar by nooo means a “Blind Fanboy” You are very bit Fanboy like I am. I’m also a Vet who’s been playing and understanding Halo since the age of 12, and i’m still here kicking -Yoink- and taking names as i continue to evolve and adapt along side the Halo series. I feel sorry for my “Cavemen” brothers who feel that the old school gaming style is what made Halo Halo. They’re acting as if COD was always about “Perks” and “Killstreaks”. Back in the day even COD played like Halo and Halo 2, it wasn’t until MW1 that they really changed the game for all shooters. I’m glad i’m not the only Halo Fanboy who gets it keep speaking the truth.
> > The golden triangle is weapon control, map control, power up control. All of these things are now broken
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> Oh wasn’t aware you were a Bungie emplaayee when CE was created and that when they explained the triangle, they were lying to us all.
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> Every other game before Halo had weapon control, map control, and power-up control.
Nope, basically only shooters made by ID Software and Epic’s Unreal and the Arena shooters like them.
I will say however, Halos weapons systems/map control concepts work different with the game than a traditional Arena shooter simply because of the slower movement speed that makes the holding of these positions more tactical in nature then “On the fly” like in for example Quake.
> > If small arena-style maps were what made Halo Halo, then why do we get so many remakes of Blood Gulch, the most popular Halo map ever?
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> Blood Gulch is only the most popular b/c casual players outweigh competitive players and it’s a casual map. Everyone played BTB Heavy CTF on it back in the day, nothing else.
Nah, not all big maps are “casual maps” thats ignorant. They are just big team maps made for large scale battles/use of vehicles.
I think everyone is guilty of Blood Gulch flag wars back in the day =)
> Ever heard of Quake? Unreal? Both Halo competitors. Both dead. Even on PC.
Halo’s multiplayer was based of Quake 3 (1999), which was the third instalment in the Quake series (1996-current). Hard to compete with something that was yet to exist. Regardless, Unreal Tournament and Quake aren’t dead. There popularity have certainly declined, but that was a direct result from developers -Yoinking!- the series up so bad. You obviously don’t play these games on the PC, so please, don’t infer you do.
> Nexuiz? A modern arena shooter that just came out and no one plays it!
Pure-blooded arena shooters don’t belong on consoles. Thumb-sticks are inadequate for the desired input, and if the game doesn’t change to accommodate this fact most users will have an unpleasant experience. That was the fatal error of Nexuiz’s marketing; targeting (and prioritising!) console gamers. Regardless, the development process and the people behind it are despicable (long story short: Nexuiz was a free Quake community mod, but one dev back stabbed everyone else and approached publishers with their work: commercial Nexuiz was born [the -Yoink- took all the credit too!]). Not to mention the game is a joke–Mario party of the arena shooter genre! I personally haven’t played it as of late, but I have no intention of supporting that franchise.
… I just came here to say that… :3
> > > > > If you believe the Golden Triangle is the ONLY thing that makes a Halo game then you are wrong. It may have begun that way, but it has since gained it’s own identity that is much more complex than that.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don’t care what Halo is trying to be, we care about what it is.
> > > >
> > > > Halo hasn’t gained its own identity. It’s just that all other games like it have died out.
> > >
> > > They died out b/c Halo came along and nothing wanted to compete with it, not b/c the sub-genre has become stale.
> >
> > Ever heard of Quake? Unreal? Both Halo competitors. Both dead. Even on PC.
> > Nexuiz? A modern arena shooter that just came out and no one plays it!
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> Nexuiz is an indie game. People don’t know it exists. Quake is still alive, on PC. I can’t speak on behalf of Unreal though.
Nexuiz is horrible dont even waste you’re time trying it, Quake live (Basically Q3) is still a very good game but its old in age and too hardcore for most people, and Epic abandoned Unreal to make GoW.
But no, Halo would not be classified as an “Arena shooter” in the traditional sense, but a shooter with Arena shooter set-ups and elements. Halo is hard to clearly define it is so varied in gameplay across titles and has so many different game mechanics.
> > > and yet, not only was that triangle wrecked in the first game but since then everybody has been doing everything they can to limit the game to only one of those points.
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> > I don’t even know what you’re talking about. The triangle has always worked fine.
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> > What do you do when you see someone? Shoot.
> > What do you do when they get up close? Melee.
> > What do you do when they go around a corner? Grenade.
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> > You make no sense.
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> Have you ever tried to punch a bird in flight or blow up an indestructible object with a grenade?
No…but I’ve assassinated people in mid-air 
and as for AL (which I know thats what you meant.) Its out completely. Please do not pass go; please do not collect your $200.
p.s. I’ve also stuck people why they were flying around
> > Your argument is broken.
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> Oh the irony…
^^ I LOL’d. Not gonna lie