-YOINKED- if you do, -YOINKED- if you don't

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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343i cannot please everyone. I know this, you know this, everyone knows this. So why are we acting like it is 343’s duty to bend over backwards just to implement every little idea we want incorporated into Guardians?

For example sprint. 343 adds sprint, people complain that it doesn’t fit in the game. Sprint isn’t Halo. Yet, people complained about how slooow the gameplay felt in previous Halo games.

The campaign gameplay. People say, previous games were too linear. So, 343 adds squad-based campaign and bigger, more open maps. Problem solved, right? Well, not exactly. Bigger maps means more demand on the cpu/gpu, and i think you know where I’m going with this next point.

Splitscreen. The XB1 is packed full of the latest goodies, but even that little ten-pound beast will have enough of a challenge to render just one of these massive campaign maps, let alone two, or even four. Which means, no split screen campaign. Yet, if 343 were to dumb down the graphics, the fps, or the size of the maps in favor of split screen, I guarantee we would hear complaints along the lines of, these are next-gen consoles, where are my next-gen graphics? 343 lets me down yet again.

And the microtransactions. Oh those -YOINKING- little microtransactions, spawned straight out of Satan’s -YOINK!-. They’re going to ruin the game, its play-to-win, etc. 343 is giving us free DLC, and you still find a way to complain about it?? Come on now.

343 had a monstrous task when they took over Bungie’s precious Halo. Our precious Halo. And as much as you want to say that don’t care what we think, they recognized the love we had for those classic Halo games. So they took all of them, optimized them for the XB1, and gave them to us. Sure, 343 has removed some of Bungie’s most popular features. Im not trying to downplay that. But they’ve also added plenty of their own. This isn’t Bungie’s Halo anymore, it’s 343’s Halo. Get used to it.

-end rant-

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Preach man.

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The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singl halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy another one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waate of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years

Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have

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The community wants Halo to get better, but it also doesn’t want it to change, and it will continue to repeat the completely arbitrary “not true Halo” phrase and variations of that line for the rest of time. It’s become a bandwagon term, not an actual argument. Whether or not the people in this community realize it, they want to have their cake and eat it too. Nothing comes free, sometimes sacrifices need to be made and I knew the instant that the DLC was free there’d be transactions of some kind because that’s just how it works; at least they’re completely optional and serve no major benefit, and at least 343i didn’t make us pay for both MT and DLC.

But people can’t accept that.

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> The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have

I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.

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Good post OP,

See the problem revolves around the Internet, forums and social media. Because there is direct communication link from fans to developers. So fans suggest stuff and when they get a small hint of acknowledgement, they get this self entitled notion that their feedback matters and it’s important. Even if what they suggested doesn’t get implemented, the mere suggestion that they’re recognized goes straight to their heads.

Its no longer the developers game, it’s the game of the fans. They’re not actually making the game but they think they’re making the game. So if the developers do something to their game, the fans freak out.

In reality, the small vocal minority are yelling at a wall and 343i is hearing faint murmurs while they happily make their game and will make millions of dollars and sell millions of copies.

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> > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.

343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up

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> For example sprint. 343 adds sprint, people complain that it doesn’t fit in the game. Sprint isn’t Halo. Yet, people complained about how slooow the gameplay felt in previous Halo games.

Increase base movement speed. Problem solved.

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> The campaign gameplay. People say, previous games were too linear. So, 343 adds squad-based campaign and bigger, more open maps. Problem solved, right? Well, not exactly. Bigger maps means more demand on the cpu/gpu, and i think you know where I’m going with this next point.

Regardless of CPU/GPU strain: How does squad gameplay have anything to do with campaign linearity? The E3 demo was the most linear, scripted gameplay I have ever witnessed while still having squad gameplay.

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> Splitscreen. The XB1 is packed full of the latest goodies, but even that little ten-pound beast will have enough of a challenge to render just one of these massive campaign maps, let alone two, or even four. Which means, no split screen campaign.

So how come Battlefront has splitscreen whilst having superior graphics and bigger environments?

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> Yet, if 343 were to dumb down the graphics, the fps, or the size of the maps in favor of split screen, I guarantee we would hear complaints along the lines of, these are next-gen consoles, where are my next-gen graphics? 343 lets me down yet again.

Next-Gen-Graphics would still have been there in solo, while simultaneously providing a feature to have fun with your friends. Nobody was asking for both of them at the same time.

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> 343 is giving us free DLC, and you still find a way to complain about it?? Come on now.

I’d rather have paid maps than people pay for advantages on the battlefield.

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> So they took all of them, optimized them for the XB1, and gave them to us.

So by “optimizing” you mean adding new glitches an bugs to them to the point of being unplayable as in the MCC? Yes, they did.

Summa summarum (TLDR): Nobody is complaining because things are different than before. Everybody was expecting things to be different. People are complaining because there would have been countless other, better, ways to go about it.

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“Stop complaining! Stop complaining! 343 is trying their hardest!”

Stop white knighting for them. You’re not going to get a free game for defending them, or any special recognition.

As for microtransactions, they can do it without making players gamble. At the very least, they could just sell the skin/armor/weapon/whatever packs, labeled as whatever they contain. If you’re going to -Yoink- me, at least let me see what I’m getting -Yoinked!- with.

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Screw the game being perfect, no game is. They all have their faults.

If it’s fun to you, then buy it, play it and enjoy it.

If it’s not, don’t buy it and use that money on something way more practical.

Problem solved.

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> "Stop complaining! Stop complaining! 343 is trying their hardest!"
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> Stop white knighting for them. You’re not going to get a free game for defending them, or any special recognition.
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> As for microtransactions, they can do it without making players gamble. At the very least, they could just sell the skin/armor/weapon/whatever packs, labeled as whatever they contain. If you’re going to -Yoink- me, at least let me see what I’m getting -Yoinked!- with.

…You could easily turn that around and say the same damn thing to people who are attacking 343. There is no “right” side to this crap.

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> > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up

And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone

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As the ODST Dutch had once said, “Amen.”

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There were only complaints about speed because of Halo 2 to 3. Even though I hear it’s actually the same but just a POV issue.

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> > > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> > 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up
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> And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone

Yea but no one forced you to play it that way. It was an option for those of us who want to split screen. Besides game play should alway as take precedence to graphics.

Besides if you wanted graphics you should have got a pc

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> > > > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > > > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> > > 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up
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> > And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone
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> Yea but no one forced you to play it that way. It was an option for those of us who want to split screen. Besides game play should alway as take precedence to graphics.
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> Besides if you wanted graphics you should have got a pc

If you wanted couch coop, you should have gotten a wii.

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> > > > > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > > > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > > > > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> > > > 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up
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> > > And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone
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> > Yea but no one forced you to play it that way. It was an option for those of us who want to split screen. Besides game play should alway as take precedence to graphics.
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I do if infact own a wiiu m8. Also if I wanted couch coop op I’d buy halo oh wait they took that feature away.

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> > > > > > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > > > > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > > > > > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> > > > > 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up
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> > > > And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone
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> > > Yea but no one forced you to play it that way. It was an option for those of us who want to split screen. Besides game play should alway as take precedence to graphics.
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> I do if infact own a wiiu m8. Also if I wanted couch coop op I’d buy halo oh wait they took that feature away.

Plenty of other couch co op games you can play on the Xbox one.

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> > > > > > > The problem here is no matter what ,features from previous games have been removed. Things that were literally hallmarks of the game. Every year a halo comes out I’ve played split screen Co op and 4 player split screen multiplayer. Every singlevel halo game has been this way and i have been playing the games a very long time. Me and my husband own 1 xbox one. But to play together we would have to buy a other one. But other than halo we would have no reason to own a second console and is just a waare of money. So now we are upset that we can’t continue a tradition of couch coop that we have been doing for over 8 years
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> > > > > > > Now tell me does that seem fair to us as halo fans to make us spend another 400$ just to so something we always have
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> > > > > > I never said it was fair, but you have to understand that we can’t have it both ways. You want splicscreen, you’re going to have to deal with a linear campaign and dumbed down graphics. You want open-feeling campaign, squad-based warfare, and 1080p and 60 fps? Say goodbye to split screen.
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> > > > > 343 just needs to understand how to use level of detail. Even in 4 they had this problem. It was unplayable split screen because of about 15 fps. In split screen you can easily reduce the draw distance decrease resolution and textures. Sure it now won’t look as good in split screen but it will be playable. And the game will of course still look pretty in single screen because the settings can be all the way up
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> > > > And I hated that in Halo: Reach, you could see the graphic reduction on split-screen with reach and it looked like garbage, after that. I refused to do split - screen campaign with anyone
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> > > Yea but no one forced you to play it that way. It was an option for those of us who want to split screen. Besides game play should alway as take precedence to graphics.
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> I do if infact own a wiiu m8. Also if I wanted couch coop op I’d buy halo oh wait they took that feature away.

Point being, you’re being a hypocrite. You’re too stuck up to buy another xbox for coop, but just fine with telling someone else to buy a pc if they care about graphics.

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> > "Stop complaining! Stop complaining! 343 is trying their hardest!"
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> > Stop white knighting for them. You’re not going to get a free game for defending them, or any special recognition.
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> > As for microtransactions, they can do it without making players gamble. At the very least, they could just sell the skin/armor/weapon/whatever packs, labeled as whatever they contain. If you’re going to -Yoink- me, at least let me see what I’m getting -Yoinked!- with.
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> …You could easily turn that around and say the same damn thing to people who are attacking 343. There is no “right” side to this crap.

There is though. Half of the people “complaining” are giving constructive criticism and trying to help 343. It doesn’t help to sit around and sing their praises all day, then they would have no clue what the fans want. It doesn’t help, however, to attack anyone who criticizes the game or 343 in anyway, I won’t call anyone out, but I’m sure you know the exact users I’m talking about if you’ve been on the Halo 5 forums for a while.