Yeh that sounds annoying. Moments like this makes me less interested in returning to Infinite. Bad enough 343i couldn’t be bothered to fix radar in ranked so they removed it instead and last time I checked the game had plenty of cheaters in-game. The fact that Steam player base has been dropping to nearly 3k makes me seriously wonder how many legit players on PC are actually left.
They didn’t mention it so we don’t know if they left the social CSR mix in or not. I would assume not, but we wont know until next week. My other main concern is they didn’t mention group limitations. If they don’t restrict groups to a specific ranking range then this reset is pointless as people will just have teammate play bad on purpose to keep their overall CSR lower for easier onyx matches.
You may not think you are ranked too high (or are going to QQ about new rank) but there is certainly a ton of people that are ranked too high especially looking at the distribution. I believe that somewhat affects matchmaking.
That being said the whole social matches and bot games affecting MMR is hilariously bad. I wouldn’t even care if it was all other modes having the same MMR and having ranked separate. Hopefully they actually do fix this because it also causes people to tank quickplay/btb matches to get easier ranked lobbies.
Just a question, has the ranking system worked well in any of the previous titles, and if so, why change something that works well and brake it?
It seems to be the norm with 343.
I’m actually curious why 343 thinks “fixing” things that are not broken, and brake it is the solution. I don’t get this and don’t want to get this flawed logic.
Edit: Common sense should tell anyone if something works well, either leave it alone or improve it if possible.
TrueSkill2 has, and does work well.
But all ranking systems need a period of calibration to both the game and the population. The same metrics that worked well in H5 or Gears of War may not perform as well for Infinite.
Halo 5 underwent a few revisions.
This won’t be the first change. I imagine there will be tweaks each season. But hopefully a bit more subtle from here on 
Nothing personal, but the way you explained it, it sounded more like condition the population to how they want things.
Infinite is not a looter shooter, yet with the BP from reading a hell of a lot of posts about it. It seems 343 is trying to treat it like one because the major lack of content to get them by. This isn’t how Halo should ever be treated, it’s just wrong and it ruins the experience.
Even just looking at BTB, it’s based around the BP challenges, XP, etc. I don’t see infinite being created basing it off the population, I see it being over calculated. This also applies to the ranking system.
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Condition to what? Wanting a ranking system?
If you do, we know that ELO systems are a good options.
And we know TrueSkill is a solid ELO system. And that TrueSkill2 is even more accurate.
What conditioning are you talking about? Some sort of weird conspiracy theory…
I guess that is up to you.
Personally I’m not fussed by the loot or the battle pass. Happily paid for it, completed it, and perceived value for money.
In what way?
False, I played a lot of bot matches with my friends (they are reeeeally bad, hence the bot matches) and I keep getting matched with super sweats, IN SOCIAL.
The SBMM is broken
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You keep saying this. But it’s just not true.
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So I played 13 ranked games yesterday and went 7-6.
Of the six losses…
1 was because my game crashed to desktop at the start of the game
1 was because my ping was 100+ and I just quit at the start instead of suffer through that misery (keep in mind, this is prime time in the evening and I’m East coast US)
2 were because a teammate quit (oddball on recharge and ctf aquarius are almost unwinnable 3v4). In both games, we were winning easily at the point a teammate left (perhaps game crashes for them?)
Played 13 games, lost six, but was only beaten fairly in two. But yeah, the problem with this game mode is that CSR ratings are inflated.
Clown company.
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The ranking system is BROKEN!
How on earth me being platinum 2/4 plays against onyx 1500’s and high diamonds CONSTANTLY is totally beyond my understanding…
What’s even better is if you’re lucky enough to go even or neutral, you’ll receive a millimeter of progression. -BUT- if you lose, you’ll drop an inch or more.
Why am I losing rank in platinum if I’m losing to diamonds and onyx players? How does that make ANY sense? Assuming the ranking system works, shouldn’t a diamond/onyx win more times against a platinum? -how is it that me (being platinum) loses against diamonds and onyx teams somehow equates to me being less platinum? This should NEVER HAPPEN!
If I go EVEN or BETTER against a diamond or onyx, why isn’t my progression Bar ripping through the rank tiers?
Am I the only person that understands this concept? a lower level player shouldn’t lose rank playing better players, what are we doing here guys (343i)? For example, I lose to a whole team of diamonds and onyx players as a platinum 2, why am I going down if I lose? Bc the system makes no sense.
if I have a neutral K/D or better I should get a huge amount of CSR for either holding my own or winning. You don’t need a room full of mathematical geniuses to understand the logic behind the principle. I should probably be gaining a lot more CSR because I’m ranked UNDER those higher ranked players. -this would actually STOP alternate accounts in their tracks and have nearly 0% Negative effects on the game for anyone else.
Let me reiterate, if I’m a lower rank and win or have a BETTER K/D or neutral against a lobby of higher tier ranked players, I should either be moved immediately to that higher rank or half the difference between our ranks depending on the situation. THIS IS THE WAY!
The PROBLEM with ranked is NOT the fact people are OVER RANKED, the PROBLEM is OVER RANKED PLAYERS can exploit the system easily and create alternate accounts that are severely off their rank and completely diminish the experience for everyone. If players could move up dramatically in Situations that have merit, and move down slowly to settle into their rank, it would make the point of sandbagging NONSENSICAL
Fix your system, please!
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Some of this could be because there are many players out there who have a visible rank that doesn’t match their hidden rank. I’ve seen this mostly in the Diamond and Low Onyx range. Playing against Diamond and Low Onyx is a total crapshoot. Some games, the opponents feel appropriate. Other games, the opponents feel like bronze and silver players.
Currently there are so many problems with this game, it’s impossible to figure out what’s going on. Is it desync? Is it rank boosting or smurfing? Is the rank system broken? Is the matchmaking system broken? My guess is that all of these are major problems.
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Thank you, at least it’s not just me.
I’ve played GOLD that’s play like onyx, diamonds that play like Gold, and onyx that played like platinum.
None of it makes sense.
But I’m especially SICK of constantly playing higher ranked players and not getting a bump in CSR. It’s 1000% worse to be under the whole enemy teams rank and lose, then derank in my own rank tier bc of it.
I was really hoping 343 would understand this concept and address it in their update. Something absolutely needs to be done about it ASAP
(Edit) have noticed lately matches have been slowly getting better and have since moved into diamond -at least for a few more days…
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It’s definitely not you. There’s not much consistency in correlation between CSR and skill. In general, Onyx players are very good, but I’ve run into players as highly rated as Onyx 1750 who were complete trash. I’ve also played against Diamond players who were clearly better than me (I’m low Onyx), and I’ve seen some Diamonds who played as if this was their first time playing an FPS game.
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I agree 100% everything you just said!
This is exactly what I’m experiencing! You said it perfectly. We need these players that are under ranked to move up. (I’m probably 1 of them)
When I don’t play with my fireteam, the system will place me against golds and platinums and I’ll drop 28-35 kills a match against them, it’s not fair and it’s not funny. I shouldn’t be playing those players…
It’s all because people don’t move through the ranks easily IMO, I could be wrong.
We have to think about what the match quality.
Honestly, there’s so much weirdness with this rank system that I just think the entire thing is broken. There are huge glaring problems like social and bot matches affecting ranked MMR. The CSR system itself makes no sense. Going 7-6 last night, I gained 1-2 points per win, lost 0 points in 5 losses, and lost 11 points in one of the losses (IIRC, the one I quit because of 100+ ping), ending the night at Onyx 1519, right where I started.
I think a big part of the problem is having a global hidden skill MMR - I think the ranked CSR system will be permanently broken so long as they’re basing everything around a hidden global rank. Wanna have a few drinks on Friday and goof off in BTB with your friends? Well, the game evaluates your global skill during that time the same way as when you are sweating it out in ranked. Want to stomp some bots real fast for challenge/XP progression? Global MMR is watching. Are you a SWAT pro that can’t track a target or play a real game mode to save your life? Too bad - global MMR is watching.
343 are just a bunch of clowns with this. Halo 3’s per-playlist rank system was basically the perfect solution, and here 343 goes with more development philosophy of “I need to invent some problems to solve and break some things that were fixed”
Makes me think the top management of 343 have a huge inferiority complex and can’t stand the thought that Bungie might have done something better than them, which they cannot improve upon.
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I completely agree and understand the frustration entirely. You pretty much summarized what my thoughts and concerns are in this game.
343 gets a lot of hate, I can see why and sadly they’re responsible for most of it.
I’ve said this since the beginning, you simply can’t enjoy this game with friends. if you are a mid-tier player and have even 1 high ranked friend -your not going to enjoy your matches and you are going to sweat every single match.
Other games are more enjoyable with friends and this is probably why halo struggle to retain players over and above some of the other issues.
If someone just turned gold 2 and plays a diamond lobby and loses, they shouldn’t go to gold 1.
I’m not talking about situations where it’s one player I’m talking a whole enemy team of higher rank.
I was platinum in solo/duo last night with my bud that is platinum too, we had maybe a few diamonds for teammates. -the enemy team was solid diamond and one onyx -seriously?
I shouldn’t ever play other ranks higher than me unless I’m about to move up. You shouldn’t see next rank higher until level 6 in your specific rank. Level 1 should be allowed to play down a rank. -otherwise what’s the point?
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You can’t tell me that one global MMR isn’t “that important.” It’s absolutely important and is an issue.
This is also an issue. In game reporting function would have been nice. Imagine releasing a AAA game in 2022 funded by one of the biggest company’s in the world without a feature that’s been present in games since 2010.
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One other thing thats totally screwed in the ranked system, is that the system is overly dependent of kill/death ratio instead of actually winning the match and playing the objectives.
More and more I see players justy go for kills and get 0 seconds on the skull, 0 flag captures or attempts and as low as 2 stronghold caps in a match…
This is very frustrating since the way I play is to win the match, pulling out some high risk plays every now and then going for the flag and stuff. You just can’t depend on your teammates to support you since most of them are miles away chasing their kills.
If you are like me and get up to 4 flag caps in a match but still lose because of stupid reasons, get 3+ minutes on a stronghold or lose the match with 15+ stronghold captures you get punished for it because you did not make the kills other (excuse me for my language) r*-Yoink!- teammates are focussed on entirely.
Together with this, the assists points you do get are way to low. I’ve had matched with multiple wingman badges… that means at least 20+ assists. Even if you win the match but you do have a neutral or worse k/d you will get de-ranked easily.
343 absolutely messed up the whole “ranked” concept for a team game with this game!
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All they needed to do was copy Halo 3’s system and iterate on it to solve its two problems:
- Prevent booster accounts racing to top ranks in a few games
- Prevent players getting permanently stuck at a given rank after playing tons of games
Slap that into the game on a per-playlist basis and then boom, you’re done and everyone’s happy. Doesn’t matter if you call it 1-50 or Bronze-Onyx or Raccoon-Unicorn.
But nooooooooooooooooooooooooo it’s 343 and they can’t ever do anything that makes sense.
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