Xbox One Changes- A Step Forwards or Backward

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Ever since the Xbox One changes, a debate has sparked on whether it was the right thing to do.

This is because while we have gained some feutures, we have also sadly lost quite a few of them to.

> These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

This has lead to what I believe next-gen to be, not so next-gen anymore.

So was it the right move? Was it worth it?

I am going to refer to this list, while it is only one list, I think it is a good representation of the market considering how popular Amazon is.

As you can see, while the Xbox One was in top place, the PS4 might as well be there considering how popular its bundle packs are as shown in the rest of the list.
The Xbox One was simply not going to be successful with its next-gen polices, yes some may of wanted to go “next-gen” but the majority spoke (with their pockets- you didn’t think Microsoft changed it because we asked polity, did you?) and got what they wanted.

At the end of the day, what was the point of the "next generation"if no one wanted to go there?
Yes, we have lost quite a lot, but we have also gained loads from this- what the majority of gamers wanted.
I know it is pretty much a standard console which is more expensive because a camera came with it, but its what gamers wanted, and its what we are going to get.

Please discuss.

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Apparently it’s a double-edged news sword no matter what.

The proposed new way of doing things would not have been ready for launch and the very offline restricted yet very online open approach to the system would have tripped out of the gates…

If you are to believe all to be true.

Instead of tripping up on the new model, MS has gone back to the old model with plans to implement the newer Cloud-based, 10 family members (friends) can borrow anytime, I can access anywhere there’s a connection, still trade-in games at a future and undisclosed date.

As well, the launch has not happened and you’re already counting your chickens. Hype is not the end all be all. The word of mouth customers are more numerous than the “Can be bought by fancy words.” crowd. Good hype pre-launch is expensive, great after-launch hype is priceless.

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I’m honestly not too happy, most of the “problems” were people just making things up. I could lend games 20 better with the way it was before, I could still buy and sell games. The only issue was the online one which would have been fixed by simply requiring people to put the disk in. Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet. Now of coarse ms should have talked about this stuff at e3. That’s their fault there.

As for the kinect you can turn it off and it’s not like cell phones, tablets and computers didn’t already have cameras and mics already anyway. Is 100$ a lot of money for something that will make games better for the next 8 years?

Tbh people just like to -Yoink- about things they have no idea about. It’s sadly just human nature.

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> Tbh people just like to -Yoink!- about things they have no idea about. It’s sadly just human nature.

Get off your high horse.

> As for the kinect you can turn it off and it’s not like cell phones, tablets and computers didn’t already have cameras and mics already anyway.

None of my computers have a built in camera or mic.

> Is 100$ a lot of money for something that will make games better for the next 8 years?

I don’t care about gimmicky -Yoink-. I really do not care if aiming weapons by moving my arms around is the future. I’d rather have a controller.

‘Better’ is subjective, I view it as worse.

> Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet

They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…

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> > Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet
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> They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…

That’s it you say?

What about being able to launch any of your games from your library without having to find and change discs?

And then being able to access all of your games from someone else’s Xbox over the internet without needing all of your discs?

What about when games become to big for 1 bluray disc? Swapping discs all the time wouldn’t have been an issue if they were already downloaded to your HDD.

Having a disc spinning in the tray is going to make more noise than if the game was downloaded.

I’m sure there are more drawbacks than this which will surface with hands on experience.

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> > > Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet
> >
> > They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…
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> That’s it you say?
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> What about being able to launch any of your games from your library without having to find and change discs?
>
> And then being able to access all of your games from someone else’s Xbox over the internet without needing all of your discs?
>
> What about when games become to big for 1 bluray disc? Swapping discs all the time wouldn’t have been an issue if they were already downloaded to your HDD.
>
> Having a disc spinning in the tray is going to make more noise than if the game was downloaded.
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> I’m sure there are more drawbacks than this which will surface with hands on experience.

LOL so lazy! Is putting a disk in a tray that difficult? NOPE

Or you could just bring a CD wallet when you go places.

Games dont already take up an entire blue ray disk, if they take up more than 1 disk…then iono include <mark>2 DISKS shock shock</mark>

disk makes noise? Use a gaming headset or turn up the volume. You done?

No matter how apologists spin it our consumer rights to own the games we paid for and do as we please with them are not worth any of that lazy convenience offered by the bone.

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I miss all of the cool features, but it makes the whiners happy. Funny thing is, most of them already “pledged their allegiance” to Sony. Either way, can we just get over this whole Xbox One ordeal…

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Gaming was almost in a next generation. Now we’re getting a 360 with prettier graphics, a Kinect, and entertainment gadgets. This is the Next Generation?

I’m hoping that Microsoft will gradually introduce the things lost over time. We could have had digital libraries, no discs, less power to things like Gamestop, motivation for cloud, family sharing, online sharing… the digital age.

The market apparently wasn’t ready for it. Not as a sudden shift. At least this will allow Microsoft to gradually shift. Maybe the Next Generation Console can live up to its title in the future? They can work out compromises for offline gaming.

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The problem for MS was that gamers, gaming press, mainstream press blasted them with hit piece after hit piece.

Kinect will spy on us… What about the 3rd world countries without Internet? What about the military? How will I buy used games from EB?

The publishers were glad to let MS take the beating…

Sony was glad to proclaim that things would stay the same…

MS waits a weeks… sees that the PS4 is whipping the X-1 in terms of preorders, and decides that 1) They will lose money 2) Gamers are not ready for these policies…

So Gamespot has 7 years of life left before both the PS5 and X-Whatever go solely digital.

I personally did not mind MS’s policy. Halo 4 was release 6 weeks early on the Net. They wanted to monetize second hand sales and curb individual rights… Something that we already accept if you use Google, gmail, facebook etc…

But the People have spoken and now we have what we have.

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Back to the status quo, instead of breaking it, they went back to it.

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> Gaming was almost in a next generation. Now we’re getting a 360 with prettier graphics, a Kinect, and entertainment gadgets. This is the Next Generation?
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> I’m hoping that Microsoft will gradually introduce the things lost over time. We could have had digital libraries, no discs, less power to things like Gamestop, motivation for cloud, family sharing, online sharing… the digital age.
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> The market apparently wasn’t ready for it. Not as a sudden shift. At least this will allow Microsoft to gradually shift. Maybe the Next Generation Console can live up to its title in the future? They can work out compromises for offline gaming.

The market is not ready.

If there is a next generation, it will be always online, and games will ONLY be available digitally.

Gamestop will be no more. And MS could charge $30 a title.

Then we will be able to have nice things…

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> Back to the status quo, instead of breaking it, they went back to it.

In all fairness, MS calculated that the X-One would have lost so much marketshare due to perception, that they could not stay the course.

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> > > > Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet
> > >
> > > They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…
> >
> > That’s it you say?
> >
> > What about being able to launch any of your games from your library without having to find and change discs?
> >
> > And then being able to access all of your games from someone else’s Xbox over the internet without needing all of your discs?
> >
> > What about when games become to big for 1 bluray disc? Swapping discs all the time wouldn’t have been an issue if they were already downloaded to your HDD.
> >
> > Having a disc spinning in the tray is going to make more noise than if the game was downloaded.
> >
> > I’m sure there are more drawbacks than this which will surface with hands on experience.
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> LOL so lazy! Is putting a disk in a tray that difficult? NOPE
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> Or you could just bring a CD wallet when you go places.
>
> Games dont already take up an entire blue ray disk, if they take up more than 1 disk…then iono include <mark>2 DISKS shock shock</mark>
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> disk makes noise? Use a gaming headset or turn up the volume. You done?
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> No matter how apologists spin it our consumer rights to own the games we paid for and do as we please with them are not worth any of that lazy convenience offered by the bone.

You say all that, but the benefits that the Xbox One was offering were the kind of conveniences that you might shake a stick at at first, you after you have used them, you would wonder how you ever managed without them.

Imagine, for whatever reason, you went from a 360s to an original 360. You might not think about it at the time but the slim had built-in WiFi.
“Damn, not I have to go and buy another Ethernet cable (or wifi adapter)”

By the way, the 2 disc thing, you obviously haven’t played ME3 then? :slight_smile: lol

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> > > Now we lost so much new and amazing functionality because of the stupidity of people on the Internet
> >
> > They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…
>
> That’s it you say?
>
> What about being able to launch any of your games from your library without having to find and change discs?
>
> And then being able to access all of your games from someone else’s Xbox over the internet without needing all of your discs?
>
> What about when games become to big for 1 bluray disc? Swapping discs all the time wouldn’t have been an issue if they were already downloaded to your HDD.
>
> Having a disc spinning in the tray is going to make more noise than if the game was downloaded.
>
> I’m sure there are more drawbacks than this which will surface with hands on experience.

There is no reason why MS cannot offer both… digital license with DRM restrictions or a physical disk. MS is behaving like a spoiled brat now. The next thing for MS is to make the Kinect optional.

I do not understand people complaining that the Xbone will be just an Xbox 360 with better graphics and processing power…Isn’t this the main reason gamers upgrade their systems?

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I view it as placing one foot forward. While they haven’t begun moving in a forward direction just yet, the technology is there to introduce gradually. At least Microsoft is being up-front about their policies, rather than Sony slipping in all sorts of clauses and loopholes, or just not giving information at all.

> None of my computers have a built in camera or mic.

It’s a good thing he said cellphones and tablets; both of which cameras and mics are almost standard or required.

> I don’t care about gimmicky -Yoink!-. I really do not care if aiming weapons by moving my arms around is the future. I’d rather have a controller.

Stop being so short-sighted; the Kinect 2 is not just motion control; it has been vastly improved upon and completely integrated.

> They removed the ability to share downloaded games. That’s it. That is such a massive lost of functionality…

And the possibility of console MMO’s, and cheaper games through the loss of strangle-hold retailers like Gamestop, and cheaper (if not free) DLC add-ons and peripherals, persistently updated AI codes and player “Ghosts,” and I’m sure many more.

> LOL so lazy! Is putting a disk in a tray that difficult? NOPE

Difficult? No. But notice he said FINDING the discs. Or what happens if your disc is stolen? Or broken?

> Or you could just bring a CD wallet when you go places.

Do you have any idea how cumbersome that is? Not to mention in high-heat conditions, it can be incredibly damaging to the disk. The sleeves in a CD case can also be harmful to the integrity of a disc.

> Games dont already take up an entire blue ray disk, if they take up more than 1 disk…then iono include 2 DISKS shock shock

See above problems with physical discs. As to having to put in the second disc; you never played Mass Effect 2 or 3, did you? Is it easy to swap a disc out? Yes, incredibly so. However it breaks gameplay, bringing what should be a very engaging and tense moment to a crashing halt. It is not conducive to smooth gaming.

> disk makes noise? Use a gaming headset or turn up the volume.

I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure that when it makes a noise like that, it’s doing some form of damage. Not to mention that’s probably a major source of heat buildup. As for turning up the volume? What if it’s late at night and your roommates or family are sleeping? What if you don’t have a gaming headset?

Are you done being short-sighted and grossly ignorant of a wider berth of issues than yours alone?

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> It’s a good thing he said cellphones and tablets; both of which cameras and mics are almost standard or required.

Sigh…

My PC, my laptop, my cellphone, my homephone, my TV, my monitor, and my toaster do not have a camera, mic, or other such device of any kind.

It’s not too hard to find a standard cellphone either (one without a touch screen, apps, everything that isn’t phone-related).

> Stop being so short-sighted; the Kinect 2 is not just motion control; it has been vastly improved upon and completely integrated.

I. Do. Not. Care. About. Gimmicks.

I don’t care if the thing can hear my footsteps and apply that to a game, or if it creates a hologram that serves me coffee in the morning.

> See above problems with physical discs

No one complains that Halo 4 has two disks.

> What about being able to launch any of your games from your library without having to find and change discs?

Can do this already with downloaded games, which the xbox 360 has.

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Forwards hands down. Whoever says this is a step backwards is lost.

I mean seriously, you thought the idea of having your games held hostage like they have to check in with their parole officer every 24 hours was a GOOD thing? DRM is gone people, your rights as a gamer have been reluctantly restored by a company that was so easily and ready to take it away.

But “oh no we lost family sharing” … so? That seems like a waste of a feature anyways. Now with used games back games will be cheap again so no big deal there. Cloud is still there for those that want it. But for people like me who don’t like cloud services and having all my stuff not stored locally I finally get the choice of not having to deal with it.

All that has changed is choice has returned for the gamer (like it always should be). No ‘features’ everyone seems to be crying about were lost: Video Game News & Reviews | Engadget

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I would say that is one of those times where your car looses it’s tire (DRM) and smacks against the railing of a bridge…

The car is barely balanced over the edge of the bridge. Behind you, is a distant ambulance approaching (X1 Winning the console war) and hundreds of feet below you is a churning river that is littered with sharp rocks and rapids (PS4’s chokehold on -Yoink!-)

While help is arriving, one wrong move could send you plummeting towards your death. As the DRM scare gets heavier and heavier, and the car starts to dip towards the edge, you must now make a decision… And there are seconds left…

Stay in the highly unstable car and fall to your death… Or you could bash out your window and jump to the road, but that would leave the friends that rode with you to die…

Microsoft bashed out the window and jumped to the road, but the people that experienced the crash with them: Cloud Computing, Games stored on Hard Drive, and using games on multiple platforms fell to the river and died…

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> Gaming was almost in a next generation. Now we’re getting a 360 with prettier graphics, a Kinect, and entertainment gadgets. This is the Next Generation?

Well the PS4 is basically not doing much, and everyone seems pretty happy with it.

Thing is, its the games themselves that I want to see evolve and console has to evolve with it, if its just a 360 with a few extra gadgets, so be it as long as it makes my games better.