at first i thought it was pretty cool that if someone quit on your team they would be replaced by a bot but now i think i would rather be 3 on 4 because the bots are worthless. during the other beta (or whatever it was called) there were some bots that were tough, where are they at…
Bots, since they can be bait while I get the double or triple kill. Hasn’t failed me yet. It’d be nice to get a difficulty boost for them, though.
Id rather have a slayer playlist so that people stay in the game. Too hard for 343 in 2021.
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Social/Normal Playlists with Bots. Ranked without Bots.
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Undermanned it’s free kills for they opposition. At least make them Spartan difficulty bots to make it even.
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At the current difficulty they 100% do not belong in Slayer. They only feed kills to the other team, often leading to situations where you could very likely have won without them going 0-16. Even in CTF I’ve seen them grab a dropped flag in our base when both are contested, and run mindlessly across the map with it to gift them an ez return.
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Rather than bots they should have a multiplier system so if it’s 3 Vs 4 the 3 team with 3 get a plus 25% boost on points for control & oddball plus on slayer they should make the respawn for the enemy 25% longer.
They should be taken out in slayer and only be put in in objective game modes
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For Slayer, probably would be down a person. But for games modes not focusing on kills, eh, why not?
Bots should be higher in difficult then Marine though.
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Slayer - Varies on provabilities (map, vehicles, weapons, loadouts ect.)
SWAT - Absolutely, I’d kick my team if I could. 1v4 lets go!
Objective - Bots are better than nothing
It has been this way since Halo 2. It won’t change.
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I’d rather play man down, even in “social” playlists. The bots are brain dead, easy to predict. Only time they can kill you is if you walk in front of 2 or more at a time usually. Even spartan bots, though they are more of a threat - they are at best a low platinum player I’d say (so barely a top half of the player base). Maybe take the mmr of the lobby and put the bot equivalent to that mmr back into the game, though again that’s not going to work for anything above low platinum at best.
Really though - add forced rejoin in all playlists, you search same playlist again while your old game is still going - you’re coming back. Really I’d just ban you from match making but I know people do leave to join friends (though that’s NOT the reason for the majority of quitters). Those people shouldn’t be penalized so cant be too strict.
Bots aren’t always detrimental…
In Fiesta 2 days ago, i got sniper headshot by the same friggen bot 3 times in a row across the damn map…
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Yes, bots with snipers and needlers are just killing machines with their heavy aimbotting. Bots with AR’s are just bad.
What level of bots spawn in when someone quits/dc’d should be dependend on the player with the weakest MMR in that match (of all players who were originally in the match), so that you’re never getting better of with bots (otherwise people will just try to bully the weakest player in their team away) but also the bots can do at least something in most matches. On top of that bots should be scripted a little better so they don’t just walk out into the open carelessly.
Don’t know if this has been said, and I play mostly ranked: I would rather they rotate a player, whomever dies, out of the overweight team. So that, if 3v4, the most recent to die on the 4 sits on the bench/ in spectator mode until their next teammate dies, then they would sub in. That way the match would be 3v3; maybe even down to 2v2, though 1v1 during a ranked match may be silly. Most often, we see the 3v4 with the 4 team usually gaining rank and the 3 at times losing it.
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I’m convinced that because they’re bots that they have auto-aim. Change my mind someone.
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They do have auto aim basically, but it’s only for 2-3 shots. Obviously with a sniper, that’s all it takes. Other weapons u just have to survive the first second and then you have an easy kill
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Bots are great snipers.
Bronze 1 at everything else.
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Honestly I love getting killed cross map by a bit with a AR. Makes me want to grind to get better… Lmao
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The AR is the new sniper.
The real issue here isn’t that there’s Bots being substituted for players that leave an active match. The real issue is two-fold: (1) there isn’t a good enough skill variety of bots that can properly replace a player of a particular skill, and (2) the bots aren’t programmed well enough to handle in-match decision-making; particularly, in a match that’s a non-slayer based objective.
This was why I was trying to alert 343i during the Tech Preview, and ever since, that if they’re going to continue using Bots as a fill-in substitute in order to reduce the need for JiP in social matchmaking then they need to create a wider variety of Bot skills. I suggested this:
Recruit = equivalent to 150 MMR (Bronze)
Marine = equivalent to 450 MMR (Silver)
ODST Rookie = equivalent to 750 MMR (Gold)
ODST = equivalent to 1050 MMR (Platinum)
Spartan Recruit = equivalent to 1350 MMR (Diamond)
Spartan = equivalent to 1650 MMR (Lower Onyx)
Spartan Elite = equivalent to 1950 MMR (Upper Onyx)
I also hoped to see a skill-slider to allow for further fine tuning Bot skill such that the equivalent skill ability could be adjusted +/- 50 or +/- 100 MMR around the particular Bot type: Recruit, Marine, ODST Rookie, ODST, Spartan Recruit, Spartan, Spartan Elite.
This would allow the game to more accurately replace a player with a Bot that possesses a fairly similar skill-set; at least, from an aiming/accuracy, movement technique, and situational awareness perspective including its team tactic comprehension. There’s obviously more programming work to be done to raise Bot intelligence/recognition towards game-mode tactics. Right now it seems to be run toward encounter and try to slay.
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