I can’t really give a great answer to that. All I can say is that the situation would be like Himmler (not Rommel because unlike the Arbiter he didn’t take direct action against the Jews) having a change of heart and breaking off many Nazis and allying with the Jews.
Would the Jews look more kindly toward him? Should they get over the whole genocide thing in this fictional scenario?
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> 343i has been taking a more realistic approach to the Covenant as of late, and it seems as though they’ve actually looked at the Covenant’s aims and goals critically and asked a few questions Bungie never did. It was mentioned in Contact Harvest by the Prophet of Truth that one of the central themes of Covenant faith was that all were free to join and go on the Great Journey. This was ironically enacted for thousands of years through the forced subjugation of everyone they encountered, but nevertheless everyone was included and weren’t shut out based on who they were. So it seems to me that the more zealous you became in the Covenant, the more opposed you should have been to the war with humanity because it was essentially against the spirit of the Covenant that all could go on the Great Journey. At worst it should have caused some major confusion as it introduced a contradiction to their faith - all are included, but the Prophets say to destroy this race anyway.
Yeah, the war against humanity definitely appears to be at odds with what we know of Covenant religion. We know some questioned why humanity was not offered inclusion in the Covenant, but it appears that for most adherents the Prophets’ word was enough. Given the power and influence that the San’Shyuum cultivated over thousands of years as the sole voice of authority on religious issues, it’s understandable that others would follow their will, even if they didn’t fully understand the reasoning behind it. I think it makes the revelations and betrayals that occurred in Halo 2 that much more meaningful.
I certainly enjoyed Bungie’s story, but I really appreciate the realistic and complex approach that 343 has taken in showing a post-Great Schism universe. It would be easy to divide loyalties and motivations by species (which is what we saw in Halo 3, though I can understand the reasoning behind that from a gameplay perspective), but 343 seems dedicated to showing a much more fragmented universe. It makes sense that the loss of Covenant hegemony and religion would lead to a number of disparate and overlapping factions, each with a different view towards humanity and Covenant religion. Some abandoned their faith entirely, some adopted the beliefs of their ancient ancestors, and some attempted to reconcile what they’ve always believed with what they now know is true. These reactionary movements feel real, and that adds a lot of weight to the story.
For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
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> For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
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> Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
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> At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
>
> Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
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> Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
Do not Necro please.
“Look to the future” while bringing back a thread from the past…
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> > For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
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> > Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
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> > At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
> >
> > Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
> >
> > Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
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> Do not Necro please.
Necro?
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> “Look to the future” while bringing back a thread from the past…
What is that a joke or a threat?
It can be hard to forgive a former enemy, especially after fighting in a war with them, for what they did. But I believe, in the end, it might be worth it.
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> It can be hard to forgive a former enemy, especially after fighting in a war with them, for what they did. But I believe, in the end, it might be worth it.
I couldn’t agree more 
well, never forget, and forgiving could take generations. The first generations probably just dont want another war so they just hold their hatred and are somewhat happy to have some assistance.
its war though, there were deaths in both sides. Both believed to be right. They didnt try to exterminate humanity simply because they wanted to (at least not all, there potentially is warmongers in every large faction).
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> Everyone knows the elites. The primary enemies of halo CE, reach, and half of halo 2. Some people play as them, some people hate seeing them in Multiplayer, and some people write disturbing fanfiction about them.
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> But one undeniable fact is that the elites are responsible of the deaths of not hundreds, not thousands, not even millions, but BILLIONS of humans, both military and civilian (mostly civilian). And their justification for a while was “honor” and a religious belief that proved to be false.
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> While they did switch sides in the end, and ultimately help humanity win the war, the fact remains that they are quite literally the biggest and worst genocidal enemies humanity has ever faced. So know all of this, would YOU forgive them? Would YOU simply let the billions dead slide?
Of course not, its one of the most asinine moments in the universe. Theres no way that people would let something like near genocide and the death of 60% of the human population go. Nations have formed grudges for FAR FAR less than that. I think its purely because Bungie and the writers think of the series as a Space Opera so everyone has to not act like a real person and magnanimously accept peace without spite. Which is absurd, people do not act like that.
I awnser this with a quaestion from Paarthunax.
Is it better to be born good? Or overcome your evil through actions?
I could forgive them. Remember they’ve spent centuries living under a lie.
I don’t know who wouldn’t forgive them.
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> > > For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
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> > > Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
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> > > At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
> > >
> > > Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
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> > > Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
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> > Do not Necro please.
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> Necro?
You brought back a thread that was more than 2 years old.
Interesting question. I wouldn’t until they repaid us with something. Forerunner artifacts, caches of Covenant tech, and some starships.
I feel like this is the kind of question that I could not possibly answer without actually being in the situation.
My beliefs would tell me I’m divinely obligated to forgive and I would try my best to. If I saw a Sangheili starving to death in a gutter I would probably feel too guilty not to help him/her. And yet I probably also would be a liar if I tried to deny that I would never be able to fully trust and forget, either.
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> I would be in favor of destroying their entire military, or at least forcing their unconditional surrender, at the earliest opportunity. Not only did their entire military caste almost universally support a war of extinction against humanity but a large portion of it still wanted to continue that war even after the fall of the covenant. It will take too many generations for Sangheili culture to accept a strong humanity, which means they shroud be rendered entirely toothless to protect the human race.
The same concept of forced de-miiltarization and degradation of a group identity was applied to Germany post world war one via the treaty of Versailles, and this was ultimately a big factor leading to -Yoink!-’s rise to power, and eventually world war two. Attempting this with the Sangheili - ignoring ethical and justification issues - would likely do the same, and lead to an extremely prejudiced Sangheili gaining power among the population, and starting another war using black market and other illegally sourced arms; likely with the backing of all or almost all of the Sangheili.
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> > > > For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
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> > > > Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
> > > >
> > > > At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
> > > >
> > > > Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
> > > >
> > > > Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
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> > > Do not Necro please.
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> > Necro?
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> You brought back a thread that was more than 2 years old.
So like you just want to keep it old, not to let anyone into the thread again. i just got into this thread.
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> > > > > For many reasons, i would say yes. JUST LOOK TO THE FUTURE GUYS AND GIRLS. don’t need remind yourself from the past everyday now, okay?
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> > > > > Much like the older post i would have to agree, that forgiveness is a good thing. If i were in Halo, and if i were a civilian (yet still live), i would certainly join the UNSC.
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> > > > > At first, when i would join the UNSC, i would want to take my home back, avenge my families and friends deaths. To kill all of them, every last one. However, when things have changed. Whether I like it or not, i would have to accept the peace between humanity, and others as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, when the covenant decides to eliminate the rest of the sangheili, which caused the great schism. It would have felt like betrayal. Then the sangheili, will now know what its like when they will do the same to humanity as well. (BTW, read the comic Halo Union, it think that it’s a magnificent comic, you should read it too. If you want the link, just ask me, and ill be happy to post the link.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thirdly, say like, that i met a Sangheili, and that he/she is more trust worthy, forgiving, that has emotional like feelings, and felt really sorry that it has happened between the war with them and us. Then yes i would mostly for a chance forgive that sangheili, whether he or she felt either really good about what i have to say, or still feel sad, that i maybe would hug them (just sayin).
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> > > > Do not Necro please.
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> > > Necro?
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> > You brought back a thread that was more than 2 years old.
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> So like you just want to keep it old, not to let anyone into the thread again. i just got into this thread.
If only there was some other way in order to create a new thread. Ho hum, such a difficult question to solve.
Hell no. I also think it is rally forced and inorganic how pally-pally the UNSC is with the Elites now, ONI just let an Elite get their hands on and design some Mjolnir? That armour that was a major advantage for you in ground combat? Stupid.