Originally, in Halo 3 grunts and hunters were also going to help the UNSC. I think the alliance between Arbiters forces and the UNSC is pretty interesting. Although I like Halo a lot more than mass effect, would you be interested in alliances with other species that leave the covenant. The Yonhet species (Axl’s species from Halo Nightfall) would be pretty neat to work with. Perhaps they could give helpful info, and maybe even help with combat and be given their own uniforms (or armors; whichever comes first).
Elites: Yes
Brutes: Maybe
Grunts: Maybe/Yes
Drones: Maybe/Yes
Jackals/Skirmshers: HELL TO THE NO!
Hunters: I don’t think they would care, but if they would yes!
Yonhet: Yes
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Huragok: YES. THEY ARE TOO CUTE!
Elites only really. They are the only ones hat seem to be a challenge for the Spartans except for maybe the Brutes and Hunters which may be a little complicated to negotiate with. If the UNSC is gonna ally with a still potentially dangerous enemy, they need to see the strengths and weaknesses. What would the point be in allying yourselves with the Uggnoy? Spare plasma grenades? The Sanghelli really seem to have the only completely beneficial relation with the UNSC. TLDR; yes but only with the Elites (Swords Of Sanghelios).
Sangheili, huragok, and Unggoy (possibly the Yohnet?) would be the best bets for true alliances. Brutes tend to hate everything, Hunters and Drones don’t actually care, and Jackals aren’t exactly trust worthy.
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> Sangheili, huragok, and Unggoy (possibly the Yohnet?) would be the best bets for true alliances. Brutes tend to hate everything, Hunters and Drones don’t actually care, and Jackals aren’t exactly trust worthy.
Brutes don’t tend to hate everything. They are simply very aggressive, but have the capability to also be very loyal. They are not as dumb as people think.
Lydus was more than willing to negotiate with the UNSC. I would not be so quick to discount The Brutes. They would need careful diplomacy, but if you think about it, there is a mutual gain for both sides; Lydus would gain allies and strength, which would contribute to stability, and the UNSC would gain access to the resources which The Brutes have locked up.
Lydus, despite his distrust of The Arbiter, was smart enough to not turn hostile on The UNSC and SoS. He actually fought along side them. Give The Brutes more credit. They would make terrific allies with the right narrative in place to set it up.
I wanna see The UNSC ally with alien races to fight a greater threat, like The Forerunners or Jul’s forces.
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> > Sangheili, huragok, and Unggoy (possibly the Yohnet?) would be the best bets for true alliances. Brutes tend to hate everything, Hunters and Drones don’t actually care, and Jackals aren’t exactly trust worthy.
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> Brutes don’t tend to hate everything. They are simply very aggressive, but have the capability to also be very loyal. They are not as dumb as people think.
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> Lydus was more than willing to negotiate with the UNSC. I would not be so quick to discount The Brutes. They would need careful diplomacy, but if you think about it, there is a mutual gain for both sides; Lydus would gain allies and strength, which would contribute to stability, and the UNSC would gain access to the resources which The Brutes have locked up.
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> Lydus, despite his distrust of The Arbiter, was smart enough to not turn hostile on The UNSC and SoS. He actually fought along side them. Give The Brutes more credit. They would make terrific allies with the right narrative in place to set it up.
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> I wanna see The UNSC ally with alien races to fight a greater threat, like The Forerunners or Jul’s forces.
However, they feud quite a lot. Don’t forget they sent themselves back to the stone age with nuclear weapons before the Covenant found them. They tend to be a little short tempered which isn’t something you’d want close to you in delicate situations.
Jackals could possibly work in a negotiation, but first you may need to keep them in place. They tend to be untrustworthy, so make sure that they are in a situation where cheating you is out of the question. I think ONI could arrange a Kig-Yar civil war of sorts.
As Jackals, Brutes, and grunt are willing to eat humans I say no.
Hunter are a yes if they wanted to.
Elites are kind of all ready are.
Drones are a maybe
Grunts: Heck Yes. Don’t treat them like slaves though as they could be much better allies if treated as equals.
Jackals: For a black market, yes. Otherwise, no.
Elites: Yes.
Brutes: No. Unless we faked in believing their religion. Their loyalty only goes so far, and we can’t risk them going crazy against any of our allies or ourselves.
Drones: Maybe. We’d have to negotiate with their Queen. If we succeed in that, then we’re fine, but it would be a miracle to do such a thing. Whatever we do though, don’t treat them like slaves.
Hunters: They don’t really care, so maybe. I’d say yes, but when you have someone that can kill you and doesn’t care about anything you or the enemy does, then trusting them can be a bit hard.
Yonhet: I’d trust these guys more than Jackals
Engineers: Definitely. However, they’d have to be watched over since they are neutral.
Prophets: No. They may be willing to help us, but only for their own personal gain and nothing more. When they have what they want, they’ll leave/go to someone else/turn their backs on us.
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> Grunts: Heck Yes. Don’t treat them like slaves though, they could be much better allies if treated as equals.
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> Jackals: For a black market, yes. Otherwise, no.
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> Elites: Yes.
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> Brutes: No. Unless we faked in believing their religion. Their loyalty only goes so far, and we can’t risk them going crazy.
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> Drones: Maybe. We’d have to negotiate with their Queen. If we succeed in that, then we’re fine. But whatever we do, don’t treat them like slaves.
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> Hunters: They don’t really care, so maybe. I’d say yes, but when you have someone that can kill you and doesn’t care about anything you or the enemy does, then trusting them can be a bit hard.
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> Yonhet: I’d trust these guys more than Jackals
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> Engineers: Definitely. However, they’d have to be watched over since they are neutral.
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> Prophets: No. They may be willing to help us, but only for their own personal gain and nothing more. When they have what they want, they’ll leave/go to someone else.
The 3 actual prophets are goners. The San shyuum race MAY be able to work with humans. They were great allies with the ancient humans (Then wussed out and abandoned them when the human-forerunner war started).
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> As Jackals, Brutes, and grunt are willing to eat humans I say no.
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> Hunter are a yes if they wanted to.
> Elites are kind of all ready are.
> Drones are a maybe
Humans are willing to eat humans under the right circumstances.
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> > Grunts: Heck Yes. Don’t treat them like slaves though, they could be much better allies if treated as equals.
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> > Jackals: For a black market, yes. Otherwise, no.
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> > Elites: Yes.
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> > Brutes: No. Unless we faked in believing their religion. Their loyalty only goes so far, and we can’t risk them going crazy.
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> > Drones: Maybe. We’d have to negotiate with their Queen. If we succeed in that, then we’re fine. But whatever we do, don’t treat them like slaves.
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> > Hunters: They don’t really care, so maybe. I’d say yes, but when you have someone that can kill you and doesn’t care about anything you or the enemy does, then trusting them can be a bit hard.
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> > Yonhet: I’d trust these guys more than Jackals
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> > Engineers: Definitely. However, they’d have to be watched over since they are neutral.
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> > Prophets: No. They may be willing to help us, but only for their own personal gain and nothing more. When they have what they want, they’ll leave/go to someone else.
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> The 3 actual prophets are goners. The San shyuum race MAY be able to work with humans. They were great allies with the ancient humans (Then wussed out and abandoned them when the human-forerunner war started).
They were Hierachs, but still Prophets. In fact, all San Shyuum were technically considered Prophets.
As for as allies, exactly my point. Granted, their help with Ancient Humans allowed them to advance very high very fast in the Tier of technology. But yeah, when the San Shyuum no longer found any use/had any more personal gain, they wussed out.
At the end of the day, San Shyuum, past or present, cannot be considered to be long-term allies.
Elites, sure. Their mentality ain’t that far from humanity.
Jackals? They’re mercenaries and pirates. If we can buy some of them off and send them out to pester someone else, then we should do it.
Grunts? Ehh, they’re not too keen on the whole military thing (though they can fight like lunatics when cornered/sufficently motivated).
Brutes will eventually turn on any allies (and eachother) unless you hold something really powerful over them, so no.
Drones? An ally whose mind and motivations you don’t understand is not something you want for long-term and the drones are certainly a bit too ‘alien’ for us to understand.
Hunters? Again, too alien to really understand. I’d just leave them alone.
Mostly with Elites and Engineers. Probably with the Prometheans once the librarian manages to regain control over them
With the direction Halo is taking (Humsnity becoming a galactic power), it would be very hard not to ally up. We can’t be that galactic, Mantle upholding superpower if we are constantly at war. That would make us just as bad as the Forerunners. If you’ve read the Forerunner Saga, you know how messed up and hypocritical the Forerunners were.
The UNSC doesn’t know what they’re missing out on by not recruiting the grunts. If the UNSC treat them better, the Grunts would be a very helpful ally.
I’m not very open to it now. Also we can’t really ally with a species, but we can ally with a faction.
Engineers obviously are helpful and needed, but I can’t view them as allies, they are more a species that happily serves, and we have to ensure them none-slavery conditions, if anything.
There are Ussans and Stoics (if alive).
But first of all I suggest reuniting humanity. I want to know how many colonies are with us, how many would be with us but don’t want to submit to UEG (with taxes and loosing autonomy/independence), how many are against us and what we are doing to solve this.
Well we already have the Elites and remaining Engineers on our side.
Grunts would be great allies but I don’t want to see them abused like they were before.
If more Brutes like Lydus show up then I can see them as a good ally.
Jackals are a big fat no. They are pirates by nature.
Hunters seem to trust Elites far more then the Brutes despite what happened in Halo 3 but they also don’t seem to care so I’d love to see them fighting with humanity.
The Drones could serve some use but they are far to hard to understand
We don’t know enough about the Yohnet so my judgement is left undecided.
I don’t get why everyone is so eager to give The Sangheili a free pass. There is still a good number of them that can be classified as the enemy.
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> > Lydus, despite his distrust of The Arbiter, was smart enough to not turn hostile on The UNSC and SoS. He actually fought along side them. Give The Brutes more credit. They would make terrific allies with the right narrative in place to set it up.
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> > I wanna see The UNSC ally with alien races to fight a greater threat, like The Forerunners or Jul’s forces.
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> However, they feud quite a lot. Don’t forget they sent themselves back to the stone age with nuclear weapons before the Covenant found them. They tend to be a little short tempered which isn’t something you’d want close to you in delicate situations.
Humans feud quite a lot. You have factions of Sangheili feuding with one another. What is your point? Why do the Sangheili get a free pass, but not The JIralhanae? Yes, the Jiralhanae bombed themselves to rubble, but The Sangheili were glassing Humanity to rubble. I would be less inclined to trust The Sangheili. In fact, we still have Sangheili trying to destroy Humanity.
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> Elites, sure. Their mentality ain’t that far from humanity.
> Brutes will eventually turn on any allies (and eachother) unless you hold something really powerful over them, so no.
The Sangheili mentality is not far from Humanity? In what way? Sangheili in the Swords of Sangheilos still have reverence for The Forerunners, as Gods (you know…the same species that the Didact was). Yeah, I am sure the Sangheili would be VERY useful in a fight against The Didact. I am sure The Sangheili would jump at the chance to fight alongside Humanity against one of their Gods. At least The Brutes have forsaken Forerunner worship. If anything, I would argue that there is no alien race that has any mentality anywhere near Human mentality. Does this preclude alliances? No. Does having similar mentalities create alliances? Absolutely not. As of the current state of the lore, there are Humans fighting Humans. Last I checked…Humans have a very similar mentality to Human.
And as far as The Brutes are concerned, what you confuse as them turning on each other, is actually their pack structure at play which demands that the strongest male lead the pack. When signs of weakness are displayed, another male will try and take control of the pack. If this is what you classify as “turning on each other” then The Sangheili are no better. The Sangheili are known for sending assassins against one another for political reasons. By your logic, The Sangheili have the potential to start sending assassins against Humans for political reasons…and their “honor” won’t stop them. Remember…this was the same species that believed Humans were not worthy of names, and this is the same species that thinks killing an unarmed enemy is dishonorable, but killing an armed enemy, while using active camo and shields is totally fine. How do you trust a species with such a screwed up mindset?
The Sangheili are so reprehensible as a species, yet, the fan base gives them a free pass, and they ignore all these little details…because they have the most development as far as the lore is concerned. The one piece of lore which portrays the Sangheili in a negative light is universally shunned by Sangheili fanboys who literally plug their ears and scream non-canon.
On the flip side, the most recent lore suggests that The Chieftain of The Jiralhanae is willing to negotiate with Humanity. It is nebulous as to how much authority and territory he holds under his thumb, but it is clear that there is more to them than the capacity to be violent. Like any species, they would need to be dealt with in very specific fashion; that is, you would need to know what to say and what not to say. I am sure you could stir a Sangheili warrior to violence by calling his honor a pile of BS, just as quickly as you could stir any Brute to violence. There is no doubt in my mind that if we actually got some good post-war development that actually focused on The Jiralhanae, you could really bring their species to an actual development arc. This is a species that, in the span of roughly 100 years, went from rediscovery of radio, to being uplifted by The Covenant, to being oppressed by the Sangheili’s self-proclaimed divine right to rule, to murdering countless Sangheili and driving them out of The Covenant, to commanding warships. Yes, THe Jiralhanae were not nearly as effective at Naval command than the Sangheili were, but I would chalk this up to The Sangheili’s thousands of years of more experience.
With all that said, given the chance, 343 could pull off a very convincing story arc to actually make The Jiralhanae far more viable than they currently are, in terms of their presence and function in the lore, beyond raiders, and highly acute hunters, with super sensitive senses and hunting instincts…that don’t know how to feed themselves.
Sanghelli, as it has been, but I’d be open to others if it was mutually beneficial.