Would you at least try it?

I wish 343 would just give “no sprint” a chance. Yeah, they made it possible to toggle it in custom games, but they should have made it the opposite, turning sprint off entirely, and then having it as an ability in custom games.

There are people who spend their time just trying to improve Halo 5 by coming up with detailed responses and claims as to why something should be added, or taken out, but those qualms never get heard. Sprint is arguably the most controversial thing in Halo to date, and people have time and time again proven with thought provoking details and suggestions that would easily prove to any sane or reasonable thinking person that it just doesn’t work in the series’s formula. Yet, it stays, because for some inane reason the audience who wants it to stay, have nothing but subjective and opinionated reasons that are in no way, shape, or form healthy for the Halo franchise. Phrases such as, “Halo needs to evolve.”, “It needs to be faster paced” or, “I want to feel like a spartan” and even, “Get with the times, its 2015”. get thrown around way too often, and yet, as subjective and totally naive as these opinions may seem, they apparently over-lap the sound and reasonable responses of the former.

Take it from me, I used to like Halo 4, and I even thought Reach was in fact, the best Halo. Eventually I was looking up threads on this website and found people were against sprint, and thought you would have to be a child to think Halos 1-3 were superior to Reach and 4. I thought spartan ops was great, I thought Halo 4 was doing a good thing with customizable loadouts, and Reach was the best game. But eventually I started to see more and more anti sprint threads, and how well composed they were, and how professionally well thought out they were, It was then I realized how wrong I was. Spartan Ops was nothing but copy and pasted missions, Halo 4’s multiplayer was laughably watered down compared to Halo’s 1-3, and eventually I could understand the hate Reach got. I never even knew that buyer’s regret could have played such a big role in blinding my opinions. I didn’t want to be wrong, but it wasn’t about being wrong, it was about making Halo the best game it could be, with a healthy population that could sustain itself for more than a year. It was then I launched my campaign for anti-sprint and joined forces with the “purists” that I despised so much, so we could restore Halo to its rightful glory, and set it on track from its recently astray decisions.

Funny, how long of ways a little enlightenment works, huh?

> “There was honor in our Covenant once, and there shall be again!”
>
> -Thel 'Vadam

This was a quote the Arbiter had used in regards to the Covenant Loyalists, saying that by destroying the lying, broken Covenant, his separatist Covenant will receive the real honor, undeterred by lies. This quote was something I had pondered for a little while as I grounded my newly found beliefs against the opposition to rid Halo of sprint. I say this, because the way Halo used to be seems so different than what it is now, it wouldn’t be fair to the fans who had played it for so long.

I’m not trying to say that anyone who thinks that Halo needs sprint isn’t a true fan, I’m trying to tell you guys that sprint just doesn’t work. Look at it this way:

Sprint has more negatives than positives.

I just get tired of stating that so many times, but few people try and heed my warnings. All the opposition ever says is something along the lines of, “Then don’t play Halo anymore”, or “Halo doesn’t belong to you anymore, it belongs to the new audience.” I find these statements so dumbfounded, I just can’t even fathom how selfish they sound.

I just wish that 343i would just try eliminating sprint for once. The sad part is, Josh Holmes just wants to keep it for a personal preference it seems;

https://twitter.com/joshingtonstate/status/550871890755985408

The above link shows how die hard, and unprofessionally Josh wants sprint to stay. Below, user JosephSaucey even argues with him on how sprint isn’t just a small mechanic that flaws Halo, but how it deeply roots more problems into Halo to compensate for it (Increasing map size, “watering down” thruster pack). He even states, “I totally understand your point of view”. But does he really? He later states in the conversation, after JosephSaucey asks if they’ve ever considered taking out sprint, to which Holmes replies in a technical jargon of bull, that, “You have to take each game as the sum total of its systems. Focusing on a mechanic in isolation of creates an incomplete picture.” To which Saucey easily rebuts, “Focusing on how a single mechanic is effecting the total sum of the system is indeed looking at the bigger picture.” and goes on by stating how no de-scope in Halo 4 negatively impacts gameplay, stating “Look at Descope. It was severely impacting gameplay in a negative manner and it is now re-instated. Sprint is no different.” and “Sprint negatively impacts Halo gameplay on the same level as no descope. Thanks for your time.”

I’m not here to make Halo how I want it, I’m here to make Halo the best it can be. It has proven time and time again, that sprint is a hindrance towards Halo’s grand formula and is fundamentally broken in it, because of how movement was designed. Please 343, don’t look at this as another sprint rant thread from some angry “purist”, look at these suggestions as from a hardcore fan of series that plays Halo as one of, if not the main game(s) of choice, that wants Halo to be the best it can be and sprint stands in the way of that. From my time with the beta, it was fun in certain concepts, like breakout, because it seems the game was built around the that game-type, and not the other way around (Like it should be). I’m not going to say that sprint solely is what makes it bad, but it definitely is its biggest problem, as it hinders many of us and our perspective as to what makes Halo great. It’s not fun, and its not Halo. You say you’re taking feedback from the hardcore fanbase seriously, and I want to believe you, but when you’re trying to justify a fundamentally flawed mechanic such as sprint that we have known for years that it is incapable of redemption by re instating it in another game, it just doesn’t give me confidence that you guys want Halo to be the best it can be, but more of a cash cow that you can milk until it is completely dry.

All I’m asking of you guys, is that you post a more open poll in the forums that can prove that the anti-sprint crowd isn’t the minority you seem to have branded it as. And if the polls have more anti-sprint votes than pro-sprint votes, then all I ask is that you <em>Delay Halo 5: Guardians</em>, for as long as you need, so that you may reform the multiplayer maps, reconstruct the sandbox, and recreate anything else sprint would have its effects on.

No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.

Sounds like u just let these forums decide what you like

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> No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.

Thank you for proving one of the biggest points in the thread.

No seriously, thanks.

> Sprint has more negatives than positives.
>
> I just get tired of stating that so many times, but few people try and heed my warnings. All the opposition ever says is something along the lines of, “Then don’t play Halo anymore”, or “Halo doesn’t belong to you anymore, it belongs to the new audience.” I find these statements so dumbfounded, I just can’t even fathom how selfish they sound.

I thank you, whole-heartily, on further proving my point that the majority of the pro-sprint crowd are incapable of making constructive rebuttals.

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> Sounds like u just let these forums decide what you like

> Funny, how long of ways a little enlightenment works, huh?

Think of that statement, and how flawed your argument is.

I’m only giving you sound advice. You’re wasting your time. 343 isn’t budging.

Honestly, what argument do I need besides it’s less than a year before launch? It is not leaving, period. Sprint being unbalanced in the beta is complete OPINION based on anecdotal evidence. Not reliable in the slightest. I never had a problem with sprint in the beta, while others say they have. It is all unreliable. Then anti-sprinters spam polls everywhere, relying on confirmation bias to feel better about their OPINION. Get over yourselves. I’ve been anti-sprint longer than the OP, I KNOW how it deviates from Bungie’s gameplay. That’s all the argument is! You guys think Halo can’t be competitive in any other way besides Bungie’s way. That is completely false. No matter how balanced sprint becomes, you’re all still going to bash it because you have a grudge against the mechanic itself. You’ll never be happy. Even though the beta had competitive ranks for the first time since Halo 3, equal starts for the first time since Halo 3, static spawns for the first time since Halo CE, weapon launching for the first time since Halo CE, proper weapon balance for the first time since Halo CE, emphasis on map control and teamwork akin to Bungie’s Halo, a Halo eSports league, a spectator mode that Bungie always forgot to implement… You let a couple mechanics blind you from this amazing improvement. Sprint and ADS are SO small in the grand scheme of a competitive Halo game it’s not even funny. Yet you’ll make it seem huge because you, personally, can’t enjoy a Halo game with sprint in it. That’s perfectly okay. Just don’t try bringing down a game that is already established with these mechanics and is trying to focus on a longevity in eSports.

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> > 2533274794648158;2:
> > No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.
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> Thank you for proving one of the biggest points in the thread.
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> No seriously, thanks.
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> > Sprint has more negatives than positives.
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> > I just get tired of stating that so many times, but few people try and heed my warnings. All the opposition ever says is something along the lines of, “Then don’t play Halo anymore”, or “Halo doesn’t belong to you anymore, it belongs to the new audience.” I find these statements so dumbfounded, I just can’t even fathom how selfish they sound.
>
>
> I thank you, whole-heartily, on further proving my point that the majority of the pro-sprint crowd are incapable of making constructive rebuttals.

Now you’re reaching too far - the majority of arguments that are not what you listed get treated in the same manner as those anti-sprint arguments you mentioned do. Blasting someone just further shows how reactionary the anti-sprint group is toward any criticism (that was constructed on the same ad hominem you used).

Opinions will differ. They have compromised enough for the vocal minority as it is. Stripping n away more features will only serve to turn fans off more (look at other betas that get drastically altered before release).

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> I’m only giving you sound advice. You’re wasting your time. 343 isn’t budging.

That’s fine. They can stand by their professionally developed video-game and the direction its going, that’s fine and dandy with me. But I’m going to critique their flawed game choices until they decide to actually listen to their fanbase, and implement it. I’m not going to let a game that I love, and hold close to my heart make the choices its making and just stand by and say, “Halo is fine the way it is.” Because that would be a lie.

Here’s the thing. It doesn’t work with the traditional Halo formula. There is no constructive rebuttal against this. Sprint WILL affect map design - just as any new vehicles, weapons, grenades, pick ups would.

The underlying issue is that the formula has changed. The formula has to change to create a fresh experience and to allow for innovation in current and future titles. H5 focuses on improving mobility - does this change the way the game is played? Absolutely. Does it affect map design? Yes. But are these really negatives? That’s all up to personal opinion - some of us don’t think so.
343 obviously want to have sprint in the game. They want to improve mobility. They have stated that it is a necessary step to allow innovation. I’m just willing to give it a chance.

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> No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.

Good solution, I’ll play on 6 maps forever an ever. This post changed my life.

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> > 2533274829129180;4:
> > > 2533274794648158;2:
> > > No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.
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> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for proving one of the biggest points in the thread.
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> > No seriously, thanks.
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> >
> >
> > > Sprint has more negatives than positives.
> > >
> > > I just get tired of stating that so many times, but few people try and heed my warnings. All the opposition ever says is something along the lines of, “Then don’t play Halo anymore”, or “Halo doesn’t belong to you anymore, it belongs to the new audience.” I find these statements so dumbfounded, I just can’t even fathom how selfish they sound.
> >
> >
> >
> > I thank you, whole-heartily, on further proving my point that the majority of the pro-sprint crowd are incapable of making constructive rebuttals.
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>
> Now you’re reaching too far - the majority of arguments that are not what you listed get treated in the same manner as those anti-sprint arguments you mentioned do. Blasting someone just further shows how reactionary the anti-sprint group is toward any criticism (that was constructed on the same ad hominem you used).
>
> Opinions will differ. They have compromised enough for the vocal minority as it is. Stripping n away more features will only serve to turn fans off more (look at other betas that get drastically altered before release).

Critiquing people and their flawed and nonconstructive arguments does not list me the same way as they do. The difference between us “purists” and them is that we back up our arguments with facts and research, while VERY LITTLE of them do the same. Sure, there are plenty of purists who are nostalgia-lords who will refuse to like any new Halo, but the ones that actually make factual arguments get slammed by the kind of people like Shy Guy Theron who just dump the same dead-horse-beaten phases such as his.

And also, stop using the term, “Vocal Minority” because its just completely inaccurate. Look at these threads

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/simple-sprint-poll/f9cdc9b6-a41f-4e88-a6ff-48cc950182ea/posts

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/343i-s-incompetent-game-design-is-killing-halo/0d7148b9-6521-4e84-bef8-d9c76dc4e1e4/posts

There is undeniably a larger population of anti-sprint people, than pro-sprint. Just because the pro-sprints got ONE biased thread that had more pro-sprint votes, doesn’t make us the minority.

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> > 2533274794648158;6:
> > I’m only giving you sound advice. You’re wasting your time. 343 isn’t budging.
>
>
> That’s fine. They can stand by their professionally developed video-game and the direction its going, that’s fine and dandy with me. But I’m going to critique their flawed game choices until they decide to actually listen to their fanbase, and implement it. I’m not going to let a game that I love, and hold close to my heart make the choices its making and just stand by and say, “Halo is fine the way it is.” Because that would be a lie.

Your platform went from reasoning with the community on their view to essentially throwing a tantrum until you get your way. That may be simplifying things, and I’m not trying to insult you, but based on that you would spend eternity in poor spirits and vocalizing disdain if 343 never went back on any of their changes in future titles. Regardless of it all, you have an option. There will almost inevitably be a playlist for it, and sooner or later the no sprint crowd will have a niche experience from the very developers they hang for the work they are doing.

Please, if you want to reason and be rational, at least acknowledge that this is not the most productive method for convincing the community at large to change to suit your point of view.

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> Here’s the thing. It doesn’t work with the traditional Halo formula. There is no constructive rebuttal against this. Sprint WILL affect map design - just as any new vehicles, weapons, grenades, pick ups would.
>
> The underlying issue is that the formula has changed. The formula has to change to create a fresh experience and to allow for innovation in current and future titles. H5 focuses on improving mobility - does this change the way the game is played? Absolutely. Does it affect map design? Yes. But are these really negatives? That’s all up to personal opinion - some of us don’t think so.
> 343 obviously want to have sprint in the game. They want to improve mobility. They have stated that it is a necessary step to allow innovation. I’m just willing to give it a chance.

But increased map range, is proven to be inferior to classic map layouts. They leave inconstant cover, and they are too big and open, causing melee and close range fights to become less common than the classics. Also, I’m not even going to argue whether increased mobility is good for Halo, because again, it has proven it isn’t.

This new unlimited sprint, and thruster pack combo make it WAY too easy to escape. Yes, they have nerfed it, but people still find just as many ways to escape as Halo 4 and Reach.

Also, New vehicles, weapons, grenades, and pick ups only affect the formula if the developers let it, and don’t actually try.

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> > 2533274829129180;8:
> > > 2533274794648158;6:
> > > I’m only giving you sound advice. You’re wasting your time. 343 isn’t budging.
> >
> >
> >
> > That’s fine. They can stand by their professionally developed video-game and the direction its going, that’s fine and dandy with me. But I’m going to critique their flawed game choices until they decide to actually listen to their fanbase, and implement it. I’m not going to let a game that I love, and hold close to my heart make the choices its making and just stand by and say, “Halo is fine the way it is.” Because that would be a lie.
>
>
> Your platform went from reasoning with the community on their view to essentially throwing a tantrum until you get your way. That may be simplifying things, and I’m not trying to insult you, but based on that you would spend eternity in poor spirits and vocalizing disdain if 343 never went back on any of their changes in future titles. Regardless of it all, you have an option. There will almost inevitably be a playlist for it, and sooner or later the no sprint crowd will have a niche experience from the very developers they hang for the work they are doing.
>
> Please, if you want to reason and be rational, at least acknowledge that this is not the most productive method for convincing the community at large to change to suit your point of view.

Please, a tantrum? Now you’re just beating around the bush. This forum is for posting constructive criticisms of their game, and suggesting ideas for them to improve their game. But if they are refusing to acknowledge flawed choices by a large portion of the fanbase, then I will assume i need to be a smidge more aggressive in how I present my ideas. If I wanted Halo just the way I wanted it, I wouldn’t have been convinced by the “purist” crowd, and praising 343i for their grand design of their game. Instead, now I am just suggesting ideas on how they could improve their game. Am I putting a gun up to their heads, screaming into their ears for change? No? then I’m not forcing them to change the game to my liking. However, I have a right to express my opinions on their flawed ideas so that they can make their game better.

If people didn’t do this, games could never be as good as they could be. And with that being said, I will continue to file my complaints to them, and anyone can argue with me, as long as it is constructive, and objective.

> Please, if you want to reason and be rational, at least acknowledge that this is not the most productive method for convincing the community at large to change to suit your point of view.

Convincing the community? Where did I say that anywhere in my post? This was entirely meant for the developer’s eyes, in hopes that they consider delaying Halo 5 in the event that they exclude sprint. Yes, I did in fact talk about how the many pro-sprint people are wrong, but only in the sense that they aren’t being objective enough in their arguments. Do I want them to conform to my ideas? It would be nice, but they can hold any opinion they want, so long as it is objective and reasonable. So I would appreciate it if you could not put words in my mouth. And stop treating the “vocal minority” like we have absolutely no say or rights in Halo’s development.

We don’t know whether 343i might give it a try. They could release a playlist or few without sprint (ideally at least one of them would be ranked and geared toward competitive classic play), and then see how well-received it is once it’s in the game and people are playing it. In fact, I hope they do that, both because it would add variety to Matchmaking and because it would allow more people to experience a gameplay style that suits them.

Something else I want to address:

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> I just wish that 343i would just try eliminating sprint for once. The sad part is, Josh Holmes just wants to keep it for a personal preference it seems;
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> https://twitter.com/joshingtonstate/status/550871890755985408
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> The above link shows how die hard, and unprofessionally Josh wants sprint to stay. Below, user JosephSaucey even argues with him on how sprint isn’t just a small mechanic that flaws Halo, but how it deeply roots more problems into Halo to compensate for it (Increasing map size, “watering down” thruster pack). He even states, “I totally understand your point of view”. But does he really? He later states in the conversation, after JosephSaucey asks if they’ve ever considered taking out sprint…

I don’t see anything “die-hard,” “personal,” or “unprofessional” in that exchange. The worst thing about the linked tweet is that the idea was conveyed clumsily (which is common on Twitter due to the character limit), and that’s a non-issue given Holmes’ later clarification. Two people had a brief gameplay debate. That’s all.

> 2533274829129180;1:
> …to which Holmes replies in a technical jargon of bull, that, “You have to take each game as the sum total of its systems. Focusing on a mechanic in isolation of creates an incomplete picture.” To which Saucey easily rebuts, “Focusing on how a single mechanic is effecting the total sum of the system is indeed looking at the bigger picture.”

Except that if Holmes’ remark was “technical jargon” and “bull” (it wasn’t), then Saucey’s response would’ve been those things as well. The terminology is simple and non-specialized, and it’s far from bull: it’s perfectly valid to think of a game as a set of systems that act on each other. “System” isn’t a complex term: if a bunch of things work together to do something, then you have a system.

> Critiquing people and their flawed and nonconstructive arguments does not list me the same way as they do. The difference between us “purists” and them is that we back up our arguments with facts and research, while VERY LITTLE of them do the same. Sure, there are plenty of purists who are nostalgia-lords who will refuse to like any new Halo, but the ones that actually make factual arguments get slammed by the kind of people like Shy Guy Theron who just dump the same dead-horse-beaten phases such as his.

“research” "facts Bull crap, Opinion Based on theories and ideas from other like minded players.There as been no studies done, no actually research. People still claim that sole cause of the fall of halo is sprint and sprint alone. SMH I have seen just as many Post about how sprint is good as post that sprint is bad. About the only “concrete” Fact/stat is the Population drop off of halo 4, And many dont even take all the factors into account.

> And also, stop using the term, “Vocal Minority” because its just completely inaccurate. Look at these threads
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/simple-sprint-poll/f9cdc9b6-a41f-4e88-a6ff-48cc950182ea/posts
>
> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/343i-s-incompetent-game-design-is-killing-halo/0d7148b9-6521-4e84-bef8-d9c76dc4e1e4/posts

Except even if you take every “third party” polls total number they still pail in comparision to the total number of people polled in the HCFP, That doesn’t take into account cross posting(one person using accounts on each website to vote for the same answer) Multiple accounts posting to skew results The highest total number of those polled one of these site was 300. 300<19000 Sorry. Also take into account many of those “third Party” poll-ers, likely participated in the HCFP.

> There is undeniably a larger population of anti-sprint people, than pro-sprint. Just because the pro-sprints got ONE biased thread that had more pro-sprint votes, doesn’t make us the minority.

False Dude, Its wasn;t just some thread that happened to get to Polls tipped toward one direction of the other( kind like those on those “third party” sites) This was an open poll available to anyone, advertised on just about every halo website imaginable with an easy sign up who happened to successfully poll 10,000 of 19,000 who signed up

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> > 2533274829129180;4:
> > > 2533274794648158;2:
> > > No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Thank you for proving one of the biggest points in the thread.
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> > No seriously, thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sprint has more negatives than positives.
> > >
> > > I just get tired of stating that so many times, but few people try and heed my warnings. All the opposition ever says is something along the lines of, “Then don’t play Halo anymore”, or “Halo doesn’t belong to you anymore, it belongs to the new audience.” I find these statements so dumbfounded, I just can’t even fathom how selfish they sound.
> >
> >
> >
> > I thank you, whole-heartily, on further proving my point that the majority of the pro-sprint crowd are incapable of making constructive rebuttals.
>
>
> Now you’re reaching too far - the majority of arguments that are not what you listed get treated in the same manner as those anti-sprint arguments you mentioned do. Blasting someone just further shows how reactionary the anti-sprint group is toward any criticism (that was constructed on the same ad hominem you used).
>
> Opinions will differ. They have compromised enough for the vocal minority as it is. Stripping n away more features will only serve to turn fans off more (look at other betas that get drastically altered before release).

Actually, more people on this forum dislike sprint than those who like it. My thread proves that.

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> > No thanks. Sprint was balanced in the beta, and they are nerfing it even further. You want a modern Halo with no sprint? H2A is waiting for you.
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> Good solution, I’ll play on 6 maps forever an ever. This post changed my life.

6 maps? Try 80+ once/if MCC is fixed. There ya go.

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No matter how much we ask, they will not remove sprint. They are too proud and ignorant to budge. They think their games are great. They are blind.

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET

If you don’t think what this company is doing to the best exclusive franchise ever, then don’t buy it. Stop thinking you have to support the company because you like halo. Let the game fail. Within 1 month, the population will be less than 20% of what it will be the 1st day because all the casuals who they are designing the game for will have moved on leaving actual halo fans with a garbage casual experience. As long as 343 doesn’t already have your $60 because you were smart and didn’t preorder or buy the game period, we can hope that halo 6 in 4 years will be better. Fuck343