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> > > > > Actual maps would be far more preferable,
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> > > > I’d honestly prefer that 343 not design the maps unless something has changed entirely at 343’s design team, considering that a bunch of them are kinda -Yoink- in Halo 5.
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> > > > > id rather pay for dlc.
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> > > > And I’d rather not.
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> > > Drell Assassin (he’s sometimes here on waypoint) did join 343 to create maps, and he did say he was going to take inspiration from halo 3, so that’s a plus, right? He also contributed to the creation of the breakout 2.0 maps, so that may tell you a little about him depending on whether you think they’ve been improved or not.
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> > > OP, I see what you mean, but paying for DLC won’t change anything. I’d want most of the maps to be dev made, but if there’s an amazing forge map, it can be added to matchmaking. The breakout maps can stay forged because they don’t even look forged.
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> > Breakout 2.0 maps are -Yoink!-
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> Really? I found them to be a hell of a lot better than their original counterparts.
They’re way too cluttered for full shields, there’s so much cover it makes the pistol useless. Also, motion sensor + shotgun starts turn it into a crouch and sit in a corner game. If you check anybody’s service record for breakout. The shotgun is by far their tool of destruction.
I actually quite like forge maps in Halo as it provides a fresh flow of maps at no cost to the developer. Also, I think it’s worth pointing out that paid DLC would fragment an already small player population and thus make it unplayable, especially to players outside the US.
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> > > > > > Actual maps would be far more preferable,
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> > > > > I’d honestly prefer that 343 not design the maps unless something has changed entirely at 343’s design team, considering that a bunch of them are kinda -Yoink- in Halo 5.
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> > > > > > id rather pay for dlc.
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> > > > > And I’d rather not.
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> > > >
> > > > Drell Assassin (he’s sometimes here on waypoint) did join 343 to create maps, and he did say he was going to take inspiration from halo 3, so that’s a plus, right? He also contributed to the creation of the breakout 2.0 maps, so that may tell you a little about him depending on whether you think they’ve been improved or not.
> > > >
> > > > OP, I see what you mean, but paying for DLC won’t change anything. I’d want most of the maps to be dev made, but if there’s an amazing forge map, it can be added to matchmaking. The breakout maps can stay forged because they don’t even look forged.
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> > > Breakout 2.0 maps are -Yoink!-
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> >
> > Really? I found them to be a hell of a lot better than their original counterparts.
>
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> They’re way too cluttered for full shields, there’s so much cover it makes the pistol useless. Also, motion sensor + shotgun starts turn it into a crouch and sit in a corner game. If you check anybody’s service record for breakout. The shotgun is by far their tool of destruction.
It seems your problem isn’t the maps, it’s the new breakout gameplay.
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> > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
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> And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
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> Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
remember the halo 4 dlc maps those were all trash. at least theres a chance to have better maps when they are choosing from community maps
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> > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
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> And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
>
> Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
And Halo 3, and Halo Reach had forge maps, as well as paid DLC. We can do both. If the community are the ones making the Forge maps, then that should free up 343i to make Dev maps.
Also, there are other options. Gears 4 has paid maps, that are free for all users in MM. Why couldn’t 343i do something similar to that?
I also think the real reason DLC was done away with was the mess 343i made of Halo 4. You can’t sell MP DLC when no one plays your game, and the DLC was extremely poor, especially compared to Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Forge maps are great, I’d say 343 isn’t utilizing them well enough. I see so many great BTB/Infection maps and wonder why on earth they neglected to add them in…
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> What specifically do you dislike about Forge maps? In my opinion as long as the map plays well it’s a good map, I’d much rather have some remakes done in forge of classic maps like Beaver Creek, The Pit, Guardian etc. than some new developer made maps.
It doesn’t play well for me, oh wait that’s most of the maps for me, no wonder I don’t play arena.
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> > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
> >
> > And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
> >
> > Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
>
>
> And Halo 3, and Halo Reach had forge maps, as well as paid DLC. We can do both. If the community are the ones making the Forge maps, then that should free up 343i to make Dev maps.
>
> Also, there are other options. Gears 4 has paid maps, that are free for all users in MM. Why couldn’t 343i do something similar to that?
>
> I also think the real reason DLC was done away with was the mess 343i made of Halo 4. You can’t sell MP DLC when no one plays your game, and the DLC was extremely poor, especially compared to Halo 2 and Halo 3.
In Halo 3, you were locked out of basic playlists you previously had access to if you didn’t have the DLC. Then when ODST came out, the price increased from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
Don’t play multiplayer
Don’t want the map packs
Already have the map packs
Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3You are paying more money for the same content.
In Halo Reach, the population of DLC playlists were poor, so they integrated them into regular playlists again for a while. This time, instead of locking people out, the only way to play a DLC map is to essentially play Triple RNG with the entire lobby.
Halo 4 was the nail in the DLC coffin, but there was already quite a coffin there.
Aren’t people throwing fire at Gears 4 because they have both a season pass and microtransactions, along with a poor payout of games to get packs for free? I haven’t been paying attention.
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> > > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > > People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
> > >
> > > And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
> > >
> > > Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
> >
> >
> > And Halo 3, and Halo Reach had forge maps, as well as paid DLC. We can do both. If the community are the ones making the Forge maps, then that should free up 343i to make Dev maps.
> >
> > Also, there are other options. Gears 4 has paid maps, that are free for all users in MM. Why couldn’t 343i do something similar to that?
> >
> > I also think the real reason DLC was done away with was the mess 343i made of Halo 4. You can’t sell MP DLC when no one plays your game, and the DLC was extremely poor, especially compared to Halo 2 and Halo 3.
>
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> In Halo 3, you were locked out of basic playlists you previously had access to if you didn’t have the DLC. Then when ODST came out, the price increased from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
>
> - Don’t play multiplayer
> - Don’t want the map packs
> - Already have the map packs
> - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3
> You are paying more money for the same content.
>
> In Halo Reach, the population of DLC playlists were poor, so they integrated them into regular playlists again for a while. This time, instead of locking people out, the only way to play a DLC map is to essentially play Triple RNG with the entire lobby.
>
> Halo 4 was the nail in the DLC coffin, but there was already quite a coffin there.
>
> Aren’t people throwing fire at Gears 4 because they have both a season pass and microtransactions, along with a poor payout of games to get packs for free? I haven’t been paying attention.
Probably. I don’t agree with MTs in AAA games. And they didn’t talk about the MTs in Gears 4 for a long time.
My point was there are other options. We could have a season pass and paid DLC, but still allow that content to be free for match making. While still having community made forge maps.
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> > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
>
> And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
>
> Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
Mm… you had me till you said halo 3 map packs were handled poorly. That’s not why they did away with them, they saw that there would be more opportunity in microtransactions, that’s why we don’t get dlc like we used too.
Edit, I’m talking strictly about money here, not getting locked out of the game modes online.
If that’s the case, reach had the best system, but it sucks because you don’t get to play those maps much…
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> > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> You want more re skinned 343 maps?
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> Half of the “new” non forged arena maps are just an old 343 map with a different aesthetic…
No remixes are entirely different. Exaggeration is obvious. Some of them didn’t play as well as maps like Coliseum, but some weren’t bad in my opinion like Stasis the remix of Torque
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> > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > You want more re skinned 343 maps?
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> > Half of the “new” non forged arena maps are just an old 343 map with a different aesthetic…
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> No remixes are entirely different. Exaggeration is obvious. Some of them didn’t play as well as maps like Coliseum, but some weren’t bad in my opinion like Stasis the remix of Torque
The problem I have with remixes is there rather boring, I’m just running through areas that look like unsc buldings… they get stale because of that even if they don’t play the same.
Also, none of the maps take risks. Like its literally just guys in a room shooting each other, and there isn’t much interactions with the map itself.
Like in H2A there was that bubble dome on the flying station that you could turn on. Or on Sandra the mine feild you would need to avoid.
Edit: I know there are covonent theme remixs, but there in the minority of the maps which is a shame.
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> > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
> >
> > And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
> >
> > Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
>
>
> Mm… you had me till you said halo 3 map packs were handled poorly. That’s not why they did away with them, they saw that there would be more opportunity in microtransactions, that’s why we don’t get dlc like we used too.
>
> Edit, I’m talking strictly about money here, not getting locked out of the game modes online.
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> If that’s the case, reach had the best system, but it sucks because you don’t get to play those maps much…
Even in terms of money, Halo 3 was greedy through ODST.
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> > > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > > People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
> > >
> > > And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
> > >
> > > Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
> >
> >
> > Mm… you had me till you said halo 3 map packs were handled poorly. That’s not why they did away with them, they saw that there would be more opportunity in microtransactions, that’s why we don’t get dlc like we used too.
> >
> > Edit, I’m talking strictly about money here, not getting locked out of the game modes online.
> >
> > If that’s the case, reach had the best system, but it sucks because you don’t get to play those maps much…
>
>
> Even in terms of money, Halo 3 was greedy through ODST.
I can’t remember the price of odst, but thankfully it wasn’t 60 Bucks.
(Catch the pun? Lol)
I also don’t think it should have been called halo 3 odst, it should have just been halo odst.
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> > > > > Actual maps would be far more preferable, id rather pay for dlc.
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> > > >
> > > > People have been begging for Forge Maps by actual Forge users since Halo 3.
> > > >
> > > > And who said paying for DLC would get you higher quality maps? For all you know, they would have made these maps, maybe something slightly better, package them all in for you to buy.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless, having map packs was poorly handled since Halo 3 as well, which is why we did away with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mm… you had me till you said halo 3 map packs were handled poorly. That’s not why they did away with them, they saw that there would be more opportunity in microtransactions, that’s why we don’t get dlc like we used too.
> > >
> > > Edit, I’m talking strictly about money here, not getting locked out of the game modes online.
> > >
> > > If that’s the case, reach had the best system, but it sucks because you don’t get to play those maps much…
> >
> >
> > Even in terms of money, Halo 3 was greedy through ODST.
>
>
> I can’t remember the price of odst, but thankfully it wasn’t 60 Bucks.
> (Catch the pun? Lol)
>
> I also don’t think it should have been called halo 3 odst, it should have just been halo odst
My last comment:
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> Then when ODST came out, the price increased from $40 to $60 by shoving the map packs in. So if you:
>
> - Don’t play multiplayer
> - Don’t want the map packs
> - Already have the map packs
> - Or for some reason, don’t have Halo 3You are paying more money for the same content.
