Will Halo Infinite (6) pull a Halo Wars 2? What I mean buy this is that when Halo 6 releases will it have an ultimate edition for $70-80 or most likely more and then 6 months down the road there will be new content (ex: new heros) and they make you but it even though you have the season pass and everything. Reading the Halo Wars reviews on Microsoft store will help give you a better understanding.
FPS Halo games don’t follow models that benefit from that sort of content releases. In multiplayer, everyone plays as their own Spartan; there are no heroes to play as in multiplayer. FPS Halo games used to sell DLC in the form of map packs, but H5 changed this model, getting rid of map packs that split the player base and giving out new maps for free.
I’m sure there will be a more expensive edition of Halo Infinite that includes bonuses not found in the standard version. While I’m not a huge fan of these editions (collector’s editions with physical bonuses are ok though), I doubt the bonuses will pertain to things involving the play experience (i.e. maps, weapons, modes, etc). Any bonuses in a deluxe edition of Infinite will probably be cosmetic. There probably won’t be a “season pass” for Infinite because traditionally FPS Halos have not had DLC content that benefits from a season pass model.
As always, when deciding what version of a game to purchase, you should read all fine print to understand exactly what you’re getting and the terms associated with any bonus content beyond the base game. I’m sure when Halo Infinite’s editions are announced, the details of those editions will be made available, and if you find something you don’t understand when that happens, you should ask for clarification.
I say yes because 343i said they wanted the new engine to keep creating new (on going) content.
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> As always, when deciding what version of a game to purchase, you should read all fine print to understand exactly what you’re getting and the terms associated with any bonus content beyond the base game. I’m sure when Halo Infinite’s editions are announced, the details of those editions will be made available, and if you find something you don’t understand when that happens, you should ask for clarification.
Exactly this.
As long as they do not pull a Halo Wars 2 and change the description of the contents later down the road. Which was done with Halo Wars 2 Ultimate edition.
But they’ve probably learned after that big mishap.
I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
I hope not, I hope its just a single game. I did like the way 343 did free maps in Halo 5 so its easier for matchmaking.
I hate season pass and microtransactions.
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> I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
I’d guess Infinite will use the model of multiplayer maps being free, no season pass and no random loot boxes just like Gears 5 is doing. We can see from Halo 5 and MCC (especially regarding Reach) that 343 doesn’t want to fracture the multiplayer player base.
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> > > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> > Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
I think the “controversy” stems from the early days of what was then called an expansion, vs what people think a Season pass should include.
See, back before DLC, expansions were massive add-ons for the main game, offering quite a lot of content. For instance, The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 included a massive campaign, a lot of new units, new MP Maps and so forth. It could essentially have been a stand-alone title. Quite the difference to today’s DLC.
I would never expect an expansion of that caliber to be included in a season pass, especially if it’s a really cheap one.
Now I haven’t followed strategy games that much lately to know what kind of stuff they’re doing. But it makes Sense not to include an expansion (if it’s a big one) in a Season Pass.
So, all in all, it’s a new expectation that all future add-ons must be included in a Season pass, vs an old and forgotten procedure on how expansions were done.
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> > > > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> > > Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> > I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
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> I think the “controversy” stems from the early days of what was then called an expansion, vs what people think a Season pass should include.
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> See, back before DLC, expansions were massive add-ons for the main game, offering quite a lot of content. For instance, The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 included a massive campaign, a lot of new units, new MP Maps and so forth. It could essentially have been a stand-alone title. Quite the difference to today’s DLC.
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> I would never expect an expansion of that caliber to be included in a season pass, especially if it’s a really cheap one.
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> Now I haven’t followed strategy games that much lately to know what kind of stuff they’re doing. But it makes Sense not to include an expansion (if it’s a big one) in a Season Pass.
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> So, all in all, it’s a new expectation that all future add-ons must be included in a Season pass, vs an old and forgotten procedure on how expansions were done.
I forget if they stated before hand that the HW2 expansion would not be included in the season pass or not. My friend purchased the pass in part because he assumed all DLC would be included which honestly if they did state that you wouldn’t get the expansion in it that’s his fault. So much DLC these days it feels like either you spend $200 to get what feels like a complete game or the game has free DLC but feels like it’s never complete or takes years to get there with really expensive mtx. Sad times.
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> > > > > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> > > > Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> > > I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
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> > I think the “controversy” stems from the early days of what was then called an expansion, vs what people think a Season pass should include.
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> > See, back before DLC, expansions were massive add-ons for the main game, offering quite a lot of content. For instance, The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 included a massive campaign, a lot of new units, new MP Maps and so forth. It could essentially have been a stand-alone title. Quite the difference to today’s DLC.
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> > I would never expect an expansion of that caliber to be included in a season pass, especially if it’s a really cheap one.
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> > Now I haven’t followed strategy games that much lately to know what kind of stuff they’re doing. But it makes Sense not to include an expansion (if it’s a big one) in a Season Pass.
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> > So, all in all, it’s a new expectation that all future add-ons must be included in a Season pass, vs an old and forgotten procedure on how expansions were done.
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> I forget if they stated before hand that the HW2 expansion would not be included in the season pass or not. My friend purchased the pass in part because he assumed all DLC would be included which honestly if they did state that you wouldn’t get the expansion in it that’s his fault. So much DLC these days it feels like either you spend $200 to get what feels like a complete game or the game has free DLC but feels like it’s never complete or takes years to get there with really expensive mtx. Sad times.
Well, Microsoft/i343 did mess quite bad with the HW2 Ultimate Edition / Season Pass, because the initial description was something entirely different from what it was changed to.
At first, an expansion was indeed promised, to my delightful surprise. It was only after AtN’s reveal I learned they had changed the description to not have “expansion” included.
There was even talk about some campaign add-on which would be a few missions set before the first mission in the original campaign. Which was also changed to ODST mission add-on.
Yes, the gaming business environment has changed a lot, especially around high-volume games. The sad thing is that old practices which have remained somewhat unchanged has gotten unjust predjudices from a newer audience who’s basically only familiar with the newer practices.
It’s apparently economically more viable to release a bare-bones game at old game full-price, and then sell it piece-meal to the customers untill the game is somewhat complete.
It is sad times indeed, and it’s sad that it gets to continue like this, and getting worse.
PS: Awaken the Nightmare is a solid expansion. Good fun campaign with a fun proper survival mode.
Yes, I did think it was going to be part of the Season Pass because when I pre-ordered the Ultimate edition, first day, if not hour, an expansion was included in the Season pass, and I was surprised and disappointed when it wasn’t, and I did buy it because I did recognize that price wise it it didn’t belong.
If you tell your friend how strategy games were before Season Passes, alongside how DLC is miniscule to a true expansion, I’d say it’s safe for him to buy it, even if he initially opted against buying out of principle.
I mean, look at The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3, Lord of Destruction for Diablo 2, Reaper of Souls for Diablo 3, HotS and LotV for Starcraft 2, any of the expansions for Grim Dawn, Expansions for any of the Command and Conquer games. Then look at what has been dominating the market and media, along with what grew out of that, DLC, Microtransactions and Season Passes. If you’re not familiar with how it was before all of that, I don’t blame anyone new thinking expansions should be in Season Passes. Because it has been customary that the relatively small DLC has been in Season Passes, relatively small compared to expansions.
Well that is a good question, thing is it has become a standard practice to have large features in the game included after launch. MCC of PC is no exception whit Forge and Theater coming once again not included at launch. Buying games at launch is almost like a half-preorder where you get some of the games but the rest has to be downloaded.
Back in the day there was “Game of the Year” editions that often included some of the DLC but it wasn’t any more than the price of the game. And collectors editions have been with Halo since Halo 2 but that was at launch and not something afterwards. This new launch edition and a more completed deluxe edition is baffling to me because then why would you buy anything at launch?
I would say someone in marketing should be fired but they know how to get the masses buying their games for less investment, so they are doing a efficient job (I would say good but there is nothing good about these practices).
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> > > > > > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> > > > > Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> > > > I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
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> > > I think the “controversy” stems from the early days of what was then called an expansion, vs what people think a Season pass should include.
> > >
> > > See, back before DLC, expansions were massive add-ons for the main game, offering quite a lot of content. For instance, The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 included a massive campaign, a lot of new units, new MP Maps and so forth. It could essentially have been a stand-alone title. Quite the difference to today’s DLC.
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> > > I would never expect an expansion of that caliber to be included in a season pass, especially if it’s a really cheap one.
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> > > Now I haven’t followed strategy games that much lately to know what kind of stuff they’re doing. But it makes Sense not to include an expansion (if it’s a big one) in a Season Pass.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it’s a new expectation that all future add-ons must be included in a Season pass, vs an old and forgotten procedure on how expansions were done.
> >
> > I forget if they stated before hand that the HW2 expansion would not be included in the season pass or not. My friend purchased the pass in part because he assumed all DLC would be included which honestly if they did state that you wouldn’t get the expansion in it that’s his fault. So much DLC these days it feels like either you spend $200 to get what feels like a complete game or the game has free DLC but feels like it’s never complete or takes years to get there with really expensive mtx. Sad times.
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> Well, Microsoft/i343 did mess quite bad with the HW2 Ultimate Edition / Season Pass, because the initial description was something entirely different from what it was changed to.
> At first, an expansion was indeed promised, to my delightful surprise. It was only after AtN’s reveal I learned they had changed the description to not have “expansion” included.
> There was even talk about some campaign add-on which would be a few missions set before the first mission in the original campaign. Which was also changed to ODST mission add-on.
>
> Yes, the gaming business environment has changed a lot, especially around high-volume games. The sad thing is that old practices which have remained somewhat unchanged has gotten unjust predjudices from a newer audience who’s basically only familiar with the newer practices.
>
> It’s apparently economically more viable to release a bare-bones game at old game full-price, and then sell it piece-meal to the customers untill the game is somewhat complete.
> It is sad times indeed, and it’s sad that it gets to continue like this, and getting worse.
>
> PS: Awaken the Nightmare is a solid expansion. Good fun campaign with a fun proper survival mode.
> Yes, I did think it was going to be part of the Season Pass because when I pre-ordered the Ultimate edition, first day, if not hour, an expansion was included in the Season pass, and I was surprised and disappointed when it wasn’t, and I did buy it because I did recognize that price wise it it didn’t belong.
> If you tell your friend how strategy games were before Season Passes, alongside how DLC is miniscule to a true expansion, I’d say it’s safe for him to buy it, even if he initially opted against buying out of principle.
> I mean, look at The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3, Lord of Destruction for Diablo 2, Reaper of Souls for Diablo 3, HotS and LotV for Starcraft 2, any of the expansions for Grim Dawn, Expansions for any of the Command and Conquer games. Then look at what has been dominating the market and media, along with what grew out of that, DLC, Microtransactions and Season Passes. If you’re not familiar with how it was before all of that, I don’t blame anyone new thinking expansions should be in Season Passes. Because it has been customary that the relatively small DLC has been in Season Passes, relatively small compared to expansions.
This. I don’t know anything about the preorder description change because when I preordered it was already set to the 6-months of leaders and 2 campaign missions. So I knew what I was paying for and I was fine with it. Then I bought AtN as well. The only thing including AtN in the season pass would have done was run the season pass price up an extra $20 so I really don’t see the problem of them being separate. If they changed the description during pre-order times then I think that’s fair because of how easy it is to cancel pre-orders if you change your mind (although making this change more readily known would have been nice). If it came after launch then that would be really scummy, but I don’t recall that happening.
I want a halo infinite legendary edition .
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> > > > > > I’d hope not. I didn’t have the season pass for HW2 but you bet if I did I would’ve thought that expansion would’ve been included in it. I had a friend that wanted to play the expansion but refused to buy it because he had the season pass and felt scammed so he didn’t buy it on principal, I don’t blame him.
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> > > > > Ok but let’s be fair, every strategy game and even some other games I can think of delivers one season pass and then releases another expansion (Civilization, X-Com, Sins of a Solar Empire, Rainbow Six Siege, Destiny, etc. etc). Not saying it’s a good thing they do stuff like this, but let’s not pretend like Halo Wars 2 pulled some big Battlefront 2 level scam here.
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> > > > I was not aware that all RTS games are like that, what a scummy genre. Wonder why that is?
> > >
> > > I think the “controversy” stems from the early days of what was then called an expansion, vs what people think a Season pass should include.
> > >
> > > See, back before DLC, expansions were massive add-ons for the main game, offering quite a lot of content. For instance, The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 included a massive campaign, a lot of new units, new MP Maps and so forth. It could essentially have been a stand-alone title. Quite the difference to today’s DLC.
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> > > I would never expect an expansion of that caliber to be included in a season pass, especially if it’s a really cheap one.
> > >
> > > Now I haven’t followed strategy games that much lately to know what kind of stuff they’re doing. But it makes Sense not to include an expansion (if it’s a big one) in a Season Pass.
> > >
> > > So, all in all, it’s a new expectation that all future add-ons must be included in a Season pass, vs an old and forgotten procedure on how expansions were done.
> >
> > I forget if they stated before hand that the HW2 expansion would not be included in the season pass or not. My friend purchased the pass in part because he assumed all DLC would be included which honestly if they did state that you wouldn’t get the expansion in it that’s his fault. So much DLC these days it feels like either you spend $200 to get what feels like a complete game or the game has free DLC but feels like it’s never complete or takes years to get there with really expensive mtx. Sad times.
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> Well, Microsoft/i343 did mess quite bad with the HW2 Ultimate Edition / Season Pass, because the initial description was something entirely different from what it was changed to.
> At first, an expansion was indeed promised, to my delightful surprise. It was only after AtN’s reveal I learned they had changed the description to not have “expansion” included.
> There was even talk about some campaign add-on which would be a few missions set before the first mission in the original campaign. Which was also changed to ODST mission add-on.
>
> Yes, the gaming business environment has changed a lot, especially around high-volume games. The sad thing is that old practices which have remained somewhat unchanged has gotten unjust predjudices from a newer audience who’s basically only familiar with the newer practices.
>
> It’s apparently economically more viable to release a bare-bones game at old game full-price, and then sell it piece-meal to the customers untill the game is somewhat complete.
> It is sad times indeed, and it’s sad that it gets to continue like this, and getting worse.
>
> PS: Awaken the Nightmare is a solid expansion. Good fun campaign with a fun proper survival mode.
> Yes, I did think it was going to be part of the Season Pass because when I pre-ordered the Ultimate edition, first day, if not hour, an expansion was included in the Season pass, and I was surprised and disappointed when it wasn’t, and I did buy it because I did recognize that price wise it it didn’t belong.
> If you tell your friend how strategy games were before Season Passes, alongside how DLC is miniscule to a true expansion, I’d say it’s safe for him to buy it, even if he initially opted against buying out of principle.
> I mean, look at The Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3, Lord of Destruction for Diablo 2, Reaper of Souls for Diablo 3, HotS and LotV for Starcraft 2, any of the expansions for Grim Dawn, Expansions for any of the Command and Conquer games. Then look at what has been dominating the market and media, along with what grew out of that, DLC, Microtransactions and Season Passes. If you’re not familiar with how it was before all of that, I don’t blame anyone new thinking expansions should be in Season Passes. Because it has been customary that the relatively small DLC has been in Season Passes, relatively small compared to expansions.
Yeah I myself got the Awakening expansion and it was awesome, I think I actually liked it more than the main campaign. Playing as Brutes was so cool and all the different things they did with the Flood was great, I hope that stuff makes it into the FPS games.
I mean, if its anything like the past Halo games on the FPS it will include everything and not a season pass.
And to go to the topic of HW2, I don’t think its fair to blame 343 for what happened with Halo Wars 2 Ultimate Edition. Blame the people who couldn’t read when buying it. When Halo Wars 2 Ultimate released it stated " get the game four days before the game’s standard release date, Halo Wars 2 Season Pass digital code and Halo Wars: Definitive Edition digital code"
And it said. The Season Pass includes 6 leaders and 2 campaign mission over the course of 6 months. And that’s exactly what we got. Nothing, absolutely nothing was ever stated about a major story expansion after the 6 month release window.
It’s just part of the slide in the industry, before games released as finished products (which was a must given no patching was available) after that, microtransactions in fully priced games, still pretty minor like cosmetics then increase in the number of microtransactions which lead to season passes for those who wanted everything with reduced price while giving still option to pick what to get & now, a new kind of season passes that seem to ride a wave created by season passes in older games that included everything.
One of those things that could have been handled better, season passes should have remained as those things that prettty much were offerings of reduced prices for those who wanted to get everything while these new things could have been called something like bundles or something like that.
This was just unnecessary confusion of customers which probably netted money from the careless but also brought some bad name for the season passes overall.
If creators dont want to include such offer as traditional season pass is then it would be better to just not include something called season pass at all but rather, change the name of it instead of messing industrial standard.
It’s pretty much like someone would have decided to make B button a jump button for a game in NES, it’s pretty much unnecessary change of standard.
And to clarify, some things have bettered over the time like patching has become available and such big things but consumers should think where some things can lead in this slide, the more people accept the more businesses push these things.
So likely Infinite will have something like one of these “unfinished season passes” or at least something as obscene as that for that trend will continue as long as consumers buy those things.
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> This. I don’t know anything about the preorder description change because when I preordered it was already set to the 6-months of leaders and 2 campaign missions. So I knew what I was paying for and I was fine with it. Then I bought AtN as well. The only thing including AtN in the season pass would have done was run the season pass price up an extra $20 so I really don’t see the problem of them being separate. If they changed the description during pre-order times then I think that’s fair because of how easy it is to cancel pre-orders if you change your mind (although making this change more readily known would have been nice). If it came after launch then that would be really scummy, but I don’t recall that happening.
The thing is, there was no big notification of it at all, and if I recall, someone said it happened quite fast after the pre-orders went up, maybe a week or two later, don’t take my word for it though, it’s been a while.
I really doubt anything of the sort will be present in Infinite. As alluded to earlier FPS games have less content that can be monitized in such a manner. I could only see something like maps be included in a season pass like model but with H5 effectively axing that practice I’d anticipate that the only monitization we’ll see is through cosmetics with no gameplay effects.