WIll halo 4 topple cod from its throne?

In my opinion, it will not. In my grade at school I only know of 2 other people who play/ed Halo, whilst about 20 play Cod. All of the cod fanboys constantly tell me how Halo is crap and how Cod is so much better. Which leads me to believe that Cod has asserted its position as the most popular fps game, and nothing that 343i does will change that. I know that my example is only of 20 people, but I’m sure that it speaks for a vast majority. Yes, Halo 4 might bring back people who left Halo:Reach because it tried to hard to be like Cod, but, Cod will now be the most played game.

How I miss the days of Halo 3 :frowning:

MW3 had the most sales in entertainment history, more than games, movies, everything.
I like both CoD and Halo(a rare sight I know ;)) I doubt it’l do it, but if it does, I’ll be surprised.

If Halo 4 becomes more like Halo and less like Reach then YES.

I’m meaning like from Xbox only, because it’s impossible to top it for PC and PS3 lol.

Call of Duty sells more copies because it is multiplatform. On xbox alone Halo sells more than COD but not overall.

> Call of Duty sells more copies because it is multiplatform. On xbox alone Halo sells more than COD but not overall.

really? thats pretty cool i didnt know that. was that for halo reach?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: the problem with Halo games now is that they are nothing special. I remember when finding out that two Halo games were coming out in the next year (ODST and Wars) was really big news. Sadly this is becoming the norm, and hype isn’t really existing for new games. They need to stop making Halo games for like two years, then there will be no market saturation.

Anyway, I think COD will no longer be the market leader in about four years. So by the time Halo 5 comes out, I wouldn’t be surprised if it sold more copies on 360 than COD.

> In my opinion, it will not. In my grade at school I only know of 2 other people who play/ed Halo, whilst about 20 play Cod. All of the cod fanboys constantly tell me how Halo is crap and how Cod is so much better. Which leads me to believe that Cod has asserted its position as the most popular fps game, and nothing that 343i does will change that. I know that my example is only of 20 people, but I’m sure that it speaks for a vast majority. Yes, Halo 4 might bring back people who left Halo:Reach because it tried to hard to be like Cod, but, Cod will now be the most played game.
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> How I miss the days of Halo 3 :frowning:

the ONLY WAY Halo will come out on top again is if it scraps all of the Reach mechanics:

-mini nuke grenades
-failed bloom and failed spread
-no-bleed double-derp melees
-poorly balanced / implemented AA’s
-jet pack in general

and, instead improves upon the mechanics in halo 3, like the post-patch bleedthru melee system.

it will take a lot, but if 343 REALLY works at the CORE GAME MECHANICS instead of adding fluff and gimmicks (or before, and always keep the gimmicks like jet pack out of serious matchmaking), the game could be good, and MAYBE even topple COD. SKILL GAP is paramount. if Halo 4 doesnt have massive skill gap, or doesnt have hitscan, the game will fall flat on its face like reach did.

> Call of Duty sells more copies because it is multiplatform. On xbox alone Halo sells more than COD but not overall.

source?

somehow i really doubt it, especially considering call of duty games hold 3 of the top 4 spots on games most played on xbox live.

No, because Halo is harder than other FPS games on the market, and kids these days can’t be bothered putting in any effort and want to be rewarded for even the smallest action.

In a less biased way (:P), CoD is a much more accessible and rewarding shooter to many people. But even if that wasn’t the case, there is simly to much competition of a much higher level than when Halo 3 was at it’s peak.

I suggest you relish the reality that Halo led the way for the gaming world we currently live in today. Remember, the other games owe Halo the same respect a Spartans give their Gerousia.

Though Halo does owe the other franchises thanks for being an influence just by being in the industry, CoD and BF owe their current success on the consoles almost in full to Halo’s risks taken over a decade ago. And ya know what? GoW and Skyrim are part of the other games.

Halo also probably helped to create the 2nd biggest leap in household gaming acceptance (GH/RB did the biggest). The number of gamers we see today were made possible by Halo’s punch and wake. For many, Halo was a great cup of tea, though not their cup of tea.
And from that, we have today’s world where the more hardcore gamers (though not as old school PC hardcore, who exist in even less numbers) that make up the “core” of Halo are still around and just as minority as they ever where.

Fear not of a rebirth. CoD did it when going from WWII to Modern Combat and look what happened with them :slight_smile:
As much as I may poke at CoD for its issues, its core is very much intact from its roots. I’ve casually played CoD since its inception and have enjoyed the 2 games and 16 or so expansion packs.
And yet it’s amazing what a tweak here and coat of paint there can do shift the paradigm of the player.

Though I see a long-term marketing goal of H4 being launching pad for H5 on the next-gen Xbox.
The seeds woven in H4 will be intended to be hypernova’ed on the next-gen buy turning everything from 10 to 14.

> No, because Halo is harder than other FPS games on the market, and kids these days can’t be bothered putting in any effort and want to be rewarded for even the smallest action.
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> In a less biased way (:P), CoD is a much more accessible and rewarding shooter to many people. But even if that wasn’t the case, there is simly to much competition of a much higher level than when Halo 3 was at it’s peak.

halo a a rich and fulfilling campaign story to it and it seems hardly no one plays a campaign these days and the multiplayer is the be all and end all of a game

COD has an entirely new camapign every time (havent played MW3 but cod4 barely carries onto MW2…) so it doesnt matter if it’s good or not it’s an extra bit just shoved on for people without xbox live

hardest difficulty wise halo is much higher then COD even on lower difficulties, even co-op on easy you have to take slight care of running into a room guns a blazing however on cod you don’t need to watch your health till medium and sometimes hard

cod is on a fragile throne, activision milked guitar hero, look what happened.
cod is being milked by activision. After a while people will get tired of killing the same russians over an over. Just wait, you’ll see

Battlefield may topple COD but Halo should gain market share back from COD with halo 4

I hope so. A lot of my friends seem to be playing more Reach than MW3 lately, which is a good sign.

I kind of doubt that Halo 4 alone will topple COD, but it could be a start.

> > No, because Halo is harder than other FPS games on the market, and kids these days can’t be bothered putting in any effort and want to be rewarded for even the smallest action.
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> > In a less biased way (:P), CoD is a much more accessible and rewarding shooter to many people. But even if that wasn’t the case, there is simly to much competition of a much higher level than when Halo 3 was at it’s peak.
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> halo a a rich and fulfilling campaign story to it and it seems hardly no one plays a campaign these days and the multiplayer is the be all and end all of a game
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> COD has an entirely new camapign every time (havent played MW3 but cod4 barely carries onto MW2…) so it doesnt matter if it’s good or not it’s an extra bit just shoved on for people without xbox live
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> hardest difficulty wise halo is much higher then COD even on lower difficulties, even co-op on easy you have to take slight care of running into a room guns a blazing however on cod you don’t need to watch your health till medium and sometimes hard

Yes that is what I was saying. Halo takes more skill and thought to play well, with the only tangibale rewards being a medal. Which I believe is how it should be.

However in CoD, you get rewarded for anything and everything, which people these days find more appealing, even if, in my opinion, it’s a false sense of reward seeing as you havn’t really done anything reward-worthy.

I really doubt it. CoD has become so big at this point, the only thing that can topple it now it seems, is it’s own fanbase. Every attempt so far of several game series to topple it has pretty much failed so far. If the fanbase of it gets bored or no longer enjoys it anymore, it will topple itself and let in other series to compete for the throne.

> If Halo 4 becomes more like Halo and less like Reach then YES.
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> I’m meaning like from Xbox only, because it’s impossible to top it for PC and PS3 lol.

is that a bad joke?
the only way for halo to beat cod in terms of population is to become so casual ANYONE can play it and win, which is halos issue in terms of having a large population, people dont want to see that they are bad and they want to be rewarded for nothing:
cod - get 5 kills with a gun, get 10 kills with the resulting killstreaks.
halo - get 5 kills with a gun, try to get more kills with your existing skill.

if halo 4 is like halo 2 (which it most likely will be) you will see NO change in halos online population.
Dont judge a game by how many people play it, that has to do with advertising, play a game that you like and are good at. If youre not having fun there is no reason to play.

People stating the removal of many of Reaches features as the best move is clearly blinded by their own rage.

  1. CoD is FULL of noob fail and limited skill, yet is still highly sucessfull
  2. CoD is multiplatform, so there is no need for a specific console in order to play it.
  3. CoD hasn’t changed in years… and that seems to be working

the only reason i can see CoD being as successful as it is, is because it rewards you for everything you do, from killing all the way to failing you are still rewarded. Halo doesn’t do this and is why it is failing to compete these days.

Halo still holds the FPS crown in my eyes, just because CoD is more popular now doesnt make it the FPS king its all subjective in what FPS is the king,some people still say CS is the king of FPS. Is Lil Wayne the king of hip-hop just because hes the most popular artist? No, its just appeal not quality. CoD couldnt hold a candle to Halo sales and population wise when it wasnt heavily catered to casuals with killstreaks and gameplay based on gimmicks. Not until arguably the worst game in the series Halo Reach did CoD surpass it in population, if Halo 4 is a quality Halo game and gets people hyped to play Halo again Halo could easily kick CoD to the curb again. No FPS should be called king that is imbalanced, gimmicky, and released every year without offering nothing innovative or of value to the FPS genre.