The new COD
Evolve
The Division
Battlefield Hardline
Star Wars Battlefront
Fable Legends
Fifa
In the past, when Halo was Halo, only COD would have been real competition for Halo. “Modernised” Halo has shown a massive decline in the online popularity of Halo though so all these game, plus more, are huge threats to H5’s online player base.
Do you think H5 will be able to stay in the XBL top 5 of activity for the entirety for it’s first year?
This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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> This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
That’s a cool theory except other games manage to hold on to their population. You can’t say Halo only dropped out of the top 5 because of a mindset that effects the whole industry when there are 5 or more games above it retaining their population.
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> > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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> That’s a cool theory except other games manage to hold on to their population. You can’t say Halo only dropped out of the top 5 because of a mindset that effects the whole industry when there are 5 or more games above it retaining their population.
And which games would those be?
No, it won’t. H5 will turn out exactly like H4.
I doubt any game can hold a constant top 5 for a whole year, let alone 3 to 4 like halo 3.
Cod and battlefield get sequels so often I don’t see them holding it
Destiny already has a sequel once that drops I doubt it’ll hold top 5
It’s just that mindset of getting bored with a game easily which I attribute to no one (well hardly anyone besides people who leave their kinect on) using game chat anymore, but that’s just my theory.
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> > > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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COD will be one. FIFA probably another.
Other than that, who knows.
In h4’s case it was COD4 (TIMES FOUR) GTA, Minecraft, BF, FIFA, Skyrim, Madden, NBA…and the kitchen sink.
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> > > > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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How would GTA (not released until 2013) or Skyrim (no XBL play) be in the top of those lists against Halo 4 (released w/ XBL mp in 2012)? Not to mention other games could still have a population when a sequel is released (Halo 2/3, any CoD/BF, etc). However, we all know halo 5 is coming in with lower expectations for numbers from half the fans on this forum as it is.
I would like to see it be a highlighted XBL title for years like the past. I think, of the games you mentioned, most won’t last that long, either:
-Evolve looks fun, but I’m sure many will be bored of it (at least on consoles) soon enough. Especially with the heavy aim for dlc
-CoD/BF will no doubt have players. Although Hard line is fighting the similar fanbase issues Halo is.
-The Division is losing support every time they debut new content, as people are slowly realizing it is not a game changer (I smell another Watch Dogs, even if it still seems intriguing)
-Fable is another franchise that has been kicking after 3 games, so we will see what it’s fanbase does if it doesn’t live up to the hype.
-Fifa is a sports title that will be in rotation during the season, much like any other sports game. So it’ll be in the top for sure regardless (despite being stale in gameplay).
-Battlefront has me 50/50. If it doesn’t live up to the past, people will HATE it, just like Halo fans did with 4 (not all, but the old crowd). For a game that went through dev hell, it will be interesting to see if it sparks (if it does, it will be up there. People love the old ones).
It’s all speculation. I would be surprised if any game holds on for a year +. But with my experience, if they nail the launch, 343 will have a solid XBL game for a year or more. MCC would’ve been the best test for this, but many have given up and will not return.
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> > > > > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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> How would GTA (not released until 2013) or Skyrim (no XBL play) be in the top of those lists against Halo 4 (released w/ XBL mp in 2012)? Not to mention other games could still have a population when a sequel is released (Halo 2/3, any CoD/BF, etc). However, we all know halo 5 is coming in with lower expectations for numbers from half the fans on this forum as it is.
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> -Evolve looks fun, but I’m sure many will be bored of it (at least on consoles) soon enough. Especially with the heavy aim for dlc
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> -CoD/BF will no doubt have players. Although Hard line is fighting the similar fanbase issues Halo is.
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> -The Division is losing support every time they debut new content, as people are slowly realizing it is not a game changer (I smell another Watch Dogs, even if it still seems intriguing)
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> -Fable is another franchise that has been kicking after 3 games, so we will see what it’s fanbase does if it doesn’t live up to the hype.
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> -Fifa is a sports title that will be in rotation during the season, much like any other sports game. So it’ll be in the top for sure regardless (despite being stale in gameplay).
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> -Battlefront has me 50/50. If it doesn’t live up to the past, people will HATE it, just like Halo fans did with 4 (not all, but the old crowd). For a game that went through dev hell, it will be interesting to see if it sparks (if it does, it will be up there. People love the old ones).
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> It’s all speculation. I would be surprised if any game holds on for a year +. But with my experience, if they nail the launch, 343 will have a solid XBL game for a year or more. MCC would’ve been the best test for this, but many have given up and will not return.
That list is from November 2013. You don’t need MP to be counted on this list. It simply counts unique players per day that played a game while connected to XBL.
It’s very telling that skyrim, an older game than H4 that has no MP had more people playing it online in november 2013 than H4 did. That alone can tell you that any game has a chance to leapfrog modernised Halo games.
8 of the 12 games above H4 on that list were released BEFORE Halo 4. You’d be surprised if games could hold population for over a year? Why? All those games did.
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> No, it won’t. H5 will turn out exactly like H4.
The negativity is strong in this one.
It seems you have much hate for h4 and h5., however u’ve 60 k kills in h4, pretty much twice as mine, and I consider myself a supporter of 343’s halos. So…why so much h4? just aking…
Halo 5 could be the best game ever and I’m still doubtful.
CoD is a titan that smashes anything that attempts to rise against it.
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> > > > > > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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> > I would like to see it be a highlighted XBL title for years like the past. I think, of the games you mentioned, most won’t last that long, either:
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> > -Battlefront has me 50/50. If it doesn’t live up to the past, people will HATE it, just like Halo fans did with 4 (not all, but the old crowd). For a game that went through dev hell, it will be interesting to see if it sparks (if it does, it will be up there. People love the old ones).
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> 8 of the 12 games above H4 on that list were released BEFORE Halo 4. You’d be surprised if games could hold population for over a year? Why? All those games did.
Playing a game while signed into live (with a device, in the One, that is meant for always online functioning to an extent) doesn’t prove much about Halo’s population. That would be like saying Halo won’t last in the top of all xbox games, live or not, based on its multiplayer numbers. That is a seemingly less related question (at least note this in your main post), as none of the games you listed were SP only like GTA V (online is separate) and Skyrim.
Out of the 8/12 games listed, the majority were before Halo 4. So most of the games mentioned were older then 2012 (or during). So why would any new game, new ip/sequel/etc have a better chance of defeating those games than a “modern” Halo with a conflicting fanbase?
I explained about all of my uncertainty for each of the games mentioned, as well as stating my basis for the games you listed in the other post. Thank you for clarifying the stats in that second comment, but that doesn’t change my opinion. Older fans have set halo up to fail regardless of what it does, and pushing away new fans by catering to old ones is not any better. So with a conflicted fab community, Halo has a struggle to get to the top of xbl. However, every game has the possibility of releasing and being forgotten (especially sp only games) in terms of xbox live. It would not surprise me if Minecraft holds the throne over Halo 5 after a year, even being an older game, due to the completely different fanbase behind it than Halo (Halo appeals to many, but minecraft is popular with a more diverse community).
All I did was answer you post/topic with my opinion. Lumping single player games in to the list was not consistent with the op When I typed that.
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> Halo 5 could be the best game ever and I’m still doubtful.
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So? You could lose handily to COD and still be the 2 or 3rd most played game on XBL.
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> It seems you have much hate for h4 and h5., however u’ve 60 k kills in h4, pretty much twice as mine, and I would consider myself a supporter of 343’s halos. So…why so much h4? just aking…
Because H2 servers were shut down, H3 was full of cheaters, Reach was arguably even worse than H4 and MCC hadn’t come out yet. I stopped playing CoD after CoD4. I briefly played BF3 but I hate BF4.
So you tell me, what other FPS on the 360 was I gonna play? I didn’t choose H4 because I loved the game. I chose the lesser of the evils.
Also, this is a newer tag (old one got stolen) without my H3 or Reach stats, so you can’t see that I played more H3 than H4.
Either way I don’t care about population. If games like CoD ghosts and dysentery (destiny) were able to pull in hundreds of thousands for months, then I have no hope for populations.
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> > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game. Ppl no longer look for longevity and it’s quite sad. That’s why sequels are so popular look at assassin’s creed and games like dead space. This generation doesn’t hold on to games. A lot of my friend go crazy for those increase value when you trade in. Or even the GameStop "most wanted list etc. Mentality is so different now a days. I mean he’ll wasn’t Destiny suppose to be a whole new beast and last X amount of years but a sequel is already in the works lol. COD is not rotating between 3 teams instead of just two appprently.
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Popularity=/= play count those are two different questions. The name all of duty is always in the top because there is a new one every year. And the cod players the majority of them but one every year. Lol anyone who plays COD knows fat is lost everytime I new one drops. Just like a sport game is 2K popular every year obviously does 2k 12 stay above 2K 13 when it drops? Lolll no it doesn’t
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> This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game.
That’s a nice theory and all, but you’re wrong. The “outdated” Halo 3 managed to top the “modernized” Halo 4’s activity on XBL on Nov 7th 2013. I’d argue that Halo 3 would be able to maintain the same population as it did back then if it was released today.
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> . I’d argue that Halo 3 would be able to maintain the same population as it did back then if it was released today.
Around a million in todays fps jumble? Never
I’d really like this scenario to happen, so everyone can see how far from reality this theory is
If Halo 5 stayed top 5 for a whole year, I would be legitimately impressed. I would probably never question 343 again.
No I’m serious. I mean it this time 
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> > This question reflects a lot on the state of the gaming industry not just halo 5. I feel even halo 3 would have a hard time staying on top for long. But not because of the tough competition, more because we are in the mentality and age of getting a games, beating it, keeping it for a bit and trading it in for a new game.
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Lolll again I wasn’t taking shots at halo what i said is the majority of gamers now do not look for longevity. But hey onces MCC is up and running we will see where classic halo stands in this day and age