Why???

Games Other Halo
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Yes you might think, ‘omg another ranking system topic’ but hear me out.
What I cannot understand is why are you catering to the casual gamers and not the die-hard competitive ones the Halo competitive community is a Majority and not a Minority (hence why so many people watch MLG)? Halo’s 2 & 3 were the best games ever (imo) because of their ranking system, I still play Halo 3 hours on end because I want to get that 50! As soon as Bo2 comes out all of the casual gamers will play Halo about 5 times before the release of it and come back to it once every few weeks, Halo 4 will go downhill and be outplayed as soon as Bo2 is released, mark my words, why you ask?

Easy, visible ranking system, as sad as it sounds people thrive off the fact that the number next to your name means everything, which it did back in the day. Also back in the day Halo 3 was sometimes outplayed by CoD4 which were 2 of the best games out in it’s prime but now when you go on reach it’s struggling to get 70k players on and it’s not even comparing to Black ops which gets 120k on a good night. It’s because it doesn’t have that replay factor, I and many other people like myself go on reach play a few games of MLG, (the only fair gametype) and then go off because i’m not working towards anything that I can be proud of, even if it is just a number next to your name, (the longer you play reach the higher rank you will be).

I still don’t see what is wrong with having a RANKED Playlist and a SOCIAL Playlist? It easily separates the casuals from the competitive?

I’m not debating that Halo 4’s gameplay will be good online, it will because it looks good, but the fact that I am not working towards anything is a horrible feeling.

The reason people are comparing Halo 4 to CoD is simple,
1). The ranks are the same as CoD, you play a game and you have the ability to earn Exp and gain a level win or lose, which is making people believe they are good at the game because they are a higher rank.
2). You have the choice of guns, Halo 3 was the fairest game of all time, you start with the same weapons and you have to fight for the power weapons and even gain map control to get the spawns of the power weapons, but where has it all gone? Spartan Loadouts?!?!?! What is that?

I know for a fact that 343 won’t read this because they obviously don’t cater to the MAJORITY of the Halo fans, just the casuals who will write their pay-cheque every month.

I shall leave you with this one simple question.

If somebody is boosting your ranking system doesn’t that mean you have made a good ranking system? Nobody wants to boost a terrible ranking system where you can’t gain anything from it, not even bragging rights.

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> I know for a fact that 343 won’t read this because they obviously don’t cater to the MAJORITY of the Halo fans, just the casuals who will write their pay-cheque every month.

Casuals are the majority.

Try again.

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You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.

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> What I cannot understand is why are you catering to the casual gamers and not the die-hard competitive ones the Halo competitive community is a Majority and not a Minority (hence why so many people watch MLG)?

This AGAIN? Why the labelling? The sad thing is, you’re serious as well.

Sorry to say it mate but your “Majority” is very much the minority. Not as many people are into MLG as you think they are.

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> You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.

I think it’s you who have the misconception here. The definition of a casual player in Halo (or CoD, Battlefield, etc.) is a person that doesn’t care about ranks or winning/losing, what matters is a good and fun time playing, preferably with your friends. Then there are different shades of casual and competitive gamers, it’s not all black and white.

Saying that casual players can only enjoy Kinect and Guitar Hero games is very stereotypical.

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> You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.

You and I have a different definition for casual gamer.

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You are very correct about the ranking system. But complaining about the loudouts is stupid because its only in infinity slayer…

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> complaining about the loudouts is stupid because its only in infinity slayer…

Pretty much this.

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The MLG community still needs to grow… a lot to be considered anything close to majority.

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> You are very correct about the ranking system. But complaining about the loudouts is stupid because its only in infinity slayer…

The custom loadouts are not only in Infinity Slayer mate…

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> > You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.
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> I think it’s you who have the misconception here. The definition of a casual player in Halo (or CoD, Battlefield, etc.) is a person that doesn’t care about ranks or winning/losing, what matters is a good and fun time playing, preferably with your friends. Then there are different shades of casual and competitive gamers, it’s not all black and white.
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> Saying that casual players can only enjoy Kinect and Guitar Hero games is very stereotypical.

Wait, what? You accuse me of thinking the world is black and white when many people posting on these forums think there’s only “casual” or “competitive” gamers? I’d never thought I’d see someone using a term on me when I’ve been using that same term for the same reason.

and that what is a casual gamer, someone who doesn’t really care about gaming. Where they only play games once a blue moon, and that’s only when there’s nothing else for them to do.

Even wikipedia has this same description.
“A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited. Casual gamers tend to play games designed for ease of gameplay and don’t spend much time playing more involved games. The genres that casual gamers play vary, and they might not own a specific video game console to play their games.[4][5] Casual gaming demographics vary greatly from those of traditional video games, as the typical casual gamer is older and more predominantly female. One casual gamer subset is the “fitness gamer”, who plays motion-based exercise games.”

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https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126486_Rank-and-Social--Enough-Said.aspx
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126414_So-is-it-official--No-ranked-playlists.aspx
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126831_Serious-inquiry-about-visible-ranks.aspx
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126853_The-Ranking-System-Sucks.aspx
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126846_No-Skill-rank-system-which-isn-t-hidden.aspx
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst126780_What-s-the-Ideal-Ranking-System.aspx
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> > > You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.
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> > I think it’s you who have the misconception here. The definition of a casual player in Halo (or CoD, Battlefield, etc.) is a person that doesn’t care about ranks or winning/losing, what matters is a good and fun time playing, preferably with your friends. Then there are different shades of casual and competitive gamers, it’s not all black and white.
> >
> > Saying that casual players can only enjoy Kinect and Guitar Hero games is very stereotypical.
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> Wait, what? You accuse me of thinking the world is black and white when many people posting on these forums think there’s only “casual” or “competitive” gamers? I’d never thought I’d see someone using a term on me when I’ve been using that same term for the same reason.
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> and that what is a casual gamer, someone who doesn’t really care about gaming. Where they only play games once a blue moon, and that’s only when there’s nothing else for them to do.
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> Even wikipedia has this same description.
> “A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited. Casual gamers tend to play games designed for ease of gameplay and don’t spend much time playing more involved games. The genres that casual gamers play vary, and they might not own a specific video game console to play their games.[4][5] Casual gaming demographics vary greatly from those of traditional video games, as the typical casual gamer is older and more predominantly female. One casual gamer subset is the “fitness gamer”, who plays motion-based exercise games.”

I describe myself as a casual gamer and I’ve been playing games pretty much all my life, the thing is I don’t take ranks and winning as seriously as others might. I may not be “100% casual” by the definition of others, but that’s how I describe myself, just looking for some fun.

I agree that this forum is very much into the mindset of “competitive vs casual” and it needs to stop, your earlier post just seemed like you were one of those people and I apologize for thinking so because clearly you have better insight in the matter.

The description you provided from Wikipedia sums up the extreme side of casual gamers in a more general term. When you put it in the context of Halo for example then you get a much different type of casual gamer. Take me for example, I play games in pretty much all my free time and I play for very long sessions, plus I’m not female and fairly young, pretty much the opposite description of Wikipedia’s. The point I’m trying to make is that the casual gamer can’t be crammed into one genre of gaming, despite what statistics say.

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> I describe myself as a casual gamer and I’ve been playing games pretty much all my life, the thing is I don’t take ranks and winning as seriously as others might. I may not be “100% casual” by the definition of others, but that’s how I describe myself, just looking for some fun.
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> I agree that this forum is very much into the mindset of “competitive vs casual” and it needs to stop, your earlier post just seemed like you were one of those people and I apologize for thinking so because clearly you have better insight in the matter.
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> The description you provided from Wikipedia sums up the extreme side of casual gamers in a more general term. When you put it in the context of Halo for example then you get a much different type of casual gamer. Take me for example, I play games in pretty much all my free time and I play for very long sessions, plus I’m not female and fairly young, pretty much the opposite description of Wikipedia’s. The point I’m trying to make is that the casual gamer can’t be crammed into one genre of gaming, despite what statistics say.

I still wouldn’t call you a casual gamer. There are other terms or labels you can use. Wikipedia even has one for “Mid-Core Gamer”.
“A core or mid-core gamer is a player with a wide range of interests and enthusiast toward creative and diverse games,[9] but without the amount of time spent and sense of competition of a hardcore gamer. The mid-core gamer enjoys complex games but won’t buy every novel release, doesn’t have time for long games,[10] and is a target consumer [11] that needs features not found in games for the other types.”

There are always variables but also more then two terms for everyone to fit under.

There are people who are aware that winning isn’t everything but I believe that the majority of players who are not stat padders or griefers are always playing to win. The dedication or aggressiveness they may have to winning can be different, but everybody does have the same goal.

If not, then why isn’t there a “limitless” gametype? One with no objectives, no max score, and a time limit ranging from 15 minutes or up to an hour? It can’t be that simple, there’s no goal to achieve, I doubt many people outside stat padding would want to play in a gametype like that, one that feels like it’s just dragging on and on.

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> You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.

someone only plays on easy…

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> > You have a misconception about “casual players”. They’re most likely not interested in Halo and are more interested in Kinect games or Guitar Hero. The most they get out of videogames is laughing with their friends during a party playing Dance Central.
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> someone only plays on easy…

Rock Band 2 had a Trueskill ranking system.

Just saying…

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well, maybe 343 would read this if you emailed this message to employees…or at least have a better chance…

Posting this statement on a forum where there are thousands of fanboys ready to fight you to the death will only end in a stalemate and the thread being buried. Every thread like this ends the same. You go against the game, a fanboy replies for it. The two of you start debating, and more people join in. Then it goes to flaming. Once it’s at the flaming stage, you all reach a stalemate and the thread gets buried.

Nothing gets accomplished except that people get to let of steam…

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> > I know for a fact that 343 won’t read this because they obviously don’t cater to the MAJORITY of the Halo fans, just the casuals who will write their pay-cheque every month.
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> Casuals are the majority.
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> Try again.

Casuals may be the majority but MOST people want a ranking system.

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> Casuals are the majority.
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> Try again.

The true majority are ones that are indifferent, and are just gonna play the game.

The real minority(even less than players who want a ranking system) are the competitive-hating community.

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lol H3 fairest and fighting for power weapons…you even have to fight your team mates for them. There’s nothing more irritating than going to grab the shotty and some -Yoink- on your team back stabs you because he thinks he can do better with it.