Why you Shouldn't Be Complaining

The complaints and the focus of 343 are not matching up correctly from my perspective.

Right now the focus has been Forge. To me it was a great success. The Halo 5 Forge community is booming along with the competitive one as Halo 5 stands. People begged for a more competitive Halo experience and when we got it people say it’s too competitive or there’s too big of a skill gap. The people who realize this system actually works are the ones having a blast with their friends/teams.

Dedicated Servers have worked well since launch. Warzone is a great implementation that also worked well since launch. The BR works great. The DMR is like it should be as a long ranged rifle. Every weapon’s balance feels nearly perfect. It’s about gameplay not about getting something new every 5 minutes. It hasn’t been out terribly long and we already got great FREE content including although delayed, an epic Forge.

The custom games coming from Forge have been excellent! Play some customs with people and have FUN! What is this a job?! Halo was never singurlarly about getting or unlocking new things. It was always about having fun. With all the incredible remakes being made with Forge you should be excited because you can play them right now! Have you seen the Terminal remake? How about The Pit? They’re unreal! How can you not be happy about that?!

This is going to be the first months content update. It’s not going to be a major game changer by any means just yet. That will happen down the line. Just be patient and find people to have fun with because it is more than possible. Patience is a virtue as they say.

343 have been waiting to transfer to a new studio for some time now and that actually just happened. That was one of the major issues with MCC being poorly developed. MCC was essentially created to generate a quick profit for resources toward the new studio. People don’t take the time to consider the true logistics of a game companies situation or that Microsoft has a lot to do with their financial decisions. That is the exact reason why Bungie became their own private company with creating Destiny.

Tell me if you think it is wrong to be so lenient with 343. They are owned by Microsoft. Which means a lot if you take the time to understand that. They are basically a new company. Many people will say that it’s no excuse but honestly in my opinion in certainly is. It’s not really an excuse because it’s basically just how this aspect of society works realisticly. It’s unrealistic to give such a heavy weight to 343 and then expect them to throw it a 100 miles. They’re taking flack but it will better them in the end. Besides, most of the complaints are just whining anyway. They’re not even real complaints.

It ends with the simple facts. The facts are it works great, runs great and most of all plays great.
The point is is that my opinion of Halo 5 is a good one. Everything that Halo was and continues to evolve to be is how it should be. The weapons are great. The maps are decent to great. The new mechanics are flawlessly integrated into multiplayer that makes it play as good as it had 10 years ago.

Most of this is my opinion yes but the rest is unanimous. I needed to get this out there because I’m sick of huge threads dedicated to hating on things that are basically trivial at this point in gaming, especially Halo. I’ve been playing Halo since CE and played PC too. I’m a Halo veteran and I enjoy Halo 5 intensely. I don’t even know this early in the updates what more you could ask for… They have barely revealed anything huge yet but you know they’re going to.

So that about wraps up my two cents on the matter of all the complaints. I hope you can take my thoughts and expectations into consideration before going all “I deserve the world” from 343i.

Thanks, Static

I love Halo 5, the weapon balance is near perfect and I think Warzone was a great addition to Halo. But not having Oddball, Infection, KoTH and Race has upset the community and for a good reason. Halo 5 is an awesome game, but it needs more. I think one of the reasons it’s taking 343 so long to get the modes out is because they have to acclimate them to the Spartan Abilities, especially Infection.

I’m not complaining I’m happy we have a proper ranking system and dedicated servers that’s what I wanted more then anything. Looking forward to new maps and don’t really care that they are remixes because they are free. Halo 4 DLC maps were nice but because no one brought them we never got to play them and it sucked for us that did buy them.

I think that Halo 5 is great, but we’re all parched for more content. They haven’t added any permanent playlists since launch, and there have been only temporary weekend/holiday playlists. Why can’t we get a simple social playlist? Why can’t they add action sack or infection? I want to know what’s stopping them.

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> I think that Halo 5 is great, but we’re all parched for more content. They haven’t added any permanent playlists since launch, and there have been only temporary weekend/holiday playlists. Why can’t we get a simple social playlist? Why can’t they add action sack or infection? I want to know what’s stopping them.

Me too, it’s confusing that they’ve had Doubles multiple times as a limited time playlist but they haven’t just made it permanent yet.

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> They haven’t added any permanent playlists since launch, and there have been only temporary weekend/holiday playlists. Why can’t we get a simple social playlist? Why can’t they add action sack or infection? I want to know what’s stopping them.

Properly because the population is too low in some parts of the world. We have playlists here in Australia that just don’t work at certain times of the day.

So…

-the game ships with least amount of content ever…

-content that should have been in the original release is slowly being trickled out as “Free DLC”…

-Meanwhile, a microtransactions based gametype is introduced for the first time ever in the series, at launch, and (surprise) it is hogging the lion’s share of new content in the “Free DLC” updates…

… And this isn’t worth complaining about? Really?

> Right now the focus has been Forge. To me it was a great success. The Halo 5 Forge community is booming along with the competitive one as Halo 5 stands.

There is no public file browser like we had in 2010 (6 years ago) nor a way to download maps from the internet or from people you aren’t friends with like we had almost a decade ago. The Forge community is not booming. The vast majority of Halo 5 users do not even know how to download a map. The vast majority of Halo 5 users have never seen a cool Forge map. That is a failure. Halo 3 (2007) had featured files built into the main menu that updated frequently, and you could download files from their
website in like 2 seconds. Forge has gone backwards. It has more features and functionality, but is utterly useless. Content is only as valuable as it is discoverable.

> It hasn’t been out terribly long and we already got great FREE content

“Free” is not a real thing, holy -Yoink-. You got content that would’ve otherwise been planned to be included in the game at launch accompanied by paid DLC later. Literally, there is a net difference of zero in terms of a money to content ratio. The only difference is in the end there will be less net content for the money you’ve paid.

> The custom games coming from Forge have been excellent! Play some customs with people and have FUN! What is this a job?! Halo was never singurlarly about getting or unlocking new things. It was always about having fun. With all the incredible remakes being made with Forge you should be excited because you can play them right now! Have you seen the Terminal remake? How about The Pit? They’re unreal! How can you not be happy about that?!

The custom games and forge variants are not being shared at large due to a lack of a medium to share on. You are a minority. I’m glad you’re having fun with it, but most Halo players don’t even know these things exist. This is sad, and the situation was better in Halo 3 almost a -Yoinking!- decade ago. Stop giving this amateur company excuses.

> Just be patient and find people to have fun with because it is more than possible. Patience is a virtue as they say.

343 hasn’t included a public file browser since they’ve controlled Halo. That’s 3 full Halo games. People are tired of hearing “Coming Soon” from 343, and they’re even more tired of others who are getting scammed by 343 simultaneously being apologists for them. Patience didn’t get rid of armor abilities, complaining did. Patience didn’t get rid of slow movement speed, complaining did. Just waiting will not do anything but provide an excuse for 343 to cut more corners and neglect more features.

> The facts are it works great, runs great and most of all plays great.

Those are some strange facts. Tell me, what is the objective qualifier for something to be “great”?

> Tell me if you think it is wrong to be so lenient with 343. They are owned by Microsoft. Which means a lot if you take the time to understand that. They are basically a new company. Many people will say that it’s no excuse but honestly in my opinion in certainly is.

343 is a self-declared super team of developers. They should be outshining Bungie in every single way imaginable, and they very likely have a much higher budget than Bungie was ever allowed.

> Besides, most of the complaints are just whining anyway. They’re not even real complaints.

LOL, what constitutes as a “real” complaint. Holy no true scottsman.

> Most of this is my opinion yes but the rest is unanimous. I needed to get this out there because I’m sick of huge threads dedicated to hating on things that are basically trivial at this point in gaming, especially Halo. I’ve been playing Halo since CE and played PC too. I’m a Halo veteran and I enjoy Halo 5 intensely. I don’t even know this early in the updates what more you could ask for… They have barely revealed anything huge yet but you know they’re going to.

Do you have any real data that suggests that this is unanimous as you say? (No you don’t.)

You could ask for the game to be planned on being completed when it came out to allow for additional content in the months after, rather than releasing half of a game and release a fourth of it over a period of, what, 6 months?

The gameplay isn’t the problem. It’s the amount of content that’s lacking.

You aren’t allowed to criticize complainers or the mods that disagree will lock your thread.

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> The gameplay isn’t the problem. It’s the amount of content that’s lacking.

This is the issue. absolutely.

It seems for most the game plays just fine. The issue is that the gameplay is relegated to only a few gametypes.

Warzone- an awesome idea of BtB meets moba-esque match progression- falls short for only having… what? four maps? and only 2 different modes. It could have been a larger more objective driven mode that more fully integrated the enemy AI. Imagine having to defeat a boss, steal its fusion core, get away from the opposing team to score and gain access to a cache of reqs usable in that match!

meh… gameplay isnt the issue. its the lack of things to do…

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> You aren’t allowed to criticize complainers or the mods that disagree will lock your thread.

Then it’s a matter of who the “you” is directed towards. So in that case I am not worried.

It is just my opinion of why the complaints are an oblivious attempt at whining and how I just want to set things straight even if it’s by a tiny margin. That includes getting the opinions of people who can agree that creating the same threads about “game modes” is not substantial enough. Instead this collects the opinions of people who can agree that Halo 5 is a good game but that it just needs a little more.

I don’t want to seem elitist but I feel as if my critiques of Halo 5 are accurate considering I have been a fan since the first games. Who knows maybe Halo IS dying but not because of what it’s lacking but because of what it’s lacking as well as the community is lacking.

In this day and age people are looking for more gratification than fun. That takes away from what Halo is meant to be in the onset. Meaning that finding friends to play customs or matchmade games with is no longer the sole purpose of Halo.

Personally what I want 343 to do is release a true to form Server Browser for customs in the future. That will bring back everyone imo. I’m sure many would agree on that.

For now it is about being patient with what we have and what we have is enough. It is enough if you like Halo. It’s a sandbox game, not a gratification game like COD. If you have people to play with, it’s fun. Even if you don’t have people to play with it’s still at least to me, enjoyable.

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> > You aren’t allowed to criticize complainers or the mods that disagree will lock your thread.
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> Then it’s a matter of who the “you” is directed towards. So in that case I am not worried.
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> It is just my opinion of why the complaints are an oblivious attempt at whining and how I just want to set things straight even if it’s by a tiny margin. That includes getting the opinions of people who can agree that creating the same threads about “game modes” is not substantial enough. Instead this collects the opinions of people who can agree that Halo 5 is a good game but that it just needs a little more.
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> I don’t want to seem elitist but I feel as if my critiques of Halo 5 are accurate considering I have been a fan since the first games. Who knows maybe Halo IS dying but not because of what it’s lacking but because of what it’s lacking as well as the community is lacking.
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> In this day and age people are looking for more gratification than fun. That takes away from what Halo is meant to be in the onset. Meaning that finding friends to play customs or matchmade games with is no longer the sole purpose of Halo.
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> Personally what I want 343 to do is release a true to form Server Browser for customs in the future. That will bring back everyone imo. I’m sure many would agree on that.
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> For now it is about being patient with what we have and what we have is enough. It is enough if you like Halo. It’s a sandbox game, not a gratification game like COD. If you have people to play with, it’s fun. Even if you don’t have people to play with it’s still at least to me, enjoyable.

No I 100% agree with you, but I once made a thread claiming that people who jump on here just to throw non-productive criticism at the game were hurting the community. It was locked before we got to 2 pages.

The topic at hand winds up boiling down to whether or not YOU as a player think that the game was initially worth $60. Some will claim it isn’t, and that they are getting ripped off. Fair, but it doesn’t make the updates cost any more money even if you think that the game wasn’t worth the price you paid. The fact that so many people intertwine these arguments confuses me. Sure, you could argue that the content was supposed to be there before, but we are STILL getting it for free. Point being that the arguments need to be separate in order to get the desired effect.

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> > The gameplay isn’t the problem. It’s the amount of content that’s lacking.
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> This is the issue. absolutely.
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> It seems for most the game plays just fine. The issue is that the gameplay is relegated to only a few gametypes.
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> Warzone- an awesome idea of BtB meets moba-esque match progression- falls short for only having… what? four maps? and only 2 different modes. It could have been a larger more objective driven mode that more fully integrated the enemy AI. Imagine having to defeat a boss, steal its fusion core, get away from the opposing team to score and gain access to a cache of reqs usable in that match!
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> meh… gameplay isnt the issue. its the lack of things to do…

I’m going to be honest, that sounds awesome. Like extra mini objectives to accomplish in Warzone. You should actually flesh that out and make a whole thread about that.

Like I said, the things to do outside of a matchmade environment is about having people to play customs with. There are an obscene amount of great customs out there right now that are a blast.

Here’s a couple right now that are so fun to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSE9lIogTIw

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> > Then it’s a matter of who the “you” is directed towards. So in that case I am not worried.
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> > It is just my opinion of why the complaints are an oblivious attempt at whining and how I just want to set things straight even if it’s by a tiny margin. That includes getting the opinions of people who can agree that creating the same threads about “game modes” is not substantial enough. Instead this collects the opinions of people who can agree that Halo 5 is a good game but that it just needs a little more.
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> > I don’t want to seem elitist but I feel as if my critiques of Halo 5 are accurate considering I have been a fan since the first games. Who knows maybe Halo IS dying but not because of what it’s lacking but because of what it’s lacking as well as the community is lacking.
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> > In this day and age people are looking for more gratification than fun. That takes away from what Halo is meant to be in the onset. Meaning that finding friends to play customs or matchmade games with is no longer the sole purpose of Halo.
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> > Personally what I want 343 to do is release a true to form Server Browser for customs in the future. That will bring back everyone imo. I’m sure many would agree on that.
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> > For now it is about being patient with what we have and what we have is enough. It is enough if you like Halo. It’s a sandbox game, not a gratification game like COD. If you have people to play with, it’s fun. Even if you don’t have people to play with it’s still at least to me, enjoyable.
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> No I 100% agree with you, but I once made a thread claiming that people who jump on here just to throw non-productive criticism at the game were hurting the community. It was locked before we got to 2 pages.
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> The topic at hand winds up boiling down to whether or not YOU as a player think that the game was initially worth $60. Some will claim it isn’t, and that they are getting ripped off. Fair, but it doesn’t make the updates cost any more money even if you think that the game wasn’t worth the price you paid. The fact that so many people intertwine these arguments confuses me. Sure, you could argue that the content was supposed to be there before, but we are STILL getting it for free. Point being that the arguments need to be separate in order to get the desired effect.

My argument is for friendly lobbies/custom games and that Forge and customs should be enough. The rest is to explain why there might not be more in Halo 5 and why it’s acceptable that there isn’t based on 343’s situation.

Why can’t people have fun in friendly lobbies like Halo 2 and 3 anymore is my question.

This thread has taught me what I need to know from the post. Just let it die. Thanks you guys for the feedback. Also I loved that idea for Warzone.