It isn’t a cheap gimmick here, as there is a huge conflict in aesthetic direction between the two universes. 4 and 5 have completely different looking creatures than Reach and Infinite.
Its not dribble, you just have no counter argument and refuse to answer, I have two honnest tipps for you
- Differenciate youre opinion from from facts. Something isnt bad just because you dont like it, numbers and statistics dont change through opinions. Youre Opinions are VALID but dont define anything else.
- Actually read the books, dont watch poor youtube summarys. You clearly have some lore bits wrong, that isnt bad. If you really want to proof youre point check first if youe are right and dont throw out false lore followed by undermining someone else who tries to help you.
You know that Halo first strike was the third book in the series? (Fall of reach, the flood, Firststrike) Firststrike play s between Halo 1 and 2.(the way you formed your sentece made it sound like First strike took place before Halo 1) How did he lose thrusters you say were incorperated in the armor?
The thrusters used in Fall of reach werent build in the suit, they litterly say in the boock “grab a thruster pack and go EVA” “even a thruster pack to maneuvre in space” “man in EVA thruster packs were cutting…” “Make sure everyone gets a thruster pack” To qoute Ghosts of Onyx:
“System check thrusters.”
Kurt ran his own diagnostic. They couldn’t take any chances with the packs. Designed for
long-range deep-space operations, it was one of the riskiest pieces of equipment they’d been
trained on. Even with triple redundancy in NAV system and stabilizers, one accident and
there was enough compressed tri-amino hydrazine in the double fuel tanks to propel you so
far and so fast off course, rescue would be an astronomically remote possibility."
They were optional equipment used for special situations like low gravity and demed to be really dangerous because they were fragile and could easylly be destroyed through radiation or gun damage, in fall of reach they are warned by mendesz that if something happens there is no chance of rescue. The build-in variant was first used by the Mjolnir generation 2 armor wich was intreduced in Halo 4.
Yes I know the lore, I read every book, I have both Halo encyclopedia at my left right now. You just miss remember it. You could have checked it and just backpaddle, now you try to make a fool out of me even thou im right, this doesnt make you look good at all.
No games shouldnt be soley based arround the lore, that would lead to problems and to bad game design, if you did everything 100% acording to lore you end with games that just arent fun.
Halo 5 at launch: No king of the hill, no odball, no btb(after arrival, only forge maps), no infection, no grifball and no social slayer and most of them didnt appear for 18 MONTHS (Infinite has ranked, social and btb, with slayer, odd ball, a king of the hill (and even more) type mode and more is going to be patched in one WEEK after launch)
No weapon tuning for almost 18 months.
Did you skipp launch and perhaps the first two years of Halo 5?
IMO most people would say Halo 5 was a good to mediocre shooter with a great movement system, but a bad Halo. Players expect Halo and Halo 5 just wasnt it for the majority.
More weapons isnt equal to better game, where is the point in dmr, br, light rifle and carabine if all do the same thing, same goes for ar, saw and mp. This many weapon variants are unnecessary and overcrowd the game, it makes balancing harder, and left alot weapons useless or worse in comparison.
This leads to my next point on higher ranking matches only three gun types were used for the most time, Br,/dmr type of guns, the pistol (wich was used as THE primery gun) and power weapons, high level player s wouldnt touch anything else. But yes “Balance” is a pistol outdamaging a AR in close quarters…
Ith how strong the pistol is, why would you swap it? You dont, thats why Halo 5s multiplayer is a pistol feast.
Halo 5s pistol didnt take that much skill, it was one of the best weapons in the game, nobody used the AR instead of it. You used the Pistol as long as you didnt get the BR or one of its 20 brothers.
Other than that nothing changed, every match would play the exact same way, with no possibility for variations. Only and always having the same options gets you in the same situations on repeat.
Now before you answer again, open Halo fall of reach, first strike and ghosts of onyx and give me the exact page on wich it is stated that mjolnier armour (except EVA since it was made move low orbit missions) before gen 2 (Halo 4) had thrusters build within them. I made the effort, went back to two of them and gave you QOUTES that clearly define what you said (I didnt find anyone using thrusters in first strike besides ships and one elite). Dont assume that someone didnt read the books, when you are clearly in the wrong.
I take time to go through everything you said and point out stuff you may overlook, give you context as of why halo 5 wasnt liked as much as you think, just to give you a chance to understand some design decisions from 343. You can Ignore everything but dont be disrespectfull about it. Just try to get a diffrent view and new perspective.
I can go into detail why Halo 5 wasnt liked by the majority multiplayerwise if you want, this post is long enough already. Just know. Not the majority of players liked the multiplayer thats why we are back to classic halo, periot. Thats a fact, otherwise we would have the same movement in Infinite, its that easy.
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Reread your entire post and put the name Halo infnite and you’ll see what your defending is laughable.
The fact that you don’t read is why I’m not even taking you seriously. I never said they were built in his suit. I said he used them to fight . WHICH HE DID. so bye bye. Your opinion means nothing if your not ganna pay attention
Halo should have just stayed dormant after Reach/Legends.
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Or there should’ve been. A proper Halo 4 from Bungie.
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They sidelined everything from the story(most actually) from halo 4. its only accurate to do the same now. H5 is mostly forgettable. The only thing good is the h5 forge. and after infinite gets forge its gonna yoink on h5 one mark my words. and i doubt h5 is even gonna have 1000 players at most then. If you say its old not gonna have many people then see mcc. Again you gonna say its on more platforms then go and see h3 population for steam. has much more than 5. all this sums that h5 failed in almost every aspect.
You mentioned h2. Ok in halo 2 you play half the game as arbiter and half as master chief. Now see 5 you play 3 missions as chief and rest as locke. locke has no where near intresting character arc as arbiter nor story. so yeah its only good actually better to sideline it. and dont even get me started on its gameplay mechanics
The game is already worse than Halo 5. The forge will be no better.
Look no further than the custom game settings we get on launch compared to the ones we got on launch with Halo 5
Halo 5 was a good game, but it was a bad Halo, if it weren’t tied to such a huge franchise, it would have done pretty well imo
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Yeah, I was watching some gameplay videos of Halo 5, and I was thinking, “If it wasn’t for that art style that everything has and the REQ packs, it probably would have done a lot better”.
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have you eve looked at the people playing forge from the flights? h5 forge gonna be nothing. you h5 kids will do anything to defend h5
Halo 5 forge as it sits is better than any forge. You can cry all you want but that’s the truth. Who knows what state the forge will be in when infinite forge launches so you speaking on how good it is means nothing. It could be broken on launch for all we know.
Not a Halo 5 kid. In fact I’m probably older than you. I’ve been playing Halo for over 15 years. Veteran Halo player. I remember the days the classic halos launched. You know when games actually released comeplete.
I would gladly take classic Halo over what infinite is any day.
And knowing the surrounding details doesn’t make it any better.
I’d take confusion over the nonstop disappointment that was Halo 5’s prologue.
You know what, youre right, I shouldt have fed the troll.
You said that, but you know my points about Halo 5 are right, otherwise you could have defended it (It was worse than Infinite at launch and that for almost 2 years). By this point its clear youre just jumping on Infinite for the laughs of it. You just choose to ignore how bad 5 was because youre a Halo 5 fan. Thats ok the game was decent have fun with it.
Why would I care about anything you mentioned just so you can prove a point thats wrong?
I went back and gave you quotes after checking the books, you could have done that too, now Im gonna read everything you said carefully now before answearing, because:
No he didnt, in fact nobody did fight with thruster until 343 took over in the Books,
Fall of Reach: after James goes MIA, Linda is leaving her thruster because she wanted to avoid using it in Battle only to go MIA aswell. After that nobody used it to fight for that Book.
Ghosts of Onyx: Kurt used the Thruster to stay in position after firing a gun in space. After that, thruster werent used in Fights
First Strike: Oh guess what, nobody except Elites (and Vehicles) uses any sort of Thrusters in that book.
Now that was just a bit wrong wasnt it, it was mostly used by side Charakters and Nobody used them to fight. You made it sound like it was Spartan standart equippment, it sounded like you thought they were build in. Maybe you were thinking that and had this excuse handy, still I might misunderstood you. Wich changes nothing, My quotes confirm that thrusters werent meant for combat and it is a fact that nobody used them to fight in the early books (especially not Chief in all of them).
control + F is a beautifull combo to search pdf´s in a short amound of time for the few uses of thrusters.
I told you to look it up before answearing. Honest recomendation, Read the Halo Novels, they are actually good, yes even the old ones that arent using Thrusters in battle.
And my Favourit thing about all this is: You say you care about the Story and wanted a proper Ending for Halo 5, Yet you didnt even really play it:
Why did you make such a drama in the beginning of youre post about a Story that you didnt really seem to care for?
The most Frustrating thing of all about you telling me to read the Books is you admitting to not really having read the Books (atleast not the ones before 5) youreself:
You want to tell me about liking the story and the charkters about Halo 5 but only bother to read the comics
Maybe someday you are going to read the books and see that youre points were wrong, I can only hope so, If youre a Halo fan youre in for a treat.
But hey maybe I am wrong and you have a page number and qoute that show me that im wrong, you know, pick up the books and confirm if youre right about the lore, Like I just did, I know im right because i looked it up, can you say that about youre posts?
I hope you will be able to see Halo Infinite as a new Halo game and not Halo 5 2.0. I think a lot of youre critisism comes from false expectations. I hope you will find some enjoyment in Halo Infinite, and if not then maybe in the MCC, Halo 5 or just in the next game. Im at this point not sure if you are just a Troll or a really big Halo 5 fan. Since I doubt you are actually trying to open the books to prove youre point, im gonna say farewell, have a good day
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The campagin was bad. The reqs were bad. The no forge was bad. I’m aware of Halo 5s faults. My point is. Infnite REPEATED those faults AGAIN. But this time there is no forge AND no co op. So yeah. I’m ganna compare Halo 5 to it. OBVIOUSLY
Just because I don’t like the campgain doesn’t mean I don’t want a proper ending to it. If a tv show was on and I didn’t like the episode before the season finale why would want to not watch the last episode ?
I rather proper told stories AT LEAST then good ones that confuse the story line. They couldve properly wrapped up Halo 5 with Halo 6 and then love on to infnite. But no. They lied.
Also. Your definitely trying to stir the pot with the book thing. You know that they were in first strike. Stop acting like they weren’t. And he DID loose them before CE.
I did forget tho. You were a waste of time. Ur lucky you even got this response
I’d totally be on board with removing sprint and adding thruster instead. It feels good in Doom.
Yessssssss. Yessss.
They already tried this already in a halo 5 playlist too.
Idk why they didn’t AT LEAST base infinite off that.
Doom gameplay is goat. I wish it had proper multiplayer
Man that’s how I’ve felt since Halo 4, Halo 5 and now again pretty much with Infinite. Been a decade since I’ve played a new Halo campaign that reminds me of my favourite games… Personally I would rather the prometheans gone and forgotten about, hate their design, hated fighting them. Couldn’t care less what happened to them, but the Banished are pretty cool having all the OG covenant enemies just reskinned and some good old fashioned gameplay woulda been wayyy better than the open world, god mode abilities and home hubs.
343 made a complete mess that they’ll never clean up because of the decisions they made with Halo 4 and 5. None of us will ever be happy now, probably. Sucks for all of us.
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“Sigh” No they arent, I know taht 100% just look it up, would it reallly take that long? I looked at every part that mentioned thrust and thruster in the mentioned books, As I wrote, they didnt appear in first strike and nobody used thom in fights. You dont have to belive me, I know you dont anyway right now. But pleas look it up before you go on and make others thing it did.
Ok I get that, I can work with that, the whole reason I think that Infinite is in a better spot is because of the fast actions of support from 343, They already added game modes after just a week in Infinite, we waited months for that in 5? we have bigger and faster support than ever, thats why I think Halo Infinite is in a better spot, the other stuff is coming back to, yes its annoying we have to wait for it in the first place, but I would argue that 5 was actuallly better at launch.
I dont think they lied on that part, the start at the Ring was Logicall after Halo wars 2, They had a huge jump between Halo 1 and 2 aswell however, we would never argue about that story would we?, At this point its just preference, you didnt like it, I did and am ok with filling the blanks with books, I know not everyone agrees with that, But I think Halo Infinites writing won from that decision.
Call me a waste of time, I just want to have a discussion and want to help you with wrong Lore bits. Im not fighting you. What I said about thruster is true, im not forcing it, you have the posibillity to look it up for yourself.
I just care alot about the lore, I get invested in the books and terminals, it is important to me. think about that what you will
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You think we’re sitting in a better place because you think they are listening faster than before?
Is that it? You got a lot of trust in them. Basic playlists that should’ve been there at launch isn’t “listening” it’s doing the bare minimum.
Also they did lie. There was a Livestream on the launch of Halo 5 where Phil Spencer was saying they were working on the next game already. In the early months of Halo 5 they called this the reclaimer saga. Everything was setup for it and they ripped it all away behind our backs. They didn’t even tell you they scraped it until years later. So yes. They lied. They said they were going to do one thing. And they didn’t. Is that not lying or am I going crazy here?
No. Convos like this are important. I hope 343 reads this and sees how passionate we are about Halo
Maybe I just don’t remember. I read the books 6 years ago right before Halo 5s launch and I KEENLY remember the thruster pack being a huge part of how he moved around and they he did loose them at some point. Even if I end up being wrong about the specifics, “thrusters” are for a fact in halo.
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Yes I actually somewhat do, changes within a week are nothing we should underestimate, They could have Ignored us but they choose not to. Halo 5 and Infinite had really equall realeses. Everything we are getting should have been in for realese and Monitization needs ALOT of work, same with customisation.
Support is better and faster than 5 back then with the month long wait, and better then everywhere else, looking at AAA shooters right now (wich isnt a good argument, thats just sad for us players). We definetly have to keep critisizing. This game could have been bigger. I just hope that they continue updating and working with the community. If not than I dont think this game is going to live long either. As for now im just eager to see how long we have to wait for forge, coop etc.
I do get that is the bare minimum, I expected more aswell, however we really shouldnt disregard efforts either. Adjusting the exp system, event reward and playlists, Yes none them should have been the way we got them, However with games and developers nowedays, we can agree that it could be much worse, with no Communication and again, month long waits for updates. but for now thay listen and act. With what ive seen so far:
Yes I trust 343
for now
Ask me next month and depending on them I may change that opinion
I for my part have alot of fun with the gameplay (for the first time, in a long time) so far. But that is just my Opinion, that doesnt mean much. And im not going to excuses the problems we have with Infinite, because there are problems. Lets Keep up the critisism, The things they are doing good and we Like, aswell as the things that need to change asap together with the stuff that shouldnt had made it in, in the first place, the way it did
Tbh I didnt feel Like there ever was a reclaimer saga to begin with. I know they stated that, and its obvious they wanted to start something big with 4. However there are some reasons to think about why there never was a plan. The connection from 4-5 was lackluster, even with escalation protocoll etc. However we know for a fact that Halo 5 writers had no Idea who the chief was. They wanted to do and start something new with locke. this alone makes it hard to believe in a conherent story. But they did cut and change alot aswell. After 4 there were no Didact or forerunner ties (we jumped to: prometheans are controlled by somebody else, and Cortana is set up as the big Villain at the end, alot of plot just feels rushed, and most points went nowhere. And of course they were lying, that was the big problem alot had with hunt the truth. Alot was just for nothing.
Amen
Yes but as I stated basiclly only for stuff like low gravity missions, mostly for positioneing and propelling. The moment a fight was about to happen, those things were useless (even dangerous). So definetly not in the Halo 4 and 5 way. They just equipped them when it was really necessary, thats why he never had and used one on other occasions, like in Halo CE.
Yea I know those books are old, I feel that. However the newer books mention use like in 4 and 5, maybe some storys just mixed up after all that time.