I read Cryptum, I got most of the way through Primordium, and haven’t read the silentium yet. But for the life of me I can never figure out why the Forerunners as a whole were always so bitter? I mean they put a 15 year old emo to shame.
Here is a pattern in Forerunner problem solving that proves my point.
Problem-
The primordials create the their sorry butts but don’t give them mantle of responsibility because of how reckless they are.
Solution-
KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE MANTLE DO THE SORTING!
Problem-
Do to a misunderstanding. Humanity and the San’Syuum never told the Forerunners they were exterminating flood worlds that had civilians on them.
Solution-
KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE MANTLE DO THE SORTING!
Problem-
The Didact comes back to see Humans are still alive after a hundred thousand years
Solution-
Melt the poor people of New Phoenix till they got error404 codes of death
See the pattern? Forerunners are always super aggressive in their problem solving.
Maybe it is a power thing. like they think they are top dogs in the galaxy, so when they are not given the mantle, they choose to take it by force to show how big and bad they are. Now that i think about it, next to all of the problems were caused by the forerunners inept actions.
The concept of the Forerunners is to show government run amok. They start out as a Bureaucracy with several different entities having some controlling say in major decisions which leads to the inability to make decisions because of stalemate , then Totalitarianism that leads to Fabers’ corruptive leadership , then Fatalism (not actually a form of government , but might as well have been for them) that leads to the firing of the Halos. It really is an example of inept leadership and prideful decision making , which we get an even better example of once the Didact is released.
At least this is what I got from reading the books , maybe wrong. As I have said before , I tend to miss the forest for the trees.
To be completely fair, the only one that makes any reasonable sense that I agree with you is the fact that they battled and beat the Precursors. It has been awhile since I read the Forerunners trilogy, so I may be forgetting details, but that part always felt a bit rushed to me (could have been fleshed out more story-wise to give Forerunners a bit more motivation for their anger other than they weren’t the inheritors of the Mantle).
As for them attacking humanity, I’d say that’s reasonable since humanity was ‘cleansing’ their planets. That is not peaceful by any means, and in fact, the Lord of Admirals dismisses the opportunity in one terminal cutscene where an office asks if he wishes to contact the planet as the Flood has only a tiny presence on the planet.
Additionally, the Didact was supposed to have contact with the Domain for his sentence in the cryptum, yet for obvious reasons, he doesn’t have that. It was meant to ‘heal’ his mind with the end goal of helping humanity upon his awakening, yet without the Domain, his mind is as twisted as ever and uncured from the logic plague instilled in him during the Forerunner Trilogy.
Just saying… as a species, the Forerunners could have been more humble, yet they had reasons for some of their actions.
I think the Forerunners felt that the Mantle must be “taken” from it’s current holders. That might be why they fought the Precursors. After that, they probably didn’t want to lose power as a result of giving up the Mantle.
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> I read Cryptum, I got most of the way through Primordium, and haven’t read the Silentium yet. But for the life of me I can never figure out why the Forerunners as a whole were always so bitter? I mean they put a 15 year old emo to shame.
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> Here is a pattern in Forerunner problem solving that proves my point.
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> Problem-
> The primordials create the their sorry butts but don’t give them mantle of responsibility because of how reckless they are.
> Solution-
> KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE MANTLE DO THE SORTING!
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> Problem-
> Do to a misunderstanding. Humanity and the San’Shyuum never told the Forerunners they were exterminating flood worlds that had civilians on them.
> Solution-
> KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE MANTLE DO THE SORTING!
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> Problem-
> The Didact comes back to see Humans are still alive after a hundred thousand years
> Solution-
> Melt the poor people of New Phoenix till they got error404 codes of death
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> See the pattern? Forerunners are always super aggressive in their problem solving.
Yeah, chillax, stupid Forerunners! Jk, but I agree, the Forerunners go over the top to solve any problem. Especially Mr. Sundered-Star.
Yep, you figured it out OP, there’s definitely a theme there. They are not the benevolent kindly people we thought they were during the Bungie era. They pick up arms pretty damn quickly when crossed. Their interpretation of the Mantle is basically that the strong have the right to rule by force simply due to their superiority, whether they say it in as many words or not.
Although, as someone else said, to be fair, in the case of the Ur-Didact, his being driven mad by having been tortured by the Gravemind then locked in a Cryptum without the Domain to keep him company for 100,000 years didn’t help.
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> To be completely fair, the only one that makes any reasonable sense that I agree with you is the fact that they battled and beat the Precursors. It has been awhile since I read the Forerunners trilogy, so I may be forgetting details, but that part always felt a bit rushed to me (could have been fleshed out more story-wise to give Forerunners a bit more motivation for their anger other than they weren’t the inheritors of the Mantle).
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> As for them attacking humanity, I’d say that’s reasonable since humanity was ‘cleansing’ their planets. That is not peaceful by any means, and in fact, the Lord of Admirals dismisses the opportunity in one terminal cutscene where an office asks if he wishes to contact the planet as the Flood has only a tiny presence on the planet.
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> Additionally, the Didact was supposed to have contact with the Domain for his sentence in the cryptum, yet for obvious reasons, he doesn’t have that. It was meant to ‘heal’ his mind with the end goal of helping humanity upon his awakening, yet without the Domain, his mind is as twisted as ever and uncured from the logic plague instilled in him during the Forerunner Trilogy.
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> Just saying… as a species, the Forerunners could have been more humble, yet they had reasons for some of their actions.
then the domain comes back in halo 5 and is confirmed to have been remade, so now we have a massive plot hole here.
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> To be completely fair, the only one that makes any reasonable sense that I agree with you is the fact that they battled and beat the Precursors. It has been awhile since I read the Forerunners trilogy, so I may be forgetting details, but that part always felt a bit rushed to me (could have been fleshed out more story-wise to give Forerunners a bit more motivation for their anger other than they weren’t the inheritors of the Mantle).
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> As for them attacking humanity, I’d say that’s reasonable since humanity was ‘cleansing’ their planets. That is not peaceful by any means, and in fact, the Lord of Admirals dismisses the opportunity in one terminal cutscene where an office asks if he wishes to contact the planet as the Flood has only a tiny presence on the planet.
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> Additionally, the Didact was supposed to have contact with the Domain for his sentence in the cryptum, yet for obvious reasons, he doesn’t have that. It was meant to ‘heal’ his mind with the end goal of helping humanity upon his awakening, yet without the Domain, his mind is as twisted as ever and uncured from the logic plague instilled in him during the Forerunner Trilogy.
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> Just saying… as a species, the Forerunners could have been more humble, yet they had reasons for some of their actions.
I can understand Forthencho’s reasons for not doing so and destroying the planet immediately. There were tensions between the two species so the Forerunners were not necessarily going to believe the evidence(look at real life countries for that), and also based on the way the Forerunners initially treated the Flood when it came back 10,000 years later (as a disease attempting to contain and cure it instead of straight up destroying it completely when they had chance as they had it contained to twelve star systems for nearly 300 years. They let it grow and grow while in those star systems until it eventually build up enough numbers to launch an all out assault on the galaxy following the destruction of the capital.) It’s likely the Forerunners would have hindered humanity’s efforts to destroy the Flood completely due to their version of the Mantle.
Also remember that the Flood had spread beyond humanity’s space and containment and had gained a foothold on at least one Forerunner world which is Tier 1 which would have Forerunner starships capable of extremely fast and accurate slipspace capabilities being able to jump from system to system rapidly and able to jump from in-atmosphere before humanity can even establish proper containment control and also potentially having access to a planetary-wide teleportation grid and slipspace portal network and it’s possible some of those portals also allowed travel between star systems. With all this in mind, that planet was screwed and Forthencho made the right call concerning it.
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> Problem-
> The Didact comes back to see Humans are still alive after a hundred thousand years
> Solution-
> Melt the poor people of New Phoenix till they got error404 codes of death
Silentium actually answers that. It fills in several plot holes with H4.
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> > To be completely fair, the only one that makes any reasonable sense that I agree with you is the fact that they battled and beat the Precursors. It has been awhile since I read the Forerunners trilogy, so I may be forgetting details, but that part always felt a bit rushed to me (could have been fleshed out more story-wise to give Forerunners a bit more motivation for their anger other than they weren’t the inheritors of the Mantle).
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> > As for them attacking humanity, I’d say that’s reasonable since humanity was ‘cleansing’ their planets. That is not peaceful by any means, and in fact, the Lord of Admirals dismisses the opportunity in one terminal cutscene where an office asks if he wishes to contact the planet as the Flood has only a tiny presence on the planet.
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> > Additionally, the Didact was supposed to have contact with the Domain for his sentence in the cryptum, yet for obvious reasons, he doesn’t have that. It was meant to ‘heal’ his mind with the end goal of helping humanity upon his awakening, yet without the Domain, his mind is as twisted as ever and uncured from the logic plague instilled in him during the Forerunner Trilogy.
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> > Just saying… as a species, the Forerunners could have been more humble, yet they had reasons for some of their actions.
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> I can understand Forthencho’s reasons for not doing so and destroying the planet immediately. There were tensions between the two species so the Forerunners were not necessarily going to believe the evidence(look at real life countries for that), and also based on the way the Forerunners initially treated the Flood when it came back 10,000 years later (as a disease attempting to contain and cure it instead of straight up destroying it completely when they had chance as they had it contained to twelve star systems for nearly 300 years. They let it grow and grow while in those star systems until it eventually build up enough numbers to launch an all out assault on the galaxy following the destruction of the capital.) It’s likely the Forerunners would have hindered humanity’s efforts to destroy the Flood completely due to their version of the Mantle.
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> Also remember that the Flood had spread beyond humanity’s space and containment and had gained a foothold on at least one Forerunner world which is Tier 1 which would have Forerunner starships capable of extremely fast and accurate slipspace capabilities being able to jump from system to system rapidly and able to jump from in-atmosphere before humanity can even establish proper containment control and also potentially having access to a planetary-wide teleportation grid and slipspace portal network and it’s possible some of those portals also allowed travel between star systems. With all this in mind, that planet was screwed and Forthencho made the right call concerning it.
I wasn’t at all debating on his call to warn the Forerunners or not, but let’s be realistic: the Forerunners had a twisted version of the Mantle and were an arrogant species. That, however, doesn’t mean humanity made it’s own mistakes which developed into a full blown war with the Forerunners. All I was saying was to show to OP that, while there is some validity in his statement, I feel that the Forerunners had some reason to “have their jimmies rustled”. The Forthencho example was just to prove that both sides were at fault, and to OP’s point of humanity trying to exterminate the Flood, that’s all well and good, but doing so by destroying Forerunner planets would make anyone angry?
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> > > To be completely fair, the only one that makes any reasonable sense that I agree with you is the fact that they battled and beat the Precursors. It has been awhile since I read the Forerunners trilogy, so I may be forgetting details, but that part always felt a bit rushed to me (could have been fleshed out more story-wise to give Forerunners a bit more motivation for their anger other than they weren’t the inheritors of the Mantle).
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> > > As for them attacking humanity, I’d say that’s reasonable since humanity was ‘cleansing’ their planets. That is not peaceful by any means, and in fact, the Lord of Admirals dismisses the opportunity in one terminal cutscene where an office asks if he wishes to contact the planet as the Flood has only a tiny presence on the planet.
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> > > Additionally, the Didact was supposed to have contact with the Domain for his sentence in the cryptum, yet for obvious reasons, he doesn’t have that. It was meant to ‘heal’ his mind with the end goal of helping humanity upon his awakening, yet without the Domain, his mind is as twisted as ever and uncured from the logic plague instilled in him during the Forerunner Trilogy.
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> > > Just saying… as a species, the Forerunners could have been more humble, yet they had reasons for some of their actions.
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> > I can understand Forthencho’s reasons for not doing so and destroying the planet immediately. There were tensions between the two species so the Forerunners were not necessarily going to believe the evidence(look at real life countries for that), and also based on the way the Forerunners initially treated the Flood when it came back 10,000 years later (as a disease attempting to contain and cure it instead of straight up destroying it completely when they had chance as they had it contained to twelve star systems for nearly 300 years. They let it grow and grow while in those star systems until it eventually build up enough numbers to launch an all out assault on the galaxy following the destruction of the capital.) It’s likely the Forerunners would have hindered humanity’s efforts to destroy the Flood completely due to their version of the Mantle.
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> > Also remember that the Flood had spread beyond humanity’s space and containment and had gained a foothold on at least one Forerunner world which is Tier 1 which would have Forerunner starships capable of extremely fast and accurate slipspace capabilities being able to jump from system to system rapidly and able to jump from in-atmosphere before humanity can even establish proper containment control and also potentially having access to a planetary-wide teleportation grid and slipspace portal network and it’s possible some of those portals also allowed travel between star systems. With all this in mind, that planet was screwed and Forthencho made the right call concerning it.
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> I wasn’t at all debating on his call to warn the Forerunners or not, but let’s be realistic: the Forerunners had a twisted version of the Mantle and were an arrogant species. That, however, doesn’t mean humanity made it’s own mistakes which developed into a full blown war with the Forerunners. All I was saying was to show to OP that, while there is some validity in his statement, I feel that the Forerunners had some reason to “have their jimmies rustled”. The Forthencho example was just to prove that both sides were at fault, and to OP’s point of humanity trying to exterminate the Flood, that’s all well and good, but doing so by destroying Forerunner planets would make anyone angry?
Ah, I understand. I got ya. Yeah both sides made mistakes and screwed up and could’ve handled the situation better. Also yeah you’re right, anyone would be pissed if their planets were destroyed. I was just giving my opinion as to why I think Forthencho made that call. Also I think the Forerunners’ version of the Mantle screwed them in the long run and would’ve screwed them eventually regardless of everything else.
Also to the OP, as for them destroying the Precursors, Mythos says they were going to wipe out the Forerunners after the Forerunners wrongly claimed the Mantle and grew arrogant and prideful as a result. Yeah the Forerunners were wrong to take the Mantle but if someone was going to wipe my kind out, I’d strike first too.