Why We Have Criticism

Hello, many of us “haters” and “complainers” would like to inform you on why we are criticizing Halo 4. Many of us couldn’t put it into words, but I want the text to speak for itself. This is from another thread on the forums, the one to write both of these responses (the underscore is the people he quoted) is Matt Grimes FTL,(please note that the names of the people he quoted are removed) someone who I believe hit the nail on the head:

How about: if you want to play a game that doesn’t play like Halo, YOU go play 1 of the hundreds of other FPS’s out there?

Halo is the heart and soul of gaming for many of us, and we don’t want it changed because it’s the only game that we like. “You guys” have hundreds of other games, yet you have to destroy the one thing that we poor vanilla Halo enthusiasts hold dearest to our hearts? And you call US jerks, lol. You guys are like the kid with 100 toys that you never play with, but if someone tries to take 1 away and give it to someone who has nothing and you throw a fit and call us selfish. Nice.

Also no one is saying no more changes. We just don’t want any detrimental gimmicky mechanics added that absolutely ruin what made Halo, Halo, saved the Xbox from bankruptcy, and is the sole instigator of the huge online console gaming scene that exists today (and that includes the CoD games). When adjusting for inflation, Halo Reach’s numbers are about half that of H3, clearly showing that many players were turned off. Yet CoD continues to grow and has actually surpassed H2 in it’s dominance of the market. It’s not like it’s impossible to have the dominance H2 had. Ask any of your friends who don’t play Halo anymore and they will tell you that Reach just didn’t feel enjoy like Halo, or whatever else. No one except those who loved Halo but sucked at previous games appreciate Reach and such changes as putting power weapons on random timers. If something as simple as that occurs, Halo will be destroyed.


I think it’s one thing to voice your concerns, but don’t you think people should wait until we have actually seen more?


Yeah lets wait until the game is completely done before we voice our concerns on it (even though it’s probably too late already).

If you see a car driving at you, you’re going to move out of the way. It may or may not have stopped, but on the slight chance that it didn’t, you’d want to make pretty certain that you were out of the way. That’s all we are doing. We have 1 game that we enjoy, and it was tarnished and destroyed with Reach, we would like for that not to happen again.


Let me put it to you like this, the people who are complaining are going to buy this game. It’s pretty much a fact. So why are they complaining? What’s the point? If they are going to be so whiny over a game, why buy it? That was what I was driving at.

And I don’t think MLG players don’t have a relevant opinion, I think they have an extremely biased opinion. Halo was Halo before MLG. MLG wasn’t anything until Halo. So why would MLG be allowed to influence a title that in essence was the starting reason for MLG to exhist in the first place? If MLG pulls Halo out of it’s gaming circuit, I like a lot of people will just simply shrug their shoulders and say “oh well”. The Pro’s will have to move on to different games or get out, and the enthusiasts will just have one more thing to complain about, but I don’t think it will affect the overall sales. MLG only represents a SMALL percentage of the population. You want to make money off of a Halo title, market and develop a game based off of the most played playlist. Gee…I wonder which one that is.


Yeah, probably. That doesn’t mean that we don’t want our concerns and voice to be heard so that the purchase can be worthwhile. Again, you do not understand the special place Halo has in our heart. Halo is like a drug addict teenager and we are it’s parents. You say “Well that’s just, your kids a drug addict, let him die”, yet we can’t, we do everything we can to help restore him to his former glory as a good person/son/whatever.

Obviously it’s not to that extent, but many of us care deeply for Halo and want it to thrive as it once did with amazing, balanced, competitive, skillful gameplay.

MLG was born from Halo. MLG was just a community for competitive Halo players to get together and hold tournaments and have fun. Halo changed, and MLG did their best to keep the skill gap that CE had to allow for equally competitive settings. Unfortunately this could only be achieved by removing many weapons, adding custom maps, and making many severe changes to the game. MLG shouldn’t dictate Halo, no one thinks that, but MLG isn’t evil or whatever you guys think it is. Yeah some of the players are jerks, but what do you expect from a community specifically tailored to competitive players? Most competitive players are jerks, it’s not like MLG made them jerks.

And the thing is that no one wants Halo to die competitively, we all want it to thrive, but if the devs keep adding all these negative aspects to competitive play there is really nothing left to do. There are at least 100,000 people who this will greatly upset. I know you want to “have fun” and “enjoy new things”, but for many of us, Halo is all there is; it’s the best FPS out there and the only game that we really love. Why things be changed for no other reason than because you’re bored of the way things are now? Many of us have been playing Vanilla Halo (or at least as close to it as we can get) for 10 years and are still far from bored. Maybe if you actually understood the depth that vanilla Halo has, you guys wouldn’t get bored so easily either.


WHY DOES HALO SO BORING???
Shoot, jump, grenade,Shoot, jump, grenade,Shoot, jump, melee, grenade


Further evidence that those who want Halo to change don’t even understand what Halo is really all about.

Unfortunately, you guys are the majority and will most likely get what you want; another -Yoink!- to use up and throw away.

Hope you enjoyed it. I take no credit for these. Hope this isn’t illegal also.

Good read, I agree with it all.

It’d be nice if you formatted it right though.

Yeah I 100% agree. I dont hate Halo at all and I love it will all my heart and soul but I am very concerned for it at the same time. But I do hate the 2 things that killed Halo the most (AAs and Bloom) with a burning passion. The franchise cant survive another Reach and I havent seen a good Halo game since H3 came out. All I want is Halo to be fun and competitive again.

This is exactly what my thoughts are, down to the very core. People want Halo to stay competitive. Halo was by far the absolute best shooter for console gaming and it retained that title up until Reach, when Call of Duty finally started to appeal to people more. The problem is that Bungie tried to mesh CoD with Halo and that just doesn’t work. It appeals to the CoD fans slightly, but it doesn’t appeal to the Halo fans and that was just a bad risk that Bungie took. They cut out part of their own community in order to implement part of another community.

Halo 4 is the chance that we have as a community to bring back Halo to its glory days. The game has changed so much since Halo 3 and many people aren’t happy about it. I think that 343 knows why we’re upset and they can fix it. However, to everyone saying to “Stop complaining, play another game”, we simply can’t do that. Halo is more than just a game to most people who have been there since the beginning. Halo is almost like a life form that has taken shape and formed this great community who all love the game for what it is. Reach brought that down and now we need to bring it back up. If we “complain” and voice our concerns now to 343, they can make the changes that are necessary to restore Halo. They can make Halo the best shooter out there again, we just have to make them realize how much of a big deal this is to us.

All of the things you spoke of were completely true. All we want is Halo to be on top again, and if Halo 4 is anything like Reach, then there most likely won’t even be a Halo 5 or 6 because nobody will want to play it. Reach had terrible sales in comparison to the other Halo’s and they will only get worse if 343 doesn’t step up and do what is right, and that is give us hardcore halo fans what we have been waiting years for. A Halo game that is still Halo, and not a CoD/BF clone.

Couldn’t agree more. But where is the source for this random weapon spawn nonsense?

> How about: if you want to play a game that doesn’t play like Halo, YOU go play 1 of the hundreds of other FPS’s out there?

This

This author seems to be of the opinion that anything added to the formula will automatically make it un-competitive.

What he doesn’t seem to realize is that in Halo 4, there is no bloom, AAs can be turned off, as well as all the new stuff we’ve seen so far. That’s all been proven by the gameplay we saw. The only outlier is sprint, and I’m sure that can be turned off too.

MLG and Ultra-competitive “Vanilla Halo” lovers will have a place in Halo 4. Frankie has even come out and said so.

Co-existance is possible, and you don’t have to make the game 100% one way or the other.

He’s also acting like it’s the “casuals” fault that Halo 4 has all these new features. Untrue. 343 made these decisions. Nobody to blame but them.

> This author seems to be of the opinion that anything added to the formula will automatically make it un-competitive.
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> What he doesn’t seem to realize is that in Halo 4, there is no bloom, AAs can be turned off, as well as all the new stuff we’ve seen so far. That’s all been proven by the gameplay we saw. The only outlier is sprint, and I’m sure that can be turned off too.
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> MLG and Ultra-competitive “Vanilla Halo” lovers will have a place in Halo 4. Frankie has even come out and said so.
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> Co-existance is possible, and you don’t have to make the game 100% one way or the other.

You can turn everything off in reach too, yet none of the playlist do.

> > This author seems to be of the opinion that anything added to the formula will automatically make it un-competitive.
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> > What he doesn’t seem to realize is that in Halo 4, there is no bloom, AAs can be turned off, as well as all the new stuff we’ve seen so far. That’s all been proven by the gameplay we saw. The only outlier is sprint, and I’m sure that can be turned off too.
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> > MLG and Ultra-competitive “Vanilla Halo” lovers will have a place in Halo 4. Frankie has even come out and said so.
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> > Co-existance is possible, and you don’t have to make the game 100% one way or the other.
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> You can turn everything off in reach too, yet none of the playlist do.

Thank you for explaining this.

Well said. It’s saddening to see where 343 is taking Halo.

Goobot, with 343i, post launch we can work it out…

Remember the noob wars goobot? Did it come after or before the cyclops war?

> Hello, many of us “haters” and “complainers” would like to inform you on why we are criticizing Halo 4. Many of us couldn’t put it into words, but I want the text to speak for itself.
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> How about: if you want to play a game that doesn’t play like Halo, YOU go play 1 of the hundreds of other FPS’s out there?
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> We have 1 game that we enjoy, and it was tarnished and destroyed with Reach, we would like for that not to happen again.
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> Unfortunately, you guys are the majority and will most likely get what you want; another -Yoink!- to use up and throw away.
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I cannot tell you how much I agree with this.

Some of us do want new stuff, but that stuff must be original and it must enhance the experience. I don’t know maybe weather conditions that give us epic fights in the middle of a snow/rain storm or something like that, not loadouts or gimmicky mechanics.

> How about: if you want to play a game that doesn’t play like Halo, YOU go play 1 of the hundreds of other FPS’s out there?

Name one hundred different FPS games.

> Halo is the heart and soul of gaming for many of us, and we don’t want it changed because it’s the only game that we like. “You guys” have hundreds of other games, yet you have to destroy the one thing that we poor vanilla Halo enthusiasts hold dearest to our hearts? And you call US jerks, lol.

If you don’t want to play the newest Halo game, then why don’t you just play Halo 3, Halo 2, or whatever one you liked the most? If they already made the perfect game for you why must they remake it, which is just like what CoD does, which you’ve stated you hate?

> Also no one is saying no more changes.

But I thought you said…

> we don’t want it changed

> When adjusting for inflation, Halo Reach’s numbers are about half that of H3, clearly showing that many players were turned off.

Halo 3 and Halo Reach used two different player counting systems. In H3 it was based on the last 24 hours, while in Reach it was based upon current time. You can’t possibly expect everyone to play at the same time so you can get an accurate count.

> Ask any of your friends who don’t play Halo anymore and they will tell you that Reach just didn’t feel enjoy like Halo, or whatever else.

I have plenty of friends who no longer play Halo and they quit because Halo 3 felt dull after so long, and the ranking system was annoying and tedious.

> No one except those who loved Halo but sucked at previous games appreciate Reach

I had no problem with any of the previous Halo games and I did not suck at them. But according to your point of view, because I like Reach my past is invalid and I’m a terrible player?

Seriously, this is a poorly written argument already.

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> I think it’s one thing to voice your concerns, but don’t you think people should wait until we have actually seen more?
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> Yeah lets wait until the game is completely done before we voice our concerns on it (even though it’s probably too late already).

You don’t need to wait until the game is out, but it would make a lot more sense to wait until you have some solid information about the game before banishing it. A small video with around 60 seconds of gameplay is no basis for what we will see in-game. Why would it be too late to voice your concerns with the game already? The game comes out Holiday 2012, it’s March 2012, you have a good 8 months to tell 343i whatever you think about the game.

Skipped the next portion because all he did was restate what he already said.

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> WHY DOES HALO SO BORING???
> Shoot, jump, grenade,Shoot, jump, grenade,Shoot, jump, melee, grenade
> Note: General description of any FPS game, including Halo.
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> Further evidence that those who want Halo to change don’t even understand what Halo is really all about.

Killing people and having fun, what else is there to it? Becoming king of a virtual world so you can feel proud, then realize you wasted part of your life achieving something meaningless in reality?

> Unfortunately, you guys are the majority and will most likely get what you want; another -Yoink!- to use up and throw away.

A company wanting to please the majority of its consumers? What a shock! Because they should definitely try to appeal to the minority of the population that can’t accept Halo needs to change to become successful again.

> Hope you enjoyed it. I take no credit for these. Hope this isn’t illegal also.

I doubt copy and pasting what someone said on the open internet will get you detained.

criticism /=/ saying 343 doesn’t know what they are doing; saying that Halo is dead; saying Halo 4 is -Yoink- like reach.

Guess what I have seen more of?

so, DEAL WITH IT