I know for a fact that this topic has been brought up time and time again. However, If this isn’t continuously brought up we wont be able to get the attention of whoever would be able to make the change. I have been watching overviews of BTB maps people have forged for halo 5 and I am extremely impressed. These maps look better than most dev made maps I have seen in games. However, the sad truth is that these maps cannot be implemented into matchmaking because they only work with assault rifle and pistol starts.
What I am saying is that 343 really needs to make BTB have pistol starts so that the current roster of maps as well as potential new ones work/play properly.
I wouldn’t care either way, whichever works better. But you’re probably going to get a slew of BR fanboys who are gonna tell you that BR starts in BTB are the only good thing about Halo 5.
I definitely prefer Magnum starts in 4v4, and would be very interested in trying them in BTB.
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> I definitely prefer Magnum starts in 4v4, and would be very interested in trying them in BTB.
I’ve seen ForgeHub release plenty of gameplay and discuss the issue many many times. They are the ones who look for these maps to add so they know them a lot better than any of the stupid BR fanboys saying it should stay in BTB as a loadout. Every single map in BTB was tested and designed around the magnum, not the BR. Take out the BR and BTB becomes infinitely better.
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Now that’s really intriguing. The theory of Magnum starts makes tons of sense to me, and in practice for 4v4 I love the execution. By chance have any gameplay vids of it in action? I haven’t seen any.
Heck no… AR/BR starts are fine. What we need is a bit more protection for warthog gunner or a buff of the warthog/mantis guns because their TTK is a bit to long.
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> I wouldn’t care either way, whichever works better. But you’re probably going to get a slew of BR fanboys who are gonna tell you that BR starts in BTB are the only good thing about Halo 5.
Hopefully they would understand why the battle rifle worked in previous halos for BTB but not in halo 5. Its not the actual weapon, but rather the way it works in halo 5 that makes it a poor starting weapon for BTB.
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> Heck no… AR/BR starts are fine. What we need is a bit more protection for warthog gunner or a buff of the warthog/mantis guns because their TTK is a bit to long.
Well, Magnum starts do achieve that pretty effectively. Harder to pop a Hog gunner at spawn with just the Magnum.
People are obsessed with Battle Rifle for a reason. I wonder what that is.
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> Now that’s really intriguing. The theory of Magnum starts makes tons of sense to me, and in practice for 4v4 I love the execution. By chance have any gameplay vids of it in action? I haven’t seen any.
This video shows off a good majority of the maps currently in BTB with magnum starts
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Thanks!
Pistol starts in BTB may work. But you’d have to heavily alter each map by taking off most rifle pick ups and probably remove sniper from every map.
The sniper is already incredibly overbearing in BTB due to how insanely easy it is to use. I can’t even imagine how dominant it would become with pistol starts. Rifle pick ups would also become way too powerful with pistol spawns. Especially with how many there are all over every map. You’d essentially be spawning in with a pistol against people who mostly have rifles. Essentially the only people using pistols would be the spawners that haven’t picked one up yet.
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> Heck no… AR/BR starts are fine. What we need is a bit more protection for warthog gunner or a buff of the warthog/mantis guns because their TTK is a bit to long.
While we definitely need more gunner protection, the issue lies in the way the maps were designed. Those who designed the maps did so with the idea that the BTB playlist would have pistol starts. Because it actually has Br starts, and most if not all of the maps were designed around there being pistol starts, the maps are too small given the current load out. There have been so many times when I was killed right after spawning by some guy on the other side of the map with a Br.
Think, for example, about the remake maps that people have forged. Viking, the remake of Valhalla, for example, no longer works the way it was meant to because of Br starts. In halo 3 the Br lacked accuracy at long range, which is why it worked on big, wide open maps in BTB. However, halo 5s Br is extremely accurate because of the way the game determines if your bullets hit the target.
Pistol starts would fix this problem because of the smaller range in which you can shoot it, which would fix the current maps and allow for better new ones.
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> Pistol starts in BTB may work. But you’d have to heavily alter each map by taking off most rifle pick ups and probably remove sniper from every map.
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Yeah, but given how many of the maps were initially designed for pistol starts, the removal of rifle pick ups would be one of few changes that would actually need to be made.
The link RUL Monkey Moo just provided.
I think this is a fairly solid representation of the benefits AR/Magnum starts in BTB would provide (with the caveat that I haven’t played it myself):
- Freedom of movement (there were locations on that map I’d never dream of trying to reach with BR starts).
- Increased vehicle viability, both in terms of overall durability and protection of exposed riders.
- Expanded use of the weapon sandbox. Be honest: how often do you drop the BR?
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The sniper would still be too much.
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> . Be honest: how often do you drop the BR?
Whenever I want the DMR/SMG-Power Weapon combo. I think most maps have BRs scattered on the map except Scavenger which has a pistol spawn.
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The Magnum could still ping a sniper out of scope at most of the same ranges the BR could, you’d just have a much tougher time actually taking the sniper out at range.
This is BTB you’re talking about right? so that means…BIG MAPS! You already start with a BR for mid to long range and even close range if you have the skill for it and an AR for close range when you’re forced into that confrontation. So why on earth would you need a Pistol to start with? This isn’t 4v4 arena style shooter maps but, BIG conflicts with vehicles and a lot of long range battles. You have an AR for close range so there’s no reason so add the pistol for that area and BR covers mid to long.
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That’s not true at all. The BR has nearly double the RRR of the pistol.