Why was the Human/Elite treaty broken?

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> Remember, even in Halo 3, their alliance was shaky at best. There was plenty of hate to go around between the Humans and Elites.

You are assuming that these attitudes were static and unchanging. At the beginning? Yeah, things were maybe like that. At the end? Well, I’m not sure it remained that way. Their relations were dynamic over the course of the game. You seem to be ignoring certain character arcs as well. (Such as Rtas himself becoming noticeably more comfortable in speaking with Humans throughout the course of the game.)

> During the meeting after glassing half of Africa thanks to the Flood, the Arbiter was the only thing stopping Half-Jaw from glassing the whole planet.

I think that was to emphasize the threat of a single flood spore surviving and how lucky Earth was in that it did not need to be totally glassed in order to prevent them from surviving. Hood was underestimating the Flood threat and implying that Rtas went overboard in glassing Africa, which Rtas didn’t like, thus he stated what should have been called for to stop the Flood; what he would have done in any other circumstance. Humanity just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

> Well, compared to the entire Sengheili population, it is a little stretched. I’m sure there are some who admire the humans in some way who are afraid to admit it because it would look weak.

A small minority would not warrant the extinction of their race, yet Truth ordered it and in doing so pretty much lost himself the war. He did it because the Elites were far from containing a minority in some respects.

> Leaving the Elites to scour Earth in search of a Holy Forerunner relic, and ultimately to uncover the most precious and sacrosanct Forerunner artifact in existence - the very portal that opened upon the Ark itself - would have placed all Truth’s aspirations upon the shoulders of a species he had already decided to cast aside, <mark>a species splintered by heresy and derision, even amongst their own ranks</mark>.
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> Truth’s divisive mandate had been set in motion. <mark>The Elites had exhausted their usefulness to him</mark>, they would not be allowed to meddle in his affairs any longer, and he would not place his rightful transcendence into the hands of incompetents. His word was law.

Despite what recent additions to the canon would like to make out, Bungie made it patently clear what was going on with the Elites. The Elites were in the process of a major social change, and Truth viewed it as so much of a threat that he decided to have them all killed. 343i don’t appear to be following any of it for some reason though.

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Well, according to Karen Traviss’ Glasslands:

Despite the Elites’ betrayal at the hands of the Prophets and Brutes, and humanity’s readiness to fight alongside them to end the Covenant, there was still a significant portion of Elites that hated and distrusted humanity and, indeed, would have few qualms about killing us all. These Elites started to argue with the Elites that were thinking straight and liked humanity, creating a tense political climate among the Elite species.

And according to Glasslands, ONI, the human intelligence services, thought that it would be a great idea to give the side that wants to murder all of us a bunch of weapons in an effort to create a civil war among the Elites, because nothing says “Please don’t kill us, we actually like you now!” like betraying the side that hadn’t planned on killing us, and helping the side that had*.*

The probable result of which is that all the Elites want to kill us by the beginning of Halo 4. Elites were pretty cool guys, but now they’ve been demoted back to the rank of generic space aliens to fill with lead, and not even for a well-written reason.

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> Well, according to Karen Traviss’ Glasslands:
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> Despite the Elites’ betrayal at the hands of the Prophets and Brutes, and humanity’s readiness to fight alongside them to end the Covenant, there was still a significant portion of Elites that hated and distrusted humanity and, indeed, would have few qualms about killing us all. These Elites started to argue with the Elites that were thinking straight and liked humanity, creating a tense political climate among the Elite species.
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> And according to Glasslands, ONI, the human intelligence services, thought that it would be a great idea to give the side that wants to murder all of us a bunch of weapons in an effort to create a civil war among the Elites, because nothing says “Please don’t kill us, we actually like you now!” like betraying the side that hadn’t planned on killing us, and helping the side that had*.*
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> The probable result of which is that all the Elites want to kill us by the beginning of Halo 4. Elites were pretty cool guys, but now they’ve been demoted back to the rank of generic space aliens to fill with lead, and not even for a well-written reason.

guys i think we know exactly what happened now. Elites had a civil war, and the anti-human side won. But does that mean Thel is dead? Or could he of managed to survive and is in refugee, or captured and questioned about humanity since he seems to know more about them being a key factor in the alliance.

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> Friggin ONI in Glasslands prolly screwed it up by Halo 4.
> Good old ONI, screwing people over since 2525.

In the year 2525… if man is still alive…

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> > Well, according to Karen Traviss’ Glasslands:
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> > Despite the Elites’ betrayal at the hands of the Prophets and Brutes, and humanity’s readiness to fight alongside them to end the Covenant, there was still a significant portion of Elites that hated and distrusted humanity and, indeed, would have few qualms about killing us all. These Elites started to argue with the Elites that were thinking straight and liked humanity, creating a tense political climate among the Elite species.
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> > And according to Glasslands, ONI, the human intelligence services, thought that it would be a great idea to give the side that wants to murder all of us a bunch of weapons in an effort to create a civil war among the Elites, because nothing says “Please don’t kill us, we actually like you now!” like betraying the side that hadn’t planned on killing us, and helping the side that had*.*
> >
> > The probable result of which is that all the Elites want to kill us by the beginning of Halo 4. Elites were pretty cool guys, but now they’ve been demoted back to the rank of generic space aliens to fill with lead, and not even for a well-written reason.
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> guys i think we know exactly what happened now. Elites had a civil war, and the anti-human side won. But does that mean Thel is dead? Or could he of managed to survive and is in refugee, or captured and questioned about humanity since he seems to know more about them being a key factor in the alliance.

I doubt they won, oni would guarantee they wouldnt. They probably helped them enough to keep the main good group off balance, thus keeping them from being united and a threat to humanity. atleast thats how i take of the situation.

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As of right now i believe it’s all just speculation until 343 tells us why. Most likely the treaty was either broken or it is a small group formed who didn’t want to ally with humans… but who knows.

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ONI tells the public that Dr. Halsey is dead and places her under arrest. ONI gives rogue elites UNSC weapons.

Anyone else think that it’s a possibility that ONI may have been ‘hijacked’ by an external organisation??? (I could say covenant but I don’t think it is)

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ONI wanted to mess up Sanghelios, make them fight against each other.

Meanwhile, the Sangheili were mad, some wanted to fight the humans, others wanted a peace treaty.

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I think it’s a Covenant fleet that got stuck at/around Requiem before the war was over. There was a mention of the possibility of there being planets where UNSC and Covenant forces are still fighting each-other because they don’t know the war is over in the end of Glasslands and in a purely speculative old article from which 343i didn’t debunk anything (and they were right thus far, about Covies returning at least). Also, it seems like the only possibility that isn’t too obvious. If there is a reason that they are there and that they are fighting John that has some connection to the overall plot and to Requiem, than their part in the game may not feel tacked on for the sake of it.

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> They had, Tacoooos and we wanted some …

So it was not the Tacos ?

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> ONI tells the public that Dr. Halsey is dead and places her under arrest. ONI gives rogue elites UNSC weapons.
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> Anyone else think that it’s a possibility that ONI may have been ‘hijacked’ by an external organisation??? (I could say covenant but I don’t think it is)

I don’t think any human organization would have the resources to blackmail ONI into triggering a Human-Elite war and then survive that same war. Any habitable planets within reach of human vessels would be known to the UNSC and hence to ONI, and I don’t think that any private corporation could amass the resources and funds needed for terraforming during wartime – certainly not without catching ONI’s attention.

Incredibly awful writing seems more likely IMO.

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> ONI tells the public that Dr. Halsey is dead and places her under arrest. ONI gives rogue elites UNSC weapons.
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> Anyone else think that it’s a possibility that ONI may have been ‘hijacked’ by an external organisation??? (I could say covenant but I don’t think it is)

or its quite possible the Rebels assassinated all members of ONI, and took place as each one with a now double identity, and wanting the UNSC out of power, tried to get the Elites to turn on Humanity and crush the UNSC for them. Its a possibility… theres probobly better explenations, but its just one though.

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> > ONI tells the public that Dr. Halsey is dead and places her under arrest. ONI gives rogue elites UNSC weapons.
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> > Anyone else think that it’s a possibility that ONI may have been ‘hijacked’ by an external organisation??? (I could say covenant but I don’t think it is)
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> I don’t think any human organization would have the resources to blackmail ONI into triggering a Human-Elite war and then survive that same war. Any habitable planets within reach of human vessels would be known to the UNSC and hence to ONI, and I don’t think that any private corporation could amass the resources and funds needed for terraforming during wartime – certainly not without catching ONI’s attention.
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> Incredibly awful writing seems more likely IMO.

Yeah that seems pretty unlikely.

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> > > ONI tells the public that Dr. Halsey is dead and places her under arrest. ONI gives rogue elites UNSC weapons.
> > >
> > > Anyone else think that it’s a possibility that ONI may have been ‘hijacked’ by an external organisation??? (I could say covenant but I don’t think it is)
> >
> > I don’t think any human organization would have the resources to blackmail ONI into triggering a Human-Elite war and then survive that same war. Any habitable planets within reach of human vessels would be known to the UNSC and hence to ONI, and I don’t think that any private corporation could amass the resources and funds needed for terraforming during wartime – certainly not without catching ONI’s attention.
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> > Incredibly awful writing seems more likely IMO.
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> Yeah that seems pretty unlikely.

but what if it wasnt Blackmail? what if it was murder?

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I dont think these are covies
More likely Pirates
Its most likely 343 are just calling them covies so old players will recognize them better
SO ya
I say they are pirates

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> I dont think these are covies
> More likely Pirates
> Its most likely 343 are just calling them covies so old players will recognize them better
> SO ya
> I say they are pirates

That’s what I was thinking,some might just not have got the memo that the war was over.
Their armor is stripped down so their obviously not very well off.

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> > I dont think these are covies
> > More likely Pirates
> > Its most likely 343 are just calling them covies so old players will recognize them better
> > SO ya
> > I say they are pirates
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> That’s what I was thinking,some might <mark>just not have got the memo that the war was over</mark>.

They would’ve, every other ship and fleet did.

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> > > I dont think these are covies
> > > More likely Pirates
> > > Its most likely 343 are just calling them covies so old players will recognize them better
> > > SO ya
> > > I say they are pirates
> >
> > That’s what I was thinking,some might <mark>just not have got the memo that the war was over</mark>.
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> They would’ve, every other ship and fleet did.

Well then pirates it is…argh

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Want to reply to this that I wasn’t able to.

> Its been four years, whos to say we dont have our numbers fully restored?

So in four years, humanity has recovered over 20+ years worth of people and equipment killed and destroyed by the Covenant? Really?

> i mean we are well off enough to start a whole new spartan program and manufacture a lightweight Mjolnir armor system which <mark>im pretty sure wasnt cheap</mark>.

Hell no, but that doesn’t mean humanity would be safe if the Elites decided to attack Earth with everything they had.

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> I dont think these are covies
> More likely Pirates
> Its most likely 343 are just calling them covies so old players will recognize them better
> SO ya
> I say they are pirates

Looking for human loot, and not fleeing when they find the strongest human in our history?