I mean, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy is pretty awesome, but how is other Spartan’s commissioned and John stuck at E-9?
And why aren’t the other blue team Spartan 2’s (other than LT Fred), who have 40 years of service in the Navy still Petty Officers? They should all be Master Chief Petty Officers by now I would think. I guess that would be kind of confusing all going by “Chief” though. 
However… I don’t think the Spartan branch (which blue team isn’t a part of) has ranks anymore.
Yeah I have heard they do not have ranks anymore. Do we know why? What books is that in?
It’s because of their role. Think current day Navy Seals, they are front line warriors and are general non-commissioned. Commissioning them would eventually mean a more behind the lines/commanding role, it’s not what they were trained for. John brushed off the notion of being an Admiral in the Escalation comics, even though they would be brilliant commanding tacticians.
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Im glad you corrected yourself They are a part of Naval Special Warfare Command.
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that said it still not unusual for Lt commander or troop Commander to be the OIC of a seal team(s). MCPO is in fact a Staff headquarter role or Troop Senior Enlisted (tactical advisor) over seeing training etc as well as front line duties.
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Exactly. It is not unusual to see an O-4 or even an 0-5 Navy Seal or other special warfare scenarios. I would feel eventually they would want the Spartan’s calling the shots. They have higher intelligence, YEARS of experience over all the fleet command combined, and many other benefits. With Spartan-IV’s with GEN2 armor as strong as Spartan-II’s in GEN1 armor, you would think they would be moved to command rather than wasting them because they are a little strong in GEN2 armor.
But, as stated. John didn’t want leadership. He wants to be in the fight. He never liked being on a ship even. I think if you would appeal to leadership as the ultimate duty to ensure the lives of new spartan’s he would. Or… like I am hoping this new trilogy does, make him a like the didact. A field Marshall, in charge of troops but still in the fight. Hell, even give him forerunner armor. Just make sure it is still green.
In Halo Escalation, Lord Hood offered MC a commission and said he that John could easily fast track to Admiral if he took it.
Then John said. “‘The Master Chief’ sounds better then ‘The Admiral’” Turning Admiral Hood down. It is quite possible that Master Chief turned down commission multiple times and the other spartans serving with him, never accepted commissions either, following the chief’s example.
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Jorge for he wasn’t serving with the chief
Kurt, for he wasn’t serving with the chief
Fred, for he was on the spot promoted without say and when chief came back saying he was in a advisory roll for Fred, Fred was like, nope. Your the boss chief.
A lot of people follow John. It is almost like he is the Exile from KOTOR.
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It isn’t unusual, but his character prefers the smaller team. Commissioning is unnecessary, in my opinion.
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HALO Initiation
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As to why, I think Musa and Jun were trying to create a more flexible response, in that X may be really good at leading teams for a search and recovery, and Y may be really good at leading teams in covert strike action, so you could change the command structure to suit the situation. As evidenced in Spartan Ops, there appears to be a default structure, however as Buck indicates in New Blood, he was leading a team, and now wants to be just a team member for a while. (You’d have to suspect Buck and therefore Romeo will be part of Locke’s team, given how they were brought back into the light via a book).
I’m not convinced that the lack of formal rank structure is appropriate - there is a good reason why rank structures have been in the military for millennia, and that’s because it works. And certainly with teams where individuals are known to have particular skill sets, the team leader will frequently defer to the expertise of that individual (Jim, you know how to place explosives to take that down, so where do we hit?). Similarly, team leaders will defer to expertise of the team sniper as to whether particular shots are possible, etcetera, which in turn can inform the larger tactical and strategic approach (given the conditions, how close do you have to be, how long do you need to set up the shot, etcetera). However, in theory a senior ranked individual in the team has been selected for a number of reasons, including the ability to show leadership and good command decision making.
With Spartans there may be an argument that they all have good leadership / command decision skills (at least in theory). But you don’t have to look too hard at some of the decisions made by the S-IVs in particular to see some spectacularly appalling decision making, and in some cases without any excuses such as ‘under fire’ ‘not much time’ etcetera.
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It could have to do with whatever Dr. Halsey was talking about in H4. How they view spartans as weapons instead of a person.
S-IIs were tools. Kurt promoted Noble Team so that they would finally be ‘real’ independent Spartans, and have a degree of control over their own missions.
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?! They had been given CO ranks so that OIC of the fire team could utilize any and all military assets at their disposal and better operate without foregoing a daisy chain of command… Basically less red tape. i dot believe it has anything to do with being more independent Spartans but more operational efficiency.
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Tools? More like weapons of mass destruction.