Why the majority of Spartan Ops was (Read On)

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Ok then. Yoink Yoink Yoink sorry about the title, ran out of damn characters.

Now then. The whole of Halo: Infinity (Ie Spartan Ops) from episode 2 onwards was absolutely pointless. why? The plot from that point on revolves around Dr.Halsey and the artifact that tethered infinty to the planet.

What I don’t get is why they simply didnt just throw the artifact of the ship. That couldv’e been done in 5 minutes… But because no-one in the UNSC has any common sense, we now have a defected, paraplegic Dr.Halsey. A -Yoinking- Janus Key and no more requiem. I had to play through 8 more episodes of Spartan Ops with its ******* voice acting to see that? an open-ended story arc?

Sigh…

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I assume the artifact was stuck in place upon its activation. Which is why Glassman and Halsey couldn’t take it to a proper lab for study.

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The artifact sealed itself to the floor.

Granted, they could have possibly cut a hole in the hull containing the artifact and sent that away… but cutting a large hole in the middle of a hanger isn’t the best idea either.

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Halsey is minus her arm, not a paraplegic.

And she actually calls the Infinity scientists on thier methods, saying they act like children in stead of using common sense in dealing with Forerunner tech.

In regards to the teleportation block, it probably fixed itself to the floor.

But I’ll agree that the Infinity Science crew weren’t particularly professional.

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I am not as skeptical of the open-ended ending as I am of 343’s need to vilify Halsey. A person that if IRL indirectly saved humanity (even if by shady means) would be in history books as a hero. It feels like they are just using Halsey to make plot, and not to be a character in the plot.

Although with the theme of this trilogy being “Johns internal emotional struggle” I am sure they are planning on using her some other way in the future.

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> I am not as skeptical of the open-ended ending as I am of 343’s need to vilify Halsey. A person that if IRL indirectly saved humanity (even if by shady means) would be in history books as a hero. It feels like they are just using Halsey to make plot, and not to be a character in the plot.
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> Although with the theme of this trilogy being “Johns internal emotional struggle” I am sure they are planning on using her some other way in the future.

so is Oppenheimer is a hero? hell, going by that logic, we should also call these guys heros, for all the lives saved because of the medical knowledge derived directly from their horrific research. The world isn’t that black and white, and 343I isn’t trying trying to vilify halsey, they’re trying to make her a 3 dimensional character.

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It was still interesting though, regardless.

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> > I am not as skeptical of the open-ended ending as I am of 343’s need to vilify Halsey. A person that if IRL indirectly saved humanity (even if by shady means) would be in history books as a hero. It feels like they are just using Halsey to make plot, and not to be a character in the plot.
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> > Although with the theme of this trilogy being “Johns internal emotional struggle” I am sure they are planning on using her some other way in the future.
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> so is Oppenheimer is a hero? hell, going by that logic, we should also call these guys heros, for all the lives saved because of the medical knowledge derived directly from their horrific research. The world isn’t that black and white, and 343I isn’t trying trying to vilify halsey, they’re trying to make her a 3 dimensional character.

Actually Oppenheimer should be considered a hero. I mean he (along with many other scientist) made many contributions to physics and nuclear theory.

As for the -Yoink!- Doctors… They were hero’s to the -Yoink!-’s. But not to the allies. Remember that being considered a hero makes you more susceptible to hate than others. Case in point John 117 is a hero to Humanity, but the Covenant vilifies him, going so far to call him a demon. The fact is that Halsey saved humanity (by spearheading the spartan program, and by making Cortana). I am sorry that you are mad that there was collateral damage in the process of avoiding extinction.

Now you could say that Lenord Church (RvB) is a bad guy for what he did trying to help humanity. However most of his motives were eventually revealed to be self satisfying. He was using saving/helping humanity as a cover, and that is why he is a villain (as noted by many lines similar to this: we fallowed you, because we thought that the ends justified the means, but you lied and tricked us).

So in conclusion, she did bad things. However since Humanity would be lost if she didn’t do those things, she is a hero for doing what no one else could bring themselves to do.

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Wow, Halsey just can’t be mentioned without causing debate. Is there a word for that?

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> Wow, Halsey just can’t be mentioned without causing debate. Is there a word for that?

Controversial?

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I’m not mad, I’m just saying Halsey’s morality is a gray area, and maybe she was vindicated in the end, but the fact of the matter is, spartans weren’t made for the covenant. They were made to enforce the will of a negligent fascist government, the term “one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter” comes to mind.

She’s a savior and a war criminal.

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> The artifact sealed itself to the floor.
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> Granted, they could have possibly cut a hole in the hull containing the artifact and sent that away… but cutting a large hole in the middle of a hanger isn’t the best idea either.

The artifact was probably bound to Requiem via Slipspace the whole time. It was only when Infinity had to try and escape their fall into the sun that it noticed.

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> I’m not mad, I’m just saying Halsey’s morality is a gray area, and maybe she was vindicated in the end, but the fact of the matter is, spartans weren’t made for the covenant. They were made to enforce the will of a negligent fascist government, the term “one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter” comes to mind.
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> She’s a savior and a war criminal.

True, but only if the Insurrection had been the one to label her a war criminal. For the UNSC to label her a war criminal (when everything she has ever done was in their interest, ordered by them, or done to ensure the survival of the UNSC) Seems a little… Unrealistic.

Those -Yoink!- scientist would probably be regarded as hero/great minds if -Yoink!-’s won. Witch makes sense. What doesn’t make since, vilification the top scientist of your Union (that is responsible for keeping it and humanity alive) when you won the war anyway. There would IRL be no one calling for her head on a pike (except maybe Covenant Refugees and Insurrectionist Remnants).

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> > Wow, Halsey just can’t be mentioned without causing debate. Is there a word for that?
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> Controversial?

I had somethin’ else in mind, but that works.

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> > I’m not mad, I’m just saying Halsey’s morality is a gray area, and maybe she was vindicated in the end, but the fact of the matter is, spartans weren’t made for the covenant. They were made to enforce the will of a negligent fascist government, the term “one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter” comes to mind.
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> > She’s a savior and a war criminal.
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> True, but only if the Insurrection had been the one to label her a war criminal. For the UNSC to label her a war criminal (when everything she has ever done was in their interest, ordered by them, or done to ensure the survival of the UNSC) Seems a little… Unrealistic.
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> Those -Yoink!- scientist would probably be regarded as hero/great minds if -Yoink!-’s won. Witch makes sense. What doesn’t make since, vilification the top scientist of your Union (that is responsible for keeping it and humanity alive) when you won the war anyway. There would IRL be no one calling for her head on a pike (except maybe Covenant Refugees and Insurrectionist Remnants).

It depends on what we’re looking at for her being branded a war criminal. She did a lot of things.

Kidnapping children and flash cloning them, especially cloning them, is in complete violation of the Mortal Dictata Act. Arguably, ONI shares the blame for this, but it’s obvious they’re using Halsey as a scapegoat.
There’s also the part where Halsey kidnapped a Spartan asset, Kelly, in the middle of a delicate combat operation, using Insurrectionist assets.
After this, she recalled Spartans to Onyx, away from the crucial Battle of Earth, with the intent of waiting out the destruction of humanity. Of course, she was justified in the long run with what they discovered, but she still relocated assets in the middle of an important battle.

Her intentions are sound, and she is a hero for what she did. But what she did, especially, later was no less illegal.

I say that being branded a war criminal and pronounced dead to the public is an overreaction, but she still isn’t an angel in terms of following laws in a war crisis.

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> > > I’m not mad, I’m just saying Halsey’s morality is a gray area, and maybe she was vindicated in the end, but the fact of the matter is, spartans weren’t made for the covenant. They were made to enforce the will of a negligent fascist government, the term “one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter” comes to mind.
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> > > She’s a savior and a war criminal.
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> > True, but only if the Insurrection had been the one to label her a war criminal. For the UNSC to label her a war criminal (when everything she has ever done was in their interest, ordered by them, or done to ensure the survival of the UNSC) Seems a little… Unrealistic.
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> > Those -Yoink!- scientist would probably be regarded as hero/great minds if -Yoink!-’s won. Witch makes sense. What doesn’t make since, vilification the top scientist of your Union (that is responsible for keeping it and humanity alive) when you won the war anyway. There would IRL be no one calling for her head on a pike (except maybe Covenant Refugees and Insurrectionist Remnants).
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> It depends on what we’re looking at for her being branded a war criminal. She did a lot of things.
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> Kidnapping children and flash cloning them, especially cloning them, is in complete violation of the Mortal Dictata Act. Arguably, ONI shares the blame for this, but it’s obvious they’re using Halsey as a scapegoat.
> There’s also the part where Halsey kidnapped a Spartan asset, Kelly, in the middle of a delicate combat operation, using Insurrectionist assets.
> After this, she recalled Spartans to Onyx, away from the crucial Battle of Earth, with the intent of waiting out the destruction of humanity. Of course, she was justified in the long run with what they discovered, but she still relocated assets in the middle of an important battle.
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> Her intentions are sound, and she is a hero for what she did. But what she did, especially, later was no less illegal.
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> I say that being branded a war criminal and pronounced dead to the public is an overreaction, but she still isn’t an angel in terms of following laws in a war crisis.

True for the most part. Just do not bring up that joke “Mortal Dictata Act.” That was the whole reason humanity almost lost in the firs place. It limited our main resource(our minds, or what we could do with the ideas that came out of it). Seriously, if they had just started cloning soldiers humans never would have been slaughtered so bad.

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There are numerous moral and ethical reasons behind not allowing widespread cloning.

You’re also forgetting that the technology to successfully flash clone a full human is… not there. Less than a month afterwords, they break down and die of numerous diseases.

That’s one of the issues behind the cloning. Halsey knew she was creating these children to die, and it caused problems among the families.

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> There are numerous moral and ethical reasons behind not allowing widespread cloning.
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> You’re also forgetting that the technology to successfully flash clone a full human is… not there. Less than a month afterwords, they break down and die of numerous diseases.
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> That’s one of the issues behind the cloning. Halsey knew she was creating these children to die, and it caused problems among the families.

Not flash cloning, normal cloning

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> Ok then. Yoink Yoink Yoink sorry about the title, ran out of damn characters.
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> Now then. The whole of Halo: Infinity (Ie Spartan Ops) from episode 2 onwards was absolutely pointless. why? The plot from that point on revolves around Dr.Halsey and the artifact that tethered infinty to the planet.
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> What I don’t get is why they simply didnt just throw the artifact of the ship. That couldv’e been done in 5 minutes… But because no-one in the UNSC has any common sense, we now have a defected, paraplegic Dr.Halsey. A -Yoinking- Janus Key and no more requiem. I had to play through 8 more episodes of Spartan Ops with its ******* voice acting to see that? an open-ended story arc?
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> Sigh…

Or they could’ve studied the artifact in a groundside science base or one of the Infinity’s frigates. No need to risk the indispensable super-ship with something that’s known to be an unknown quantity. I mean, we’ve seen examples of what can happen with mysterious Forerunner relics in the past, there’s no reason to assume this one will be any safer.

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> It depends on what we’re looking at for her being branded a war criminal. She did a lot of things.
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> Kidnapping children and flash cloning them, especially cloning them, is in complete violation of the Mortal Dictata Act. Arguably, ONI shares the blame for this, but it’s obvious they’re using Halsey as a scapegoat.
> There’s also the part where Halsey kidnapped a Spartan asset, Kelly, in the middle of a delicate combat operation, using Insurrectionist assets.
> After this, she recalled Spartans to Onyx, away from the crucial Battle of Earth, with the intent of waiting out the destruction of humanity. Of course, she was justified in the long run with what they discovered, but she still relocated assets in the middle of an important battle.
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> Her intentions are sound, and she is a hero for what she did. But what she did, especially, later was no less illegal.
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> I say that being branded a war criminal and pronounced dead to the public is an overreaction, but she still isn’t an angel in terms of following laws in a war crisis.

This post I fully agree with. I agree Halsey isn’t an angel by any means, but to really blame her for pretty much everything is just ludicrous, and as JSA has put it, ONI (and the rest of the UNSC) have as much blame on this.

The way the UNSC has handled the Insurrection fiasco, I think, was disastrous on many levels (I recall in Halo: Origins, you saw what appeared to be an Insurrection city or maybe a hub of sorts for Insurrectionists being bombed, I mean, how the heck is that justified?). And the thing that gets me the most, is that it seems like they are deciding to blame that all on Halsey.

I mean look at what Parangosky was doing, and now her successor Osman is continuing: inciting war within the Sangheili behind Hood’s intention of forming an alliance, and probably behind many senior officials’ backs. Heck, both of them (Parangosky and Osman)are the reasons why Jul 'Mdama is now such a pain to the UNSC. Yet, they are allowed to make judgment calls on Halsey…Hypocritical I find.

I will agree with the point about what happened in First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx. Halsey abducting a Spartan, and than requesting more Spartans to Onyx during Humanity’s most dire moments is something I think she SHOULD have to answer for by herself. That IS diverting valuable resources for her somewhat personal gain (as JSA put it, taking them away from when they are needed most, as Humanity is on the verge of collapsing, just to wait it out and live the rest of their days in solitude). Especially considering Fred and the rest of Blue team had captured a Covenant capital ship which could have been used VERY effectively if used properly (like how Cortana used the Ascending Justice ship very effectively against the covenant in space combat).

Though in the end, they did get Onyx as well as many valuable Forerunner assets, but that was just something that luckily happened.

Anyways, that’s my two cents.