Why The Lack of Forge Maps in Matchmaking?

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Why is it that we have this sophisticated new forge, and the maps to prove its worth, yet so little of them are in matchmaking? When is it that we will have a system that makes the process of map integration possible? Why is this so difficult? Why are remakes thrown into social playlists like Super Fiesta, while original maps are neglected?

Look at BTB. This is the only player count that has a system in place for matchmaking integration, because we have a bridge between the community and 343. They regularly test maps to be considered for matchmaking. Why only BTB? Where is the bridge for 4v4 or 2v2 maps?

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I wish I knew the answer to these questions, and yeah I would love to see more community made maps in matchmaking.

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You should probably specify which playlist(s) you’re referring to because there are multiple playlists where all the maps are from Forge.

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> You should probably specify which playlist(s) you’re referring to because there are multiple playlists where all the maps are from Forge.

Considering I mentioned remakes and BTB, the only playlist that exclusively has community forge maps is Extermination.

I’m referring to Team Doubles and Team Arena. HCS as well. 343 stated early on that they wouldn’t use forge maps for HCS. What good reason could they have? Do they really believe there aren’t forge maps out there more competitively viable than maps like Empire and Fathom? Believe me, there are better maps out there, and 343 is the reason most people arent aware of them.

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Because when we get forge maps, we get maps like white cell. This map is just bullsh… I don´t want another white cell… And did you play the Halo 3 throwback playlist or extermination? So many maps are lagging (On the standart xbox one. I do not know if its by the one x the same.). I don´t want this in ranked too.
But I agree with you that the Halo 5 maps aren´t the yellow from the egg.

Edit: I don´t like Pegasus and Orion either.

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> Because when we get forge maps, we get maps like white cell. This map is just bullsh… I don´t want another white cell… And did you play the Halo 3 throwback playlist or extermination? So many maps are lagging (On the standart xbox one. I do not know if its by the one x the same.). I don´t want this in ranked too.
> But I agree with you that the Halo 5 maps aren´t the yellow from the egg.

Whitecell is in matchmaking because its a symmetrical, safe, fast-paced map endorsed by the competitive community. I personally have no problem with it, but i can understand why not everyone is a fan. I strongly prefer it over the majority of shipped H5 maps, though. Tyrant, Torque, Riptide, Eden, etc? C’mon.

No, i havent played the H3 playlist. Not interested in remakes. I have played Exterm. I dont remember framerate being a problem when i played, but updates have screwed framerate and lighting on maps in the past, so it may have happened again.

There are better forge maps out there.

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> Considering I mentioned remakes and BTB, the only playlist that exclusively has community forge maps is Extermination.

In your original post, you were wondering why there were so little forge maps in MM, but there’s Action Sack and Grifball to name a couple which are comprised of forge maps that came from the community so that’s why I wasn’t really sure what you meant, but I’m glad you clarified what you meant in a later post.

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The biggest problem is that 343i will not listen to us. No new maps for more than a year (which are really necessary). For me it feels like standstill sometimes.
We can only hope for the best here: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/92b5c5cfee994e7299608301a6b2eb11/topics/team-arena---map-submission-thread/f4cb91da-83d1-4cfe-8508-35fc31929b4a/posts

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We desperately need new forge maps in BTB. How many times can i play Eagle Square Etc…

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That was the strength of H3. Every playlist from doubles to big team was regularly being refreshed with new forge maps. This game all we get is the same forge maps for like a year, half of which are remakes anyway

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> We desperately need new forge maps in BTB. How many times can i play Eagle Square Etc…

I don’t understand why there hasn’t been more maps or more community integration. They took away more decent maps than have been added. I feel like Dispelled and Viking make up 75% of the playlist. And I HATE Dispelled.

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> > We desperately need new forge maps in BTB. How many times can i play Eagle Square Etc…
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> I don’t understand why there hasn’t been more maps or more community integration. They took away more decent maps than have been added. I feel like Dispelled and Viking make up 75% of the playlist. And I HATE Dispelled.

I like Dispelled but I totally agree with you. They removed some really fun maps from BTB.

Estuary, Unearthed, and Basin were all fun.

Ths Ghosts in the Shell playlist is probably the most memorable part of H5 MM for me as it was all new maps with a dark colors theme which I loved.

I dont care at all if maps have perfectly balanced spawns. I just wanna fight on some new maps.

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> Estuary, Unearthed, and Basin were all fun.
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> Ths Ghosts in the Shell playlist is probably the most memorable part of H5 MM for me as it was all new maps with a dark colors theme which I loved.

The Banshees ruined Estuary in my opinion. I liked the Ghosts playlist as well.

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I guess halo jus hasn’t looked into it…

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> That was the strength of H3. Every playlist from doubles to big team was regularly being refreshed with new forge maps. This game all we get is the same forge maps for like a year, half of which are remakes anyway

Exactly, there was always something to keep it fresh in H3. You didn’t have to like every map, the variety of the rest made up for the odd bad one. And H5 dev maps are so bad already that it’s difficult to top anyway lol.

The real issue is just how poorly optimized forge is. After all the hype and $$ put into forge, 343 doesn’t want anybody saying the maps are laggy so in all honesty, we’re just gonna have to wait to see what H6 gives us.

Hopefully they’ll concede and give us some rotational maps now that there’s no real spotlight on 343 anymore, there’s a lot more maps to work with now and the forge guys have gotten really good at avoiding laggy spots.

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> > That was the strength of H3. Every playlist from doubles to big team was regularly being refreshed with new forge maps. This game all we get is the same forge maps for like a year, half of which are remakes anyway
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> Exactly, there was always something to keep it fresh in H3. You didn’t have to like every map, the variety of the rest made up for the odd bad one. And H5 dev maps are so bad already that it’s difficult to top anyway lol.
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> The real issue is just how poorly optimized forge is. After all the hype and $$ put into forge, 343 doesn’t want anybody saying the maps are laggy so in all honesty, we’re just gonna have to wait to see what H6 gives us.
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> Hopefully they’ll concede and give us some rotational maps now that there’s no real spotlight on 343 anymore, there’s a lot more maps to work with now and the forge guys have gotten really good at avoiding laggy spots.

Frame rate drops are a non-issue on most 2-8 player maps. Fixing frame rate is easy, if that were the reason 343 has neglected forge maps. But, it isnt.

Idk how the same company responsible for Torque could be picky about maps in matchmaking…

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Bigger question why isn’t 343i fixing all the crashes and freezing in custom games and forge.

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> Bigger question why isn’t 343i fixing all the crashes and freezing in custom games and forge.

They were working on it a few months ago, but I don’t know if they’re still doing it or not.

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Because when you let Forge maps into MM you get Orion, Pegasus, and White Cell which are all trash. Those maps are why I hardly ever play the Slayer playlist. The BTB maps I’ve played have been good, although I think 343 should have developer-made BTB maps for Halo 6.

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Hey Xzamplez,

I can’t think of any forge maps I have played in Halo 5… I remember playing them in Halo 3, Halo 4, Halo Reach, H2A frequently though. I know in Halo 3 there were some incredible maps (I think of Onslaught, Amplified, etc.)… Halo Reach was Sanctuary, The Pit, and quite a few more… Halo 4 had quite a few tested maps I remember playing, although the game never really got going. I come from a competitive player point of view… if it wasn’t played at MLG Events, Gamebattles, etc, I wasn’t playing it… so I guess the equivalent to that now is HCS playlist… Having not played the maps much in Halo 5, I’m not sure how they run, I know after competing on forge maps in the old games, some would have severe FPS drops when scoping in or playing splitscreen (not that you can do that later now)… This was a major issue (didn’t happen in Halo 3 I don’t think, just H2A, Reach, H4?)

I know some people may not want remakes… For instance, Reach, H2A, and H4 were all trying to incorporate H2/H3 map remakes (which I personally am all for because I think H3 had the best maps in the history of Halo for a game’s variety)… but with the new introduced movements and for just the sole purpose of creating a new era, it would be ideal to not reuse the maps that we not only have already had, but have already reused.

Now when it comes to answering your question a bit more directly, I think that a great way to try to get maps recognized by 343i is to get them recognized by the community more first… This could be through the forums, this could be through customs, etc… I know I learned more about maps that weren’t in the competitive playlist from running pick-up games, random 8s, scrims, etc. with teams in custom game lobbies throughout Halo 3, Reach, 4, H2A, etc… People simply saying, “Hey, this map is in testing still… people are trying to get this to be added to the competitive map pool, do you guys wanna play it and see how it feels? You can send a message to the creator about what you think.”… and hey, it worked sometimes… popularity grew, some maps were added, some weren’t, it provided valuable information to the map creator, etc… There are other routes I suppose as well… When it comes to BTB and other playlists, I have no idea because I don’t load into those gametypes ever…but I’m sure there are routes somewhere! :slight_smile: