Why the Halo 5 Sandbox is an Unbalanced Joke.

Notes**:**
-This wall of text is made specifically for the Arena portion of Halo 5: Guardians. Since Warzone gameplay is DRASTICALLY different from playlists such as FFA and Slayer, the subject matter will stay within those boundaries.
-(When I use the word “Utility Weapon” in context with Halo 5 I’m talking about the pistol.)

Throughout Halo we have always had ONE utility weapon.

“Wow I can already see where this is going, OP just wants one weapon to dominate the sandbox!”

Just hear me out guys.
In terms of competitive Halo, it’s frustrating not to have a single utility weapon that’s strong enough to hold itself against the plentiful map pickups such as the BR, DMR and Storm Rifle.
Now let me tell you why having a single utility weapon is important and having normal pickup weapons being significantly better than the Utility weapon is a bad thing.

(For those who played Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 and even Halo Reach’s MLG playlist you’ll know what I’m talking about.)

The simple mechanic of “outshooting” someone is almost non-existent in Halo 5.
This is why:

Scenario 1: Halo 5
Starting weapons: AR, Pistol
Lets say Player 1 is slightly more skilled than Player 2. Player 1 outshoots Player 2 with the pistol. But when Player 2 respawns, he picks up one of the many rifles on the map. When the next engagement between Player 1 and Player 2 happens, Player 2 is able to kill Player 1 with ease.

Scenario 2: Halo CE
Starting Weapons: AR, Pistol
Once again, Player 1 is slightly more skilled than Player 2. Player 1 is able to outshoot Player 2 with the pistol. Player 2 respawns and there are no rifles on the map. When the next engagement happens, Player 1 once again, is able to outshoot Player 2 with the pistol.

“Why was Player 2 able to outshoot Player 1 in Scenario 1 but not in Scenario 2?”

Well, the answer is simple:
Player 2 had access to a much easier weapon when he respawned.

  • Weapon pickups in Halo 5 (Not Power Weapons) are all (most of them) able to beat the utility spawn weapon with less skill and more damage output. - In Halo CE there is nothing (Excluding power weapons) in between you and your opponent. This doesn’t mean normal weapon pickups are useless, it just means they have other uses besides killing fast at different ranges.In Example: the CE Plasma Rifle and Halo 5 Storm Rifle are very different.

  • The Plasma rifle eats shields but does not eat health as rapidly. - In Halo 5 the Storm rifle eats shields but also eats health.

  • The Plasma Rifle has less magnetism and a slower rate of fire. - The Storm Rifle has more magnetism and a higher rate of fire.

  • The PR has a stun mechanic. (In which you can only move slowly when being shot by it or when you get hijacked from a warthog.) - The SR just kills fast.In CE it is entirely possible in CQC to outshoot a PR, but it is also entirely possible to kill someone with the PR if you have the right angle on them. The only depth to the SR is killing fast regardless at which angle you engage from. (In H5 it’s almost impossible to outshoot a SR in CQC with a utility weapon.)

To be short, this problem with Halo 5 is the cluttered sandbox:
You outplay an individual with the utility weapon.
They pick up a widely available weapon that is easy to use.
You die because weapons that are easy to use are scattered everywhere.

Before this post comes to an end I’ll answer some statements in advance:

"Lol your jus bad at tha game, jus pick up the easy weaponz like every1 els."
-In every situation it is impossible to have the EXACT same weapon as your opponent. Especially in this case where the weapon is an actual map pickup. This leads to random and unbalanced play due to the fact that the DMR and BR are both better than the H5 Utility. In another context, I don’t do any work for a weapon, but now I have an edge over someone else who just spawned.

I get kills with the AR all the time in Arena.
-AR doesn’t take skill to use. The End.

Kinda agree. It’s funny how people say this game is so balanced and then hate CoD for their weapon balancing, even though all weapons are useful in CoD and in Halo 5.

All weapons have their use and situations

Halo 5 has the most balanced sandbox in starting weapons and map weapons

yes personal skill does play big part in gun fights but in both scenarios you conveniently leave out the fact that the player that won the engagement can grab the map weapon before the other respawns

player 2 does not kill player 1 with ease as you would say, i have take on several BRs with a pistol and either trade or get them one shot so a teammate can finish

having a BR or DMR doesnt guarantee the win in a gun fight

to your

> Now let me tell you why having a single utility weapon is important and having normal pickup weapons being significantly better than the Utility weapon is a bad thing.

then what would be the point of map weapons?

i can see you are an MLG playlist “hardcore” player and dont understand the nuances and reasons Halo is the greatest shooter of all time

> (For those who played Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 and even Halo Reach’s MLG playlist you’ll know what I’m talking about.)The simple mechanic of “outshooting” someone is almost non-existent in Halo 5.

i get what you are saying but its wrong

Reversal medals are a thing in Halo 5

if you have watched ANY HCS gameplay you will easily see that outshooting is definitely a thing in Halo 5

a map weapon pick up or certain starting weapons do not guarantee you a win or a kill, if that were the case then there would be lots of players with 50x the k/d they have now and players with a super low negative k/d

This game is the most balanced Halo game I’ve ever seen. Stop whining.

OP is a warzone player

he is by no means “bad at the game” but his arena time and ranks really dont justify his claims

he also likes FFA so i can see where he gets his anecdotal evidence

With effective use of jumps and thrusts, the pistol is a viable weapon in all situations in this game. Using smart play, and map knowledge, you have a chance against any opponent using any gun, just like in other Halos.

Respectfully I’m going to have to disagree with you OP.

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> player 2 does not kill player 1 with ease as you would say, i have take on several BRs with a pistol and either trade or get them one shot so a teammate can finish

Yes he does,
The BR has more Magnetism and aim assist than the pistol. I’m sure if you ran the simulation a few dozen time there will be instances where player 1 kills player 2. But realistically the BR is a crutch that allows less skilled players to use the the fullest extent.

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> OP is a warzone player
> he is by no means “bad at the game” but his arena time and ranks really dont justify his claims
> he also likes FFA so i can see where he gets his anecdotal evidence

I’ve played enough Halo and Arena to know gameplay mechanics. The only reason I play Warzone is grinding for Reqtard points.

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> > player 2 does not kill player 1 with ease as you would say, i have take on several BRs with a pistol and either trade or get them one shot so a teammate can finish
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> Yes he does,
> The BR has more Magnetism and aim assist than the pistol. I’m sure if you ran the simulation a few dozen time there will be instances where player 1 kills player 2. But realistically the BR is a crutch that allows less skilled players to use the the fullest extent.

But this just gives you more incentive to get better with the pistol, I’m not saying your bad but once you get extremely skilled with the pistol then you will be able to outgun an average BR user. And then once you get your hands on a BR you’ll be able to land 4-shots all day.

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> With effective use of jumps and thrusts, the pistol is a viable weapon in all situations in this game. Using smart play, and map knowledge, you have a chance against any opponent using any gun, just like in other Halos.
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> Respectfully I’m going to have to disagree with you OP.

That point is irrelevant,
Its doesn’t matter how good you are. If you are against someone with the same skill level and he picks up a BR (which requires no effort to do) he automatically has an edge on you.

All the weapons in the Halo 5 sandbox are viable when used in the proper situation, skilled players using precision weapons will still more often than not out shoot other players regardless of weapons they’re using. As far as this being a bad thing I completely disagree, in previous halos there was virtually no reason to pick up any other weapon unless it was a power weapon, now all the weapons can be useful in the right hands and in the right scenario. Comparing Halo 5 to COD merely because all the weapons are viable is a stretch, the biggest difference between COD and Halo is the TTK.

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> > player 2 does not kill player 1 with ease as you would say, i have take on several BRs with a pistol and either trade or get them one shot so a teammate can finish
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> Yes he does,
> The BR has more Magnetism and aim assist than the pistol. I’m sure if you ran the simulation a few dozen time there will be instances where player 1 kills player 2. But realistically the BR is a crutch that allows less skilled players to use the the fullest extent.

again that is assuming a lot about tens of thousands of players

but using your rules and assumptions i can say that if a BR takes less skill to use and you get beat by a less skilled person does that mean you are less skilled because you couldnt out shoot them?

at that i would then say “get gud” because you cant beat a “less skilled person using a crutch weapon”

The difference with the previous Halo’s compared to H5, all the weapons are viable in their respective range in H5. I had to get over the pride I had in regards to just using precision weapons. I finally came to realization I’m only hurting my team for not utilizing all weapons available on the map besides my precision weapon/power weapons. After this realization, I have a completely different standpoint as you. I used to think exactly like what you just explained, but now my viewpoint has changed.

The objective of Halo has not changed, which is to win. Doesn’t matter how you do it, a win is a win. In a lobby of full champions in FFA on Overgrowth, the person who won the game had zero, ZERO headshots. That person clearly used the map and weapons to his or her advantage and dominated us. People with a good strafe/dance can still out gun a person with a pistol against a BR/DMR/LR.

Your scenario 1 is already invalid as you haven’t included range, terrain or what weapon he is using.

You can’t just say “he picked up a weapon so he will beat the better player.”

That’s the worst basis for an argument I’ve read today…I don’t think you have thought this through mate…

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> > > player 2 does not kill player 1 with ease as you would say, i have take on several BRs with a pistol and either trade or get them one shot so a teammate can finish
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> > Yes he does,
> > The BR has more Magnetism and aim assist than the pistol. I’m sure if you ran the simulation a few dozen time there will be instances where player 1 kills player 2. But realistically the BR is a crutch that allows less skilled players to use the the fullest extent.
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> But this just gives you more incentive to get better with the pistol, I’m not saying your bad but once you get extremely skilled with the pistol then you will be able to outgun an average BR user. And then once you get your hands on a BR you’ll be able to land 4-shots all day.

Anyone with half a brain can get a 4-shot with a BR. If you look at pro gameplay that literally all that happens when one is picked up.
The only way to beat someone with a BR is to 5 them with the pistol which is hard even for pros.

like, pros literally just go for BR’s and DMR’s right at the start of a match because its AN EASIER WEAPON TO USE. Watching someone get a 4 shot with a BR or 5 with a DMR tends to be boring because it happens so often.

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> Your scenario 1 is already invalid as you haven’t included range, terrain or what weapon he is using.
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> You can’t just say “he picked up a weapon so he will beat the better player.”
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> That’s the worst basis for an argument I’ve read today…I don’t think you have thought this through mate…

You’d be lying to yourself if you thought the BR doesn’t give someone and edge.
my scenario says that these two individuals are similar in skill. So something like a BR into an already similar skill set can change the game.

The halo 5 sandbox may be near balanced but is not like that sandbox mess fest of h2 and h3. Dual wielding really ruined a large portion of that sandbox.

Do do I think any of them are perfect? Nope.
Do I think all non- power weapons have a chance of beating others? Yep.

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> > > Yes he does,
> > > The BR has more Magnetism and aim assist than the pistol. I’m sure if you ran the simulation a few dozen time there will be instances where player 1 kills player 2. But realistically the BR is a crutch that allows less skilled players to use the the fullest extent.
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> > But this just gives you more incentive to get better with the pistol, I’m not saying your bad but once you get extremely skilled with the pistol then you will be able to outgun an average BR user. And then once you get your hands on a BR you’ll be able to land 4-shots all day.
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> Anyone with half a brain can get a 4-shot with a BR. If you look at pro gameplay that literally all that happens when one is picked up.
> The only way to beat someone with a BR is to 5 them with the pistol which is hard even for pros.
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> like, pros literally just go for BR’s and DMR’s right at the start of a match because its AN EASIER WEAPON TO USE. Watching someone get a 4 shot with a BR or 5 with a DMR tends to be boring because it happens so often.

But if it wasn’t easier to use then there would be no reason to pick it up, and I but that a person using a Magnum has outgunned a person using a BR in the HWC, I haven’t been watching them but I can almost guarantee that it has happened.

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> > With effective use of jumps and thrusts, the pistol is a viable weapon in all situations in this game. Using smart play, and map knowledge, you have a chance against any opponent using any gun, just like in other Halos.
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> > Respectfully I’m going to have to disagree with you OP.
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> That point is irrelevant,
> Its doesn’t matter how good you are. If you are against someone with the same skill level and he picks up a BR (which requires no effort to do) he automatically has an edge on you.

Thats kind of the point of map pick up weapons.

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> The difference with the previous Halo’s compared to H5, all the weapons are viable in their respective range in H5. I had to get over the pride I had in regards to just using precision weapons. I finally came to realization I’m only hurting my team for not utilizing all weapons available on the map besides my precision weapon/power weapons. After this realization, I have a completely different standpoint as you. I used to think exactly like what you just explained, but now my viewpoint has changed.
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> The objective of Halo has not changed, which is to win. Doesn’t matter how you do it, a win is a win. In a lobby of full champions in FFA on Overgrowth, the person who won the game had zero, ZERO headshots. That person clearly used the map and weapons to his or her advantage and dominated us. People with a good strafe/dance can still out gun a person with a pistol against a BR/DMR/LR.

If you visit a competitive Halo forum overgrowth is probably looked at as the worst map due to Shotgun, radar and camping.