The dmr is so overpowered. Its essentially a cross between the magnum and the sniper rifle. No one other then noobs like it or use it, and it introduces a whole new level of camping to the game. If you want to snipe, get the sniper rifle or even the light-rifle (which actually requires skill as it shows the location of the shooter). All noobs need to get a kill is invisibility and a dmr. Seriously, why was it introduced into the game?
> The dmr is so overpowered.
Established.
> Its essentially a cross between the magnum and the sniper rifle.
It’s a magnum with a vastly inferior killtime but way easier to use.
> No one other then noobs like it or use it,
Plenty of people like a weapon that is accurate and doesn’t rely on luck or good netcode to hit opponents.
> and it introduces a whole new level of camping to the game.
As does the Light Rifle, I actually prefer the Light Rifle for sniping because it does more damage, even with bodyshots.
> If you want to snipe, get the sniper rifle or even the light-rifle (which actually requires skill as it shows the location of the shooter).
I will say the Sniper Rifle feels underpowered now that the DMR can easily counter it. The solution would be to lower the DMR’s red reticle range so it isn’t dominating snipers.
Regarding “showing the location of the shooter”, the DMR leaves bullet trails, they just aren’t as in-your-face.
> All noobs need to get a kill is invisibility and a dmr. Seriously, why was it introduced into the game?
Will agree that active camo sniping is very OP.
It may be OP but that is only part of the issue, so u nerf the dmrs kill time and aim assist to make the CoD playrs rage a little. Then what, thats right… you still use the DMR, unless the DMR becomes so bad that the BR is the only option (im down for this idea) the nnothing changes, the fact is, the BR forces you to move around the map, moving around the map poses more risk of dieing, staying back with a DMR tht still kills quick is still a trampy mechanic, theres alredy a sniper in the game, make the DMR a power wep or sumthin
Nerf the RoF & Aim Assist and there you go.
Know what else forces people to move around the map? Objective gametypes. Perhaps people should stop playing Infinity Slayer 24/7 and give those a try.
But anyways, all that is needed is to give people a reason to actually use the BR. If the BR has an inferior killtime and an inferior range there is no reason for me to equip it. But if it has a superior killtime at the cost of range it will reward map movement without making any changes to the DMR necessary.
The solution isn’t to nerf the DMR. The solution is to buff the BR to a 4SK. That would reward players with good map positioning, and it could actually counter the DMR.
Light Rifle and Carbine are god-awful and should never be used by anyone.
> The solution isn’t to nerf the DMR. The solution is to buff the BR to a 4SK. That would reward players with good map positioning, and it could actually counter the DMR.
Why are people so -Yoink!- about the BR being a 4sk?
> Light Rifle and Carbine are god-awful and should never be used by anyone.
The Carbine is awful.
The Light Rifle is statistically the best rifle in the game, and in practice it comes close.
> The solution isn’t to nerf the DMR. The solution is to buff the BR to a 4SK. That would reward players with good map positioning, and it could actually counter the DMR.
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> Light Rifle and Carbine are god-awful and should never be used by anyone.
Im not even going to begin to explain what is so very wrong with this…
> Know what else forces people to move around the map? Objective gametypes. Perhaps people should stop playing Infinity Slayer 24/7 and give those a try.
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> But anyways, all that is needed is to give people a reason to actually use the BR. If the BR has an inferior killtime and an inferior range there is no reason for me to equip it. But if it has a superior killtime at the cost of range it will reward map movement without making any changes to the DMR necessary.
Unfortunately it then overpowers ALL the other weapons just to keep the DMR in check. So no.
The light rifle is great but it does have a much larger skill gap than the other rifles
> > Know what else forces people to move around the map? Objective gametypes. Perhaps people should stop playing Infinity Slayer 24/7 and give those a try.
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> > But anyways, all that is needed is to give people a reason to actually use the BR. If the BR has an inferior killtime and an inferior range there is no reason for me to equip it. But if it has a superior killtime at the cost of range it will reward map movement without making any changes to the DMR necessary.
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> Unfortunately it then overpowers ALL the other weapons just to keep the DMR in check. So no.
A BR with a 1.35 killtime doesn’t overpower any of the automatics, nor any of the power weapons.
It just eliminates any map movement. That’s why I don’t like it.
In some competitive circles like EGL, they have been using a 4SK BR for a while now with a lot of success. I don’t think you fully understand all the advantages that this would have. First, it rewards map positioning, like I said. Not camping, but also not just sprinting across the middle of the map. It punishes sprint-abuse, which is stupid in this game anyways. If it turns out to be too good at 4SK, slow the rate of fire down a bit to where it’s still a faster kill than the DMR, but can’t compete as well long range.
> > > Know what else forces people to move around the map? Objective gametypes. Perhaps people should stop playing Infinity Slayer 24/7 and give those a try.
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> > > But anyways, all that is needed is to give people a reason to actually use the BR. If the BR has an inferior killtime and an inferior range there is no reason for me to equip it. But if it has a superior killtime at the cost of range it will reward map movement without making any changes to the DMR necessary.
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> > Unfortunately it then overpowers ALL the other weapons just to keep the DMR in check. So no.
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> A BR with a 1.35 killtime doesn’t overpower any of the automatics, nor any of the power weapons.
Theoretically doesn’t overpower automatics assuming you are within the closest of ranges. Automatics would cease to be semi-useful at slight distances like they are now. It DOES overpower the carbine beyond saving and even lightrifle would be hard pressed to handle BR in close-mid. No. BR is fine as is we just need to fix the DMR, currently the only truly unbalanced precision loadout weapon.
The DMR is a rifle, plain and simple, it’s designed to scuff things up.
Honestly, go to the weapons forum and provide FEEDBACK. Say what you think of the weapon sandbox, what you think can be changed, and WHY. This thread won’t do anything and will probably be locked soon enough.
> Honestly, go to the weapons forum and provide FEEDBACK. Say what you think of the weapon sandbox, what you think can be changed, and WHY. This thread won’t do anything and will probably be locked soon enough.
Why? For stating an opinion? If they lock this because I wanted to express myself, that will tell me something about how much they care about their community.
Also: The DMR is too generic. There have been way too many mid-range weapons added in H4. It really destroys the verity of skirmishes that made H3 so exciting. Some examples: Carbine, Lightrifle, Mag (Yes, it counts as mid-range), DMR, BR, and the pulse rifle. Get some imagination! The incineration cannon was a start, but they havn’t done much else.
> The dmr is so overpowered. Its essentially a cross between the magnum and the sniper rifle. <mark>No one other then noobs like it or use it</mark>, and it introduces a whole new level of camping to the game. If you want to snipe, get the sniper rifle or even the light-rifle (which actually requires skill as it shows the location of the shooter). All noobs need to get a kill is invisibility and a dmr. Seriously, why was it introduced into the game?
And why is the DMR your most used weapon ???
its been a while, but isnt the dmr 3x while the rest are 2x? i think making it 2x would go a long ways.
my experience with lr is it is far superior in zoom, and i seem to have a more difficult time unzoomed. the carbine feels exactly the opposite. dmr seemed to suffer no side effect when zoomed or not. i havent used the br much.
i dont understand why any of them have better or worst aim assist and magnetism then another. i could understand if their was a variance based on distance, but i havent noticed anything like that.
my biggest problem with it is how much it is used. custom loadouts were supposed to mean variety, but 90% use dmr with camo or pv.
> > The solution isn’t to nerf the DMR. The solution is to buff the BR to a 4SK. That would reward players with good map positioning, and it could actually counter the DMR.
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> Why are people so -Yoink!- about the BR being a 4sk?
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> > Light Rifle and Carbine are god-awful and should never be used by anyone.
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> The Carbine is awful.
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> The Light Rifle is statistically the best rifle in the game, and in practice it comes close.
The only buff for the BR that I see is a reduction in bullet spread.
The Carbine needs the most attention and the only DMR nerf that I am ok with is a reduction in aim assist from 110m to like 95m
and Magnetism needs to be reduced on all weapons.