You see, many of you weren’t here when Halo 2 came out, but in Halo 2, you could see your rank in the game, but you could also see online on your PC how far you were into your level as represented by a blue bar. So if you were a level 35, you could kind of estimate how many wins you needed to get a 36. This wasn’t as annoying as you’d think, which means this smartphone model will work well.
It WILL make high ranks less desirable and thus make significantly less people derank or boost. Anyone who played Halo 2 or Halo 3 saw that at the higher ranks, there was always a significant amount of gaming the system. There was nothing more annoying than being one win away from ranking up, to then joining a game where your three teammate commit suicide 10 times and then quit.
However, this is why it will ultimately fail:
It’s coming too late! The key to having a good ranking system is to have a large sample size. The population of this game is too small, and by April will dwindle further. If the past Team Slayer Pro playlist is any indication, there will very few players in this ranked playlist. This means people will be rank locked early, and either look for other means of exploiting the system, or just not playing ranked.
Out of sight out of mind. The problem with it being hard to see the CSR means that people might just not care about winning, and just quit games early when they are down. This essentially replaces any benefit of avoiding derankers and boosters, since people quitting games instead of playing them through for possible comebacks hurts the ranking system. It’s hard to assess how many people have smart phones or computers near by to see their up to the minute ranking system, but from reading complaints, it seems like there is still a sizeable amount of people without that luxury.
Halo Waypoint is a clunky piece of crap. This is a HUGE problem. Halo Waypoint on the iPhone is hard to navigate, and it updates SLOWLY. 15-20 minutes may elapse until stats from previous games show up. So the CSR being displayed on the waypoint app will be outdated.
343 doesnt know what they are doing. Lets face it. They get it wrong more often than they get it right. They drop and fumble just about every ball we pass to them. Changes in the ranking algorithm will have some unforseen nuances that make it effectively meaningless. I can see the ranking system either being too lenient and making it even easier to get 50’s just to stroke everyone’s egos, OR I see them being extremely stupid and making it way too easy to get rank locked.
> You see, many of you weren’t here when Halo 2 came out, but in Halo 2, you could see your rank in the game, but you could also see online on your PC how far you were into your level as represented by a blue bar. So if you were a level 35, you could kind of estimate how many wins you needed to get a 36. This wasn’t as annoying as you’d think, which means this smartphone model will work well.
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> It WILL make high ranks less desirable and thus make significantly less people derank or boost. Anyone who played Halo 2 or Halo 3 saw that at the higher ranks, there was always a significant amount of gaming the system. There was nothing more annoying than being one win away from ranking up, to then joining a game where your three teammate commit suicide 10 times and then quit.
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> However, this is why it will ultimately fail:
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> 1. It’s coming too late! The key to having a good ranking system is to have a large sample size. The population of this game is too small, and by April will dwindle further. If the past Team Slayer Pro playlist is any indication, there will very few players in this ranked playlist. This means people will be rank locked early, and either look for other means of exploiting the system, or just not playing ranked.
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> 2. Out of sight out of mind. The problem with it being hard to see the CSR means that people might just not care about winning, and just quit games early when they are down. This essentially replaces any benefit of avoiding derankers and boosters, since people quitting games instead of playing them through for possible comebacks hurts the ranking system. It’s hard to assess how many people have smart phones or computers near by to see their up to the minute ranking system, but from reading complaints, it seems like there is still a sizeable amount of people without that luxury.
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> 3. Halo Waypoint is a clunky piece of crap. This is a HUGE problem. Halo Waypoint on the iPhone is hard to navigate, and it updates SLOWLY. 15-20 minutes may elapse until stats from previous games show up. So the CSR being displayed on the waypoint app will be outdated.
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> 4. 343 doesnt know what they are doing. Lets face it. They get it wrong more often than they get it right. They drop and fumble just about every ball we pass to them. Changes in the ranking algorithm will have some unforseen nuances that make it effectively meaningless. I can see the ranking system either being too lenient and making it even easier to get 50’s just to stroke everyone’s egos, OR I see them being extremely stupid and making it way too easy to get rank locked.
Dang, you’re right. That is exactly how I felt when i heard about its release date and its features.
Yeah I can’t trust 343 will do anything properly at this point. I know I’ve given them plenty of chances, I come back here just to see what’s been going on but I get disgusted playing “Halo” 4.
You are right. When I wrote it I was kinda just mentally thinking about how in the past, we could reference our rank progress through an online medium and it wasn’t bad, so thus having to see our ranks through smartphoens and PCs now won’t be bad either. It was poorly explained.
> i feel like your referencing halo 2 was completely irrelevant. Like nothing you said about halo 2 had much bearing.
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> also, the way you feel that this CSR would fix deranking is a bit odd. I cant imagine it would have any effect on it.
You are right. When I wrote it I was kinda just mentally thinking about how in the past, we could reference our rank progress through an online medium and it wasn’t bad, so thus having to see our ranks through smartphones and PCs now won’t be bad either. It was poorly explained.
I totally forgot about derankers. I just remembered all of the negative things that come with a 1-50 system from the Halo 2-3 days. Joining the last game you need to win before reaching the next rank and having everyone on your team commit suicide or team kill each other the whole game, the people that level up to 50 and then sell the account so that there are a ton of level 50s running around that actually suck and will go negative every game and the people with 35 different accounts just so they can continue owning less skilled players once they start getting to the higher ranks. Ugh.
> The rank will be a reward for dedicated fans of the game who visit the official website for Halo.
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> Long term I see this as smart move on 343’s part.
Long term?
Its going to take 6 months + to get ranks out for about 100k players to enjoy a rank. lets be honest, by the time we can tell how well this works out halo 5 will already be announced !!
I think the boosting, modding, and standby issues are totally blown out of proportion. The benefits and incentive to keep playing with a ranking system that can apply to everyone vastly outweighs the small population that chooses to boost or cheat.
As it stands for me, CSR is too much of an inconvenience to keep track of. I used rank for two things.
To measure the skill of those I’m playing against (Which I can no longer do).
Or to keep playing to get that next rank and show it off to other players (Which is now too inconvenient to properly do.)
People don’t hail BPR as the ranking solution to Halo Reach, and I don’t think this will work either. If they have rank visible at all, try it out in the new competitive playlist. If boosting ruins it, then they can take it out.
I just love the idea of some kid somewhere buying his CSR-50 account, and no one caring because no one can see it unless he shows it them, and they’ll be able to see straight away that he bought it.
So yeah, long as that happens even once, I’m happy with the ranking system.
> If the only reason you play Halo is to flash a lvl 50 “skill” rating then you were never a real Halo fan to begin with /thread
Just making a logical opinion, but I think you’re wrong.
There are many different types of fans, and some care about ranking and leveling in games.
I don’t find that particularly satisfying, personally, but saying they aren’t a ‘real’ fan just because they disagree with you is a little harsh.
