shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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im getting a smell of troll from this post… where is that bridge?
Peculiar, people raged at the possibility of the Shotgun being a loadout weapon even if it was nerfed but are pleased to hear Automatic weapons kill devastatingly fast in CQC whilst being ineffective any other range. 
> shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
noob.
> > shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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> noob.
And so it begins…
> > shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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> noob.
What are you trying to say? Yes I like Noob saibot. I hope you don’t mean what I think you mean. Come face me with any loadout weapon at close range and I’ll use the AR or SR watch me beat dat -Yoink!-.
> > So… what’s the topic of discussion here? Because all the OP gives is his opinion stated as fact.
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> In the OP I calculated the following values:
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> 100% opinion
> 0% fact.
i fixed it for you.
> > > So… what’s the topic of discussion here? Because all the OP gives is his opinion stated as fact.
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> > In the OP I calculated the following values:
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> > 100% opinion
> > 0% fact.
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> i fixed it for you.
Yeah? Show me.
I don’t understand the confusion…
The utility weapons, namely the BR, was made to be effective in all situations. It’s good, but not great, and will easily be beaten by a weapon better suited in that particular scenario. That is, assuming that both players are of equal skill.
The AR is made for close quarters combat. Obviously it’s going to be beaten by the BR in any other situation.
That’s how it is, that’s how it should be, and hopefully that’s how it will stay.
This isn’t opinion, this is fact. Anyone who actually understands Halo understands this simple concept. If you disagree, I would recommend working on your own traits as a player rather than trying to change the game to be more “noob-friendly”.
> > > shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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> > noob.
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> What are you trying to say? Yes I like Noob saibot. I hope you don’t mean what I think you mean. Come face me with any loadout weapon at close range and I’ll use the AR or SR watch me beat dat -Yoink!-.
A perfect four-shot BR or 5-shot DMR can beat a perfect AR spray in close quarters. But if you’re getting four-shotted, your AR/SR isn’t going to be on point anyways. Only chance you have is getting close enough for the melee. And even then it’d be a draw.
> Yeah? Show me.
> Automatics exist (in Halo) as a go-to weapon for casuals who have limited skill in tracking a target. While the AR is a relatively weak weapon, it’s aim-assist and bullet magnetism levels are high enough to make it the more lethal choice for an unskilled player.
Opinion.
> As much as a lot of people would like it to be as effective as the precision weapons, making it a worthy alternative to the BR/DMR/Carbine, it is needed to fill the role of a beginners choice weapon.
Opinion.
Done.
That is true for it seems every other Halo, just not Halo 4. The automatic weapons in Halo 4 dominate at their range, which is close range. Mid and long they are pretty useless. But at close range, the AR in a skilled players hands can take down someone with a precision weapon.
> Peculiar, people raged at the possibility of the Shotgun being a loadout weapon even if it was nerfed but are pleased to hear Automatic weapons kill devastatingly fast in CQC whilst being ineffective any other range.
The shotgun can kill in one shot, while the automatic weapons require you to expend more than half a clip.
> > Peculiar, people raged at the possibility of the Shotgun being a loadout weapon even if it was nerfed but are pleased to hear Automatic weapons kill devastatingly fast in CQC whilst being ineffective any other range.
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> The shotgun can kill in one shot, while the automatic weapons require you to expend more than half a clip.
I didn’t make my point very well. What I tried to say was every automatic weapon I see in the Primary weapon Sandbox effectively operate like nerfed Shotguns in that they are only effective in the close range niche but in that very limited niche they dominate.
I personally don’t think weapons like this promote good gameplay as spawning weapons because one they are very limited and two they take little skill to use once in their close range niche.
> > > > The AR and storm rifle will not be nearly as effective as BR/DMR/Carbine in almost all situations, for the same reason they sucked in every Halo to date:
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> > > > Automatics exist (in Halo) as a go-to weapon for casuals who have limited skill in tracking a target. While the AR is a relatively weak weapon, it’s aim-assist and bullet magnetism levels are high enough to make it the more lethal choice for an unskilled player.
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> > > > As much as a lot of people would like it to be as effective as the precision weapons, making it a worthy alternative to the BR/DMR/Carbine, it is needed to fill the role of a beginners choice weapon.
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> > > for the same reason they sucked in every Halo to date:
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> > they sucked in every Halo to date
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> every Halo to date
Now… you do realize In halo: Combat evolved the AR was the main weapon, aside the Magnum.
And also useless thread is useless. Short mid to close range the automatic well shred an precision rifle. Obviously as well vice-versa in mid to long range situation.
I think you have the word “sucked” with the word “limited.” Automatics are made for short range CQC types of battles so what they can do is very limited but they do wonderful in the role they were built for.
Precision weapons are “good” because they fit more then one role. They have versitility, something automatics don’t have. From my experience at RTX and PAX automatics still have the same role as always But they feel stronger and better then before.
Also nice shot at the casuals. That isn’t old at all.
> > > > shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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> > > noob.
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> > What are you trying to say? Yes I like Noob saibot. I hope you don’t mean what I think you mean. Come face me with any loadout weapon at close range and I’ll use the AR or SR watch me beat dat -Yoink!-.
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> A perfect four-shot BR or 5-shot DMR can beat a perfect AR spray in close quarters. But if you’re getting four-shotted, your AR/SR isn’t going to be on point anyways. Only chance you have is getting close enough for the melee. And even then it’d be a draw.
You must be terrible with the AR. At CQC the spread isn’t wide enough to miss it has a faster kill time than the BR and DMR which is a fact. The problem is, at mid and long some bullets will miss because of spread and the bullets won’t make it that far.
> That is true for it seems every other Halo, just not Halo 4. The automatic weapons in Halo 4 dominate at their range, which is close range. Mid and long they are pretty useless. But at close range, the AR in a skilled players hands can take down someone with a precision weapon.
this^. Pokey clyde always seems to know what he is talking about, unlike some people.
> > > > > shows what this guy know, the AR and SR rip shields apart. Better than the DMR, BR,LR and carbine at close range.
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> > > > noob.
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> > > What are you trying to say? Yes I like Noob saibot. I hope you don’t mean what I think you mean. Come face me with any loadout weapon at close range and I’ll use the AR or SR watch me beat dat -Yoink!-.
> >
> > A perfect four-shot BR or 5-shot DMR can beat a perfect AR spray in close quarters. But if you’re getting four-shotted, your AR/SR isn’t going to be on point anyways. Only chance you have is getting close enough for the melee. And even then it’d be a draw.
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> You must be terrible with the AR. At CQC the spread isn’t wide enough to miss it has a faster kill time than the BR and DMR which is a fact. The problem is, at mid and long some bullets will miss because of spread and the bullets won’t make it that far.
I’m sure i can out-AR you.
> But from what I have seen… The Automatics absolutely dominate in close quarters.
The SAW does and that’s it. If you have good aim you can beat anyone up close that’s using an Assault Rifle.