Why some people are leaving/left halo 5

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
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> > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
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> > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > >
> > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > >
> > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> >
> >
> > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> >
> > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> >
> > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
>
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> The req system most certainly is NOT great. First of all, you have no control over what weapons you get. Second, within an hour time span (I only play for an hour) I barely scrounge up enough points to afford a silver req. So I can grind forever to make enough points to get a higher req and still get -Yoink- weapons. This is why I stopped playing multiplayer.
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> Second, that whole “play something else” argument is -Yoink-. I don’t want to play something else. I want to play Halo and H5 just doesn’t feel like Halo at all. We want a return to the feeling of the old days and less competitive, more casual play. It’s a video game for crying out loud, not a major league sport.

Which is funny. Back in Halo Reach, MLG dropped the Halo series (and buried it with Halo 4), and people were begging for it to return to the days of actual competitiveness and ranks.

“Casual play” dominated Halo Reach and Halo 4, which is one reason why the population was declining.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > >
> > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > >
> > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> >
> >
> > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> >
> > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> >
> > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
>
>
> The req system most certainly is NOT great. First of all, you have no control over what weapons you get. Second, within an hour time span (I only play for an hour) I barely scrounge up enough points to afford a silver req. So I can grind forever to make enough points to get a higher req and still get -Yoink- weapons. This is why I stopped playing multiplayer.
>
> Second, that whole “play something else” argument is -Yoink-. I don’t want to play something else. I want to play Halo and H5 just doesn’t feel like Halo at all. We want a return to the feeling of the old days and less competitive, more casual play. It’s a video game for crying out loud, not a major league sport.

If you enjoy playing Halo, then the REQs come naturally. But if you don’t like Halo 5 then it doesn’t really affect you does it?

The “play something else” argument is very valid. If you don’t enjoy Halo 5 don’t play it, a game is supposed to be fun.

As for less competitive… haven’t you played the old Halos? They were all competitive. What people like you don’t seem to be able to grasp is that for every easy game you have, someone else has a hard game. For every kill you get, someone else dies. Halo will always be competitive because people want to win.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > > >
> > > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > > >
> > > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> > >
> > >
> > > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> > >
> > > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> > >
> > > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
> >
> >
> > The req system most certainly is NOT great. First of all, you have no control over what weapons you get. Second, within an hour time span (I only play for an hour) I barely scrounge up enough points to afford a silver req. So I can grind forever to make enough points to get a higher req and still get -Yoink- weapons. This is why I stopped playing multiplayer.
> >
> > Second, that whole “play something else” argument is -Yoink-. I don’t want to play something else. I want to play Halo and H5 just doesn’t feel like Halo at all. We want a return to the feeling of the old days and less competitive, more casual play. It’s a video game for crying out loud, not a major league sport.
>
>
> Which is funny. Back in Halo Reach, MLG dropped the Halo series (and buried it with Halo 4), and people were begging for it to return to the days of actual competitiveness and ranks.
>
> “Casual play” dominated Halo Reach and Halo 4, which is one reason why the population was declining.

I have never once, nor will I ever, complain about Halo Reach or Halo 4. I loved both of those at launch and miss the gameplay of them.

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> If you enjoy playing Halo, then the REQs come naturally. But if you don’t like Halo 5 then it doesn’t really affect you does it?
>
> The “play something else” argument is very valid. If you don’t enjoy Halo 5 don’t play it, a game is supposed to be fun.
>
> As for less competitive… haven’t you played the old Halos? They were all competitive. What people like you don’t seem to be able to grasp is that for every easy game you have, someone else has a hard game. For every kill you get, someone else dies. Halo will always be competitive because people want to win.

Yes, but they are catering to this stupid new Esports crap. Video games are NOT a major league sport and they never will be. Major League sports are things where people get outside and actually play the sport. Baseball, Football, Soccer, etc.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> >
> >
> > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> >
> > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> >
> > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
>
>
> The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
>
> I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
>
> All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.

The REQ system is not great. Why the hell should i have to keep earning a bunch of crappy cosmetics just to get the one I want. Having to potentially play over 700 hours just to get the ONE cosmetic I want is not fun. It’s incredibly tedious, and even if I did spend money on REQ packs instead, I might have to pay over $1000 to get the cosmetic I want.

I might enjoy playing Halo, but I don’t want to have to devote so much of my time to it just for cosmetics.

Also I have already explained how Halo 5 is different to 2 and 3 in regards to the changes it made. But clearly you don’t seem to understand because you’re just spewing out the same ‘Halo needs to evolve if you don’t like it deal with it’ argument which I’ve heard about 1000 times on these forums by now. That’s not an argument, it’s just a way of trying to justify all the crappy changes made to Halo.

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This is solely in response to the thread title, not what seems to be the ensuing argument…

To, “Why some people are leaving/left Halo”

I have more or less left Halo, but I do not look back on it negatively.
This is not a point of debate over who is right or wrong, but my opinion(which I feel is right), but I thoroughly enjoyed Halo 5. I enjoyed the campaign, despite delivering something contrary to what I initially expected.
And I enjoyed the range of multiplayer experiences, even with the various hurdles that had.

More recently, being in Australia, the multiplayer experience has been hugely limited in what I can play with decent connection, and I have fibre internet. Apparently, this is a population-related issue.
But that has made WZFF the only really playable MP, which gets boring after a while. If I could connect with warzone or arena games without issue then I would not be getting bored with it so soon.

So I have “left” Halo 5.
That’s not to say I won’t come back every so often to play my favourite campaign missions.

Now I’m going to go stab Dodo’s on Ark Survival Evolved, because why the hell not!

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > >
> > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > >
> > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> >
> >
> > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> >
> > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> >
> > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
>
>
> The REQ system is not great. Why the hell should i have to keep earning a bunch of crappy cosmetics just to get the one I want. Having to potentially play over 700 hours just to get the ONE cosmetic I want is not fun. It’s incredibly tedious, and even if I did spend money on REQ packs instead, I might have to pay over $1000 to get the cosmetic I want.
>
> I might enjoy playing Halo, but I don’t want to have to devote so much of my time to it just for cosmetics.
>
> Also I have already explained how Halo 5 is different to 2 and 3 in regards to the changes it made. But clearly you don’t seem to understand because you’re just spewing out the same ‘Halo needs to evolve if you don’t like it deal with it’ argument which I’ve heard about 1000 times on these forums by now. That’s not an argument, it’s just a way of trying to justify all the crappy changes made to Halo.

Yeah in Halo reach and Halo 3 people cared more about cosmetics. Being able to actually buy and earn cosmetics make people want to play more. Halo 5 does this terribly by putting in a system that does not reward anyone for completing achievements or beating opponents on the battlefield. instead it creates a blanket reward system that is designed around randomness. Think about getting recon in halo 3. It isn’t about the armor. it’s about what it took to get the armor

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> > > >
> > > > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> > > >
> > > > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
> > >
> > >
> > > The req system most certainly is NOT great. First of all, you have no control over what weapons you get. Second, within an hour time span (I only play for an hour) I barely scrounge up enough points to afford a silver req. So I can grind forever to make enough points to get a higher req and still get -Yoink- weapons. This is why I stopped playing multiplayer.
> > >
> > > Second, that whole “play something else” argument is -Yoink-. I don’t want to play something else. I want to play Halo and H5 just doesn’t feel like Halo at all. We want a return to the feeling of the old days and less competitive, more casual play. It’s a video game for crying out loud, not a major league sport.
> >
> >
> > Which is funny. Back in Halo Reach, MLG dropped the Halo series (and buried it with Halo 4), and people were begging for it to return to the days of actual competitiveness and ranks.
> >
> > “Casual play” dominated Halo Reach and Halo 4, which is one reason why the population was declining.
>
>
> I have never once, nor will I ever, complain about Halo Reach or Halo 4. I loved both of those at launch and miss the gameplay of them.
>
>
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> > If you enjoy playing Halo, then the REQs come naturally. But if you don’t like Halo 5 then it doesn’t really affect you does it?
> >
> > The “play something else” argument is very valid. If you don’t enjoy Halo 5 don’t play it, a game is supposed to be fun.
> >
> > As for less competitive… haven’t you played the old Halos? They were all competitive. What people like you don’t seem to be able to grasp is that for every easy game you have, someone else has a hard game. For every kill you get, someone else dies. Halo will always be competitive because people want to win.
>
>
> Yes, but they are catering to this stupid new Esports crap. Video games are NOT a major league sport and they never will be. Major League sports are things where people get outside and actually play the sport. Baseball, Football, Soccer, etc.

Yes, I’m sure that you know what’s going to happen for the rest of eternity. I think we’re done here.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > >
> > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > >
> > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> >
> >
> > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> >
> > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> >
> > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
>
>
> The REQ system is not great. Why the hell should i have to keep earning a bunch of crappy cosmetics just to get the one I want. Having to potentially play over 700 hours just to get the ONE cosmetic I want is not fun. It’s incredibly tedious, and even if I did spend money on REQ packs instead, I might have to pay over $1000 to get the cosmetic I want.
>
> I might enjoy playing Halo, but I don’t want to have to devote so much of my time to it just for cosmetics.
>
> Also I have already explained how Halo 5 is different to 2 and 3 in regards to the changes it made. But clearly you don’t seem to understand because you’re just spewing out the same ‘Halo needs to evolve if you don’t like it deal with it’ argument which I’ve heard about 1000 times on these forums by now. That’s not an argument, it’s just a way of trying to justify all the crappy changes made to Halo.

Lol! You’ve completely defeated your own argument and you don’t even realise it. Moaning about the REQ system because it makes you play a game that you hate, because you want cosmetic items to dress your character up in a game that you don’t want to play? Omg I couldn’t make it up!

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol! Honestly after that comment I couldn’t read any more of your nonsense. You’re stating your opinion as fact, which is a bit silly to say the least. And that statement is one of the most ignorant I’ve ever read. The game play of Halo 5 is not Halo? I think you’d best read the title of the game to yourself a couple of times and let what you’re saying sink in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest of what you’re saying is also complete nonsense, such as Halo 5 having a low population. It’s consistently been in the most played Xbox Live titles, so there’s definitely not a population problem. Quite the contrary.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Under battlefield 4.
> > > > > > > > > > > > bartlefield 4 has at most 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore halo 5 has less than 30,000 people playing it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you think a population is “just fine” with those numbers, then fine that’s your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So here are these facts that you’ve been posting about?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me a question?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you said in an earlier post that you haven’t posted opinions, only facts. You used your little 2+2=5 to try and make a point.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Where are your facts?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I’m sorry but I really cannot fathom how you’re not grasping that what I said were facts? What part are you having trouble with?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me say it again - Halo 5 is one of the most popular Xbox Live titles. In case you didn’t know, Halo 5 is an Xbox exclusive, so the best it can possibly do is to be the most popular on Xbox Live. So there’s room for improvement, but being in the top is still good. It has a higher population than the vast majority of Xbox titles. Do you understand so far?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The other fact was that Halo 5’s gameplay is indeed Halo, whether you like it or not. It’s self explanatory, I won’t get into a to and fro about that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cake always called cake. If a bakery makes really good cake for years and everyone buys it why would they change the ingredients? People are saying
> > > > > > > > h5 gameplay isn’t halo gameplay, because it isn’t the good cake it once was.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well I think it’s way better, but that’s irrelevant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may not like the new Ford range of cars, but they’re still Fords. You may not like the new Star Trek movies, but they’re still Star Trek. Liking stuff or not is irrelevant, Halo 5 is an official game and is Halo whether you like it or not, end of story.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it’s not the halo it once was
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed. It’s new Halo. Just like how Halo 2 wasn’t Halo 1. Or Halo 3 wasn’t Halo 2. Etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Halo 2 and 3 were able to add things, and change the gameplay enough to be fresh, but not enough to ruin the overall feel of the game. That’s where Halo 5 is different, because it tries to appeal to fans of other shooters instead of fans of Halo for some reason.
> > > >
> > > > Because of this it feels like you’re playing a weird mash up of a bunch of other shooters, and it just doesn’t play like a Halo game.
> > > >
> > > > Also some aspects of the game are just plain bad.
> > > > The campaign is bland compared to the original trilogy’s, and overall very disappointing for a Halo campaign. And the REQ system is just cancer. The ‘Tedious unless payed for with micro-transactions’ system has no place in a AAA game, and especially not in Halo.
> > >
> > >
> > > The REQ system is great. You don’t have to pay for anything, you can just have fun playing and earn points. If you find playing Halo tedious, then I’d suggest that you find another game.
> > >
> > > I love being able to choose what weapon I want, it can really turn the tide of a battle when you choose the right one at the time.
> > >
> > > All the arguments that you make about Halo 5 being too different I could make for the other ones. Games change and evolve, that’s just how it is.
> >
> >
> > The REQ system is not great. Why the hell should i have to keep earning a bunch of crappy cosmetics just to get the one I want. Having to potentially play over 700 hours just to get the ONE cosmetic I want is not fun. It’s incredibly tedious, and even if I did spend money on REQ packs instead, I might have to pay over $1000 to get the cosmetic I want.
> >
> > I might enjoy playing Halo, but I don’t want to have to devote so much of my time to it just for cosmetics.
> >
> > Also I have already explained how Halo 5 is different to 2 and 3 in regards to the changes it made. But clearly you don’t seem to understand because you’re just spewing out the same ‘Halo needs to evolve if you don’t like it deal with it’ argument which I’ve heard about 1000 times on these forums by now. That’s not an argument, it’s just a way of trying to justify all the crappy changes made to Halo.
>
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> Lol! You’ve completely defeated your own argument and you don’t even realise it. Moaning about the REQ system because it makes you play a game that you hate, because you want cosmetic items to dress your character up in a game that you don’t want to play? Omg I couldn’t make it up!

You didn’t even read my post properly. I never said i hated the game, in fact i specifically said ‘I might enjoy playing Halo’. My argument is that working for specific unlocks in previous games was a much better system then simply grinding and grinding until you happen to get what you want. And i do enjoy playing Halo 5, but not enough to play as much as I played the old games. And not enough to play for 700 -Yoinking!- hours.

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> > > > > I agree with every point you make. Especially about gameplay. Honestly esp about everything! Lol. I do agree all those are problems with halo. But I think it’s main and biggest problem and what causes all of what you stated is that 343/Microsoft is trying to attract the call of duty fanbase. Yes halo 5 plays differently but if you were to just look at it. To me it looks very similar. Ads. And yes its ads. When you ads you get increased stats. But yea you see ads sprint. And idk to me looking at it just looks like cod. But doesn’t play like it. Doesn’t play like a mc trilogy halo either. Some sort of weird hybrid that the general pop. Doesn’t seem to want. I use seem a lot because I’m assuming these things from me my friends and the hundreds of people I’ve seen and talked to. I feel like games like over watch and doom and all these new but old games will hopefully have given confidence to Microsoft to allow 343 to make a more classic style halo. And yes I do believe Microsoft is the main reason for halos direction. It’s already been proven on a lot of different things that Microsoft -Yoinked!- with 343 during development of mcc and halo 5. If you haven’t seen that proof then someone should link it. It’s by latenightgaming. He interviewed ex 343 employees. Idk. Lost my train of thought by now. I do agree with you on your points however. Hope for a better halo 6
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also believe Microsoft influenced the direction Halo started to take.
> > > > Like you said, I believe they saw how popular COD was, and when 343 took over they wanted to make a COD/Halo hybrid to bring in the COD crowd.
> > > >
> > > > And it’s blown up in their face, bc ever since they’ve made Halo like COD, the population has been complete and total crap.
> > >
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> > > Which is strange given the fact that Phil Spencer said he wanted the Gears franchise to return to the previous gameplay style after Judgement’s lukewarm reception.
> >
> >
> > Apparently according to what late night gaming said in his newest video. Halo 5 was a very unorganized mess with lots of design changes and changes from Microsoft. Just a huge mess. But what latenight said is that the few ex 343i employees he talked to said halo 6 is much more organized and they know what they’re doing and Microsoft know the mistake they made concerning dlc especially.
>
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> But has a credible source said any of those things?

Yes? Watch the video. Ex 343 employees. Ees as in plural. So he talked to people who worked on mcc and halo 5. So yes credible sources.

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> > > > > > I agree with every point you make. Especially about gameplay. Honestly esp about everything! Lol. I do agree all those are problems with halo. But I think it’s main and biggest problem and what causes all of what you stated is that 343/Microsoft is trying to attract the call of duty fanbase. Yes halo 5 plays differently but if you were to just look at it. To me it looks very similar. Ads. And yes its ads. When you ads you get increased stats. But yea you see ads sprint. And idk to me looking at it just looks like cod. But doesn’t play like it. Doesn’t play like a mc trilogy halo either. Some sort of weird hybrid that the general pop. Doesn’t seem to want. I use seem a lot because I’m assuming these things from me my friends and the hundreds of people I’ve seen and talked to. I feel like games like over watch and doom and all these new but old games will hopefully have given confidence to Microsoft to allow 343 to make a more classic style halo. And yes I do believe Microsoft is the main reason for halos direction. It’s already been proven on a lot of different things that Microsoft -Yoinked!- with 343 during development of mcc and halo 5. If you haven’t seen that proof then someone should link it. It’s by latenightgaming. He interviewed ex 343 employees. Idk. Lost my train of thought by now. I do agree with you on your points however. Hope for a better halo 6
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I also believe Microsoft influenced the direction Halo started to take.
> > > > > Like you said, I believe they saw how popular COD was, and when 343 took over they wanted to make a COD/Halo hybrid to bring in the COD crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > And it’s blown up in their face, bc ever since they’ve made Halo like COD, the population has been complete and total crap.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which is strange given the fact that Phil Spencer said he wanted the Gears franchise to return to the previous gameplay style after Judgement’s lukewarm reception.
> > >
> > >
> > > Apparently according to what late night gaming said in his newest video. Halo 5 was a very unorganized mess with lots of design changes and changes from Microsoft. Just a huge mess. But what latenight said is that the few ex 343i employees he talked to said halo 6 is much more organized and they know what they’re doing and Microsoft know the mistake they made concerning dlc especially.
> >
> >
> > But has a credible source said any of those things?
>
>
> Yes? Watch the video. Ex 343 employees. Ees as in plural. So he talked to people who worked on mcc and halo 5. So yes credible sources.

Did he mention the name of the employee or was it a video interview with the person? Something tells me neither of those is the case.

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> I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.

The evidence is there my friend. And it does take much to see it… If you have been truly following Halo along the way then it is very clear. Now do you know how I can get a hold of this unicorn? Because I do like French toast! lol.

Zippy.

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>
>
> The evidence is there my friend. And it does take much to see it… If you have been truly following Halo along the way then it is very clear. Now do you know how I can get a hold of this unicorn? Because I do like French toast! lol.
>
> Zippy.

There is no evidence presented of a mass exodus from Halo 5, even if there was there is no possible reason to determine why that exodus was occurring. The time to belief something is when there is evidence to support it, not before hand.

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> >
> >
> > The evidence is there my friend. And it does take much to see it… If you have been truly following Halo along the way then it is very clear. Now do you know how I can get a hold of this unicorn? Because I do like French toast! lol.
> >
> > Zippy.
>
>
> There is no evidence of a mass exodus from Halo 5, even if there was there is no possible reason to determine why that exodus was occurring. The time to belief something is when there is evidence to support it, not before hand.

I wouldnt go so far as to say its a mass exodus. But there are clear signs. The signs were here very early on when the game was first out… The start is when there is no population counter. Second sign is when region lock was taken off. Third sign is when the preference options were put out. Fourth sign is why they don’t give the option of server selection. Which btw any game that runs on dedicated servers has this. These are some very clear signs and is valuable evidence. You have to look at it as a whole and prior track records. If you also take into account that 343i never comments on any of those subjects ive mentioned its even more clear. Remember your not going to get 343i to come on here and say anything about the population ever!

Zippy.

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>
>
> I wouldnt go so far as to say its a mass exodus. But there are clear signs. The signs were here very early on when the game was first out… The start is when there is no population counter. Second sign is when region lock was taken off. Third sign is when the preference options were put out. Fourth sign is why they don’t give the option of server selection. Which btw any game that runs on dedicated servers has this. These are some very clear signs and is valuable evidence. You have to look at it as a whole and prior track records. If you also take into account that 343i never comments on any of those subjects ive mentioned its even more clear. Remember your not going to get 343i to come on here and say anything about the population ever!
>
> Zippy.

There not being a population counter means that you cannot draw conclusions about the population, not that you can conclude the population is low. I cannot walk into a room and assume from the lack of thermometers that the temperature is 62 degrees Fahrenheit. Region lock being taken off again does not allow you to conclude anything about population, particularly as there were many requests to have it removed. The search preferences were again requested and something that should have been present at launch and still needs work and again provides no data about population. Server selection would again have nothing to do with population you are drawing inappropriate conclusions from disparate information. 343 have claimed that the population was higher than any halo since h3 for a period of time and I was equally dubious of those claims as the OPS. Until actual data is presented you cannot draw a logical conclusion. Even when and if we get actual population numbers we have no way to determine why the population is a certain way to make any other claim is ludicrous.

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> > >
> > >
> > > The evidence is there my friend. And it does take much to see it… If you have been truly following Halo along the way then it is very clear. Now do you know how I can get a hold of this unicorn? Because I do like French toast! lol.
> > >
> > > Zippy.
> >
> >
> > There is no evidence of a mass exodus from Halo 5, even if there was there is no possible reason to determine why that exodus was occurring. The time to belief something is when there is evidence to support it, not before hand.
>
>
> I wouldnt go so far as to say its a mass exodus. But there are clear signs. The signs were here very early on when the game was first out… The start is when there is no population counter. Second sign is when region lock was taken off. Third sign is when the preference options were put out. Fourth sign is why they don’t give the option of server selection. Which btw any game that runs on dedicated servers has this. These are some very clear signs and is valuable evidence. You have to look at it as a whole and prior track records. If you also take into account that 343i never comments on any of those subjects ive mentioned its even more clear. Remember your not going to get 343i to come on here and say anything about the population ever!
>
> Zippy.

Pop counter means absolutely nothing. Overwatch, doom, Bo3, these are games that don’t have pop counters. Games have gotten away from this kind of stuff as they’re not really necessities in a game to begin with, it’s just a way to give free information on what playlist has the largest numbers which people have argued cause issues before. FFA has 19 people, “-Yoink- it, I’m playing slayer instead” where as if there is no pop counter you’ll just play FFA without giving a thought to playing another playlist untill you’ve had your share of FFA. I’ll give you the second sign, as for the third, just no :confused: past games have had preference searches dude, it’s a matter of picking if you want laggy opponents with wuicker search times or slower search times for better connection wise opponents. As for the 4th sign, care to elaborate? Have 343 said why they don’t include it or are you simply using it as support to your arguement just cuz it’s not there? I can name many dedicated servers as well that actually do lack this feature as well :slight_smile:

anyways, yes we know the pop is taking a dive, I fully agree, but I disagree on how half you people come to the conclusion of it.

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> >
> >
> > I wouldnt go so far as to say its a mass exodus. But there are clear signs. The signs were here very early on when the game was first out… The start is when there is no population counter. Second sign is when region lock was taken off. Third sign is when the preference options were put out. Fourth sign is why they don’t give the option of server selection. Which btw any game that runs on dedicated servers has this. These are some very clear signs and is valuable evidence. You have to look at it as a whole and prior track records. If you also take into account that 343i never comments on any of those subjects ive mentioned its even more clear. Remember your not going to get 343i to come on here and say anything about the population ever!
> >
> > Zippy.
>
>
> There not being a population counter means that you cannot draw conclusions about the population, not that you can conclude the population is low. I cannot walk into a room and assume from the lack of thermometers that the temperature is 62 degrees Fahrenheit. Region lock being taken off again does not allow you to conclude anything about population, particularly as there were many requests to have it removed. The search preferences were again requested and something that should have been present at launch and still needs work and again provides no data about population. Server selection would again have nothing to do with population you are drawing inappropriate conclusions from disparate information. 343 have claimed that the population was higher than any halo since h3 for a period of time and I was equally dubious of those claims as the OPS. Until actual data is presented you cannot draw a logical conclusion. Even when and if we get actual population numbers we have no way to determine why the population is a certain way to make any other claim is ludicrous.

While I do understand what you are saying… What I am trying to point out to you is the fact that is why the region lock was removed. Was solely because of low population and people not being able to find games. So yes it was asked for but 343i had to do something or there would have been a even bigger back lash if they did nothing… Again just so you know the sole purpose of having dedicated servers is being able to access them and select a server one wants to play on. The search preferences were more of a diversion for the option of selectable servers. Because once you give the option of selectable servers it will clearly become evident of population based on the server your playing on. You have to take this in as a whole and understand the reasoning behind the way 343i does what it does. That there is the evidence. Again you will never see 343i comment on things like this. While at one time when 343i said the population was the highest since Halo3 well it maybe true but you have to also remember 343i has done everything to try and boost the sales and population with dropping the price of the game and having free week to play the game for free to lure in more players.

Zippy.

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>
>
> While I do understand what you are saying… What I am trying to point out to you is the fact that is why the region lock was removed. Was solely because of low population and people not being able to find games. So yes it was asked for but 343i had to do something or there would have been a even bigger back lash if they did nothing… Again just so you know the sole purpose of having dedicated servers is being able to access them and select a server one wants to play on. The search preferences were more of a diversion for the option of selectable servers. Because once you give the option of selectable servers it will clearly become evident of population based on the server your playing on. You have to take this in as a whole and understand the reasoning behind the way 343i does what it does. That there is the evidence. Again you will never see 343i comment on things like this. While at one time when 343i said the population was the highest since Halo3 well it maybe true but you have to also remember 343i has done everything to try and boost the sales and population with dropping the price of the game and having free week to play the game for free to lure in more players.
>
> Zippy.

Source please. Dedicated servers remove the host advantage non-sense, the host switching, and all-in-all around more fair matchmaking. 343 rarely complements on anything that isn’t evidence to support these random conspiracy theories.

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> > > > > > > I agree with every point you make. Especially about gameplay. Honestly esp about everything! Lol. I do agree all those are problems with halo. But I think it’s main and biggest problem and what causes all of what you stated is that 343/Microsoft is trying to attract the call of duty fanbase. Yes halo 5 plays differently but if you were to just look at it. To me it looks very similar. Ads. And yes its ads. When you ads you get increased stats. But yea you see ads sprint. And idk to me looking at it just looks like cod. But doesn’t play like it. Doesn’t play like a mc trilogy halo either. Some sort of weird hybrid that the general pop. Doesn’t seem to want. I use seem a lot because I’m assuming these things from me my friends and the hundreds of people I’ve seen and talked to. I feel like games like over watch and doom and all these new but old games will hopefully have given confidence to Microsoft to allow 343 to make a more classic style halo. And yes I do believe Microsoft is the main reason for halos direction. It’s already been proven on a lot of different things that Microsoft -Yoinked!- with 343 during development of mcc and halo 5. If you haven’t seen that proof then someone should link it. It’s by latenightgaming. He interviewed ex 343 employees. Idk. Lost my train of thought by now. I do agree with you on your points however. Hope for a better halo 6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also believe Microsoft influenced the direction Halo started to take.
> > > > > > Like you said, I believe they saw how popular COD was, and when 343 took over they wanted to make a COD/Halo hybrid to bring in the COD crowd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And it’s blown up in their face, bc ever since they’ve made Halo like COD, the population has been complete and total crap.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is strange given the fact that Phil Spencer said he wanted the Gears franchise to return to the previous gameplay style after Judgement’s lukewarm reception.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > But has a credible source said any of those things?
> >
> >
> > Yes? Watch the video. Ex 343 employees. Ees as in plural. So he talked to people who worked on mcc and halo 5. So yes credible sources.
>
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> Did he mention the name of the employee or was it a video interview with the person? Something tells me neither of those is the case.

No. These people didn’t want to be named or seen. And btw did you not ever hear about this? It caused a huge stir in the Halo YouTube community. Should go check his channel out and watch that video and then the apology video afterwards. A LOT of halo you tubers made videos supporting him and idk. Definitely go check it out.

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> > > > > > > > I agree with every point you make. Especially about gameplay. Honestly esp about everything! Lol. I do agree all those are problems with halo. But I think it’s main and biggest problem and what causes all of what you stated is that 343/Microsoft is trying to attract the call of duty fanbase. Yes halo 5 plays differently but if you were to just look at it. To me it looks very similar. Ads. And yes its ads. When you ads you get increased stats. But yea you see ads sprint. And idk to me looking at it just looks like cod. But doesn’t play like it. Doesn’t play like a mc trilogy halo either. Some sort of weird hybrid that the general pop. Doesn’t seem to want. I use seem a lot because I’m assuming these things from me my friends and the hundreds of people I’ve seen and talked to. I feel like games like over watch and doom and all these new but old games will hopefully have given confidence to Microsoft to allow 343 to make a more classic style halo. And yes I do believe Microsoft is the main reason for halos direction. It’s already been proven on a lot of different things that Microsoft -Yoinked!- with 343 during development of mcc and halo 5. If you haven’t seen that proof then someone should link it. It’s by latenightgaming. He interviewed ex 343 employees. Idk. Lost my train of thought by now. I do agree with you on your points however. Hope for a better halo 6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also believe Microsoft influenced the direction Halo started to take.
> > > > > > > Like you said, I believe they saw how popular COD was, and when 343 took over they wanted to make a COD/Halo hybrid to bring in the COD crowd.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it’s blown up in their face, bc ever since they’ve made Halo like COD, the population has been complete and total crap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which is strange given the fact that Phil Spencer said he wanted the Gears franchise to return to the previous gameplay style after Judgement’s lukewarm reception.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently according to what late night gaming said in his newest video. Halo 5 was a very unorganized mess with lots of design changes and changes from Microsoft. Just a huge mess. But what latenight said is that the few ex 343i employees he talked to said halo 6 is much more organized and they know what they’re doing and Microsoft know the mistake they made concerning dlc especially.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But has a credible source said any of those things?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes? Watch the video. Ex 343 employees. Ees as in plural. So he talked to people who worked on mcc and halo 5. So yes credible sources.
> >
> >
> > Did he mention the name of the employee or was it a video interview with the person? Something tells me neither of those is the case.
>
>
> No. These people didn’t want to be named or seen. And btw did you not ever hear about this? It caused a huge stir in the Halo YouTube community. Should go check his channel out and watch that video and then the apology video afterwards. A LOT of halo you tubers made videos supporting him and idk. Definitely go check it out.

I know about LNG and I also know there’s no reason to believe his claims. Why would former employees tell a nobody youtuber these things instead of a credible source like Kotaku? Some random kid on YouTube with relatively few subs that these former employees don’t even know says, “I won’t reveal your names, just trust me and give me info!” and they just believe him? LNG is basically asking you to trust that these former employees are incredibly stupid.

The kid has all the qualities of a con-man and his followers seem to share many of the traits of the victims of con-men. Either he’s being lied to or he’s lying to you. There’s no scenario where his claims of sources at 343 - whether it be former employees or current - are believable. LNG is questionable at best (because he’s already had claims that were proven fake) and a complete liar at worst. He’s yet to prove his credibility, so why anyone acts like he has any is beyond me.