Why some people are leaving/left halo 5

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Instead of fan boys moaning at me and calling me a hater, and instead of nostalgia loyalists fighting them in the comments i want people to read this thread and understand WHY some people don’t like halo 5.

Story
-This one is almost universally known but it should still be mentioned.

-Halo 5’s story was terrible. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. It not only destroyed plot point set up in halo 4 (the librarian, the Janus key, Palmer and Halsey, the didact and his story, making cortanas death meaningless).

-Locke and Osiris (besides Buck) were completely boring with little to no character development between them.

-Blue team was completely wasted potential.

-Cortana is now evil and is also not dead, wut?

-Arbiter was wasted potential, he wasn’t even remotely relevant to the story, you could swap the planet sanghelious with any other planet and the arbiter would still have no impact on the story, he just is here to appease fans. Not to mention he didn’t even say one word to chief or barley look at him, just a little “were it so easy” would have been enough, but no.

-A cliff hanger that did earn it. “but halo 2 had a cliff hanger”. The difference is halo 2 earned it, the story in halo 2 was well written, doesn’t crap on the stroy set up in halo 1, and unlike halo 5 gives characters a reason for their existence in the story as well as making characters we like and care about. Halo 5 never earned it’s cliff hanger were as halo 2 did.

-You can’t pick up skulls, why?

The gameplay
Before i get started on this, this is not about weather or not spartan abilities are good for halo, but why people have left halo because of them.

Like it or not the game play is not halo, it may be fun but it is not halo, well not the halo fans expect in the master chief saga. “But halo needs to evolve” okay, but do it in a spin off game, people have no problem with gameplay changing this fundamentally when it is in a spin off game because we don’t expect the consistency we expect in the chief saga. Could you imagine if Halo wars was the sequel to halo 3, or if spartan assault was the sequel to halo 4? People would be outraged and rightly so.
Although that is an extreme example it is the same principle.

Many fans are upset and have left halo because they expect the chief saga to have a consistent level of gameplay which is no spartan abilities, just weapons, grenades, melee. You may not like it but that is what defined the chief saga fundamentally. It is also why fans were annoyed when small additions like dual wielding, and equipment were introduced into halo 2 and 3, they didn’t change the formula to the extent sprint and spartan abilities do but it was enough to annoy the fans. If you want sprint in halo fine, but don’t do it in the chief saga, do it in a spin off like ODST 2. Adding spartan abilities means every single thing in halo needs to be changed to accommodate it, map design, bullet magnetism, aim assist, weapon and vehicle damage, vehicle physics and centre of balance. You may not like that but that is why people are leaving in terms of gameplay.

Customisation
Everyone can agree the customisation in halo 5 is appalling, we get 3 options for armour, 3! “But we have more armour to choose from” yes but it should be quality over quantity, most armour is just a reskined variant of the same thing. Halo reach should be the minimum of armour customisation in halo. Legs, arms, helmets, chest, visor, wrist. Also what the hell happened to tertiary colours? We only get 2 now, why? Also why the hell do our emblems not show up on our armour, at least give us the option to toggle it on or off. Also what happened to our emblem customisation? We can’t even changed the background of our emblems now. Also why do our Spartans periodically freeze when rotating in the customisation screen?

Worst of all, there is a mega thread with tens of thousands of comments and there are even more posts around the internet demanding playable elites. With this much attention from the fan on playable elites how can 343 ignore this? “But it will mess up balance” Sigh, have you ever played halo reach? Elites should not be in competitive multiplayer, they should only be in social playlists, custom games, and forge (maybe even campaign depending on the story). You would think with such massive demand 343 would want to provide the content.

Split Screen
Does this even need defending?

UI

If you have ever defended the UI in halo 5 you should be ashamed of yourself. In reach in seconds you could see, what team a person was on, what their rank was, what their name was, what their emblem was, what they looked like, what their armour completion was, how many challenges they completed, what their clan was, what their commendations were.

In halo 5 you cans see a persons emblem. Step it up 343. -Yoink!-.

The change in art style
Like it or not, the change in art style was completely unnecessary and over all damaging to the halo franchise. It split the fan base and for what reason “to redesign halo”. No, if you want to redesign halo do it in a spin off game, again, players expect consistency in a squeal. “the technology is more advanced” technology can look more advanced without completely changing the art style. Look at halo wars 1, it is 20 years before halo 1 and yet it respects the art style despite being less advanced. Hell, go on any halo wars 2 video and all you will see is praise for the old art style. If 343 returns to the old art style the wounds they will heal will be very beneficial.

My god, could you imagine in halo 6 a pelican looking like one from halo 3 opening its door, only to show chief in the armour he wore in halo 2 anniversary, fans would go insane from joy!
You might be confused why his armour changed back, but hay, now you know how long time fans felt when his armour, along with the ENTIRE forward unto dawn completely changed in halo 4 from halo 3.

DELAYED CONTENT
I’m sure everyone has heard the common “it’s coming later for free in an update” response. This is so ridicules i can’t comprehend it.
Delaying content we expect at launch to come later does not bring back players who left because of the lack of content at launch. A good way to explain this is by using the MCC. The MCC launch was so terrible the population died very quickly, they fixed it later but the population was already dead. Although halo 5 is a content issue and not a broken game issue the same logic applies. First impressions count, if players don’t have the content like forge, btb, firefight, infection, griffball, race, regicide, king of the hill, and many many more at launch they won’t come back, period.

If you must have content updates it should be for things we don’t expect in halo games. Things like a needle warthog, or a new type of weapon.Not for critical game modes.

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REQS
My god, reqs weather you like them or not have again split the community. Microtransactions should NEVER be in a triple A game, period. Breaking that rule alone is enough to drive away halo fans. REQS are pay to win, period. If you don’t have the reqs, you don’t have the tools to win. It’s that simple. And it may be easy to get req points, people still don’t like a pay to win system. What is worse is that the REQ system is also pay to play. Meaning you can only get items through the req system, rather than completing the game on legendary and getting rewards, or performing a cool trick and getting something like recon. If REQs do stay in halo armour and emblems MUST be removed from the system. Armour should be earned through achievement, not bought with req points or money.

Any more points put them down bellow

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I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.

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> I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.

people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.

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> > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.

Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.

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> > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.

You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.

Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this

avarage.http://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/population

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> I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.

I’ve played and loved Halo since CE, and know hundreds of people in my small city alone who did as well

Halo 5 was the breaking point for me, I no longer play my favourite game series of all time, and neither do any of my friends and a LOT of it has to do with the reasons stated above, a few left during reach, a big chunk gave up after 4, and anyone who bought 5 hoping that it would be a return to form that i’ve talked to say the exact same things that are in the OP, so if you want numbers I used to know hundreds of people who played and enjoyed EVERY halo game, I now know 1, my buddy Keith throws it in from time to time

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Your points may not be the reason why people are leaving, but those are the problems Halo has currently. I agree strongly on the gameplay point where you stated people expect consistency from numbering titles. People need to stop bashing Bungie is one who started changes. Reach was a spin-off game. If Bungie were to make Halo 4, I don’t think they have done it like Reach.

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> > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> I’ve played and loved Halo since CE, and know hundreds of people in my small city alone who did as well
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> Halo 5 was the breaking point for me, I no longer play my favourite game series of all time, and neither do any of my friends and a LOT of it has to do with the reasons stated above, a few left during reach, a big chunk gave up after 4, and anyone who bought 5 hoping that it would be a return to form that i’ve talked to say the exact same things that are in the OP, so if you want numbers I used to know hundreds of people who played and enjoyed EVERY halo game, I now know 1, my buddy Keith throws it in from time to time

Yeah, I’ve been playing since CE myself. The most common reason people have quit in my anecdotal experience is that they either can’t afford to keep up with the hobby or simply don’t have time due to work/family etc. Your ‘experience’ means nothing and doesn’t change anything. The Op is still claiming the unicorn made the French toast.

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> > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > I’ve played and loved Halo since CE, and know hundreds of people in my small city alone who did as well
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> > Halo 5 was the breaking point for me, I no longer play my favourite game series of all time, and neither do any of my friends and a LOT of it has to do with the reasons stated above, a few left during reach, a big chunk gave up after 4, and anyone who bought 5 hoping that it would be a return to form that i’ve talked to say the exact same things that are in the OP, so if you want numbers I used to know hundreds of people who played and enjoyed EVERY halo game, I now know 1, my buddy Keith throws it in from time to time
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> Yeah, I’ve been playing since CE myself. The most common reason people have quit in my anecdotal experience is that they either can’t afford to keep up with the hobby or simply don’t have time due to work/family etc. Your ‘experience’ means nothing and doesn’t change anything. The Op is still claiming the unicorn made the French toast.

so my many conversations with people I know and used to play Halo with (that still play games mind you) where they explicitly said they stopped playing Halo because they don’t like the new games for various reasons has no relevance when we are talking about the drop in the games population and overall popularity over the years?

ok

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> > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> Xbox Games Catalog: All Games | Xbox
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> You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> avarage.http://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/population

I’m sorry but you simply cannot use that as a means of determining active population. When I checked yesterday Mafia III was in the top 10 and that’s not even out yet. Plus CoD: Ghosts was in the top 10… Next you’ll be quoting IGN or VGChartz…

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> > > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> > You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> > Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> > avarage.http://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/population
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> I’m sorry but you simply cannot use that as a means of determining active population. When I checked yesterday Mafia III was in the top 10 and that’s not even out yet. Plus CoD: Ghosts was in the top 10… Next you’ll be quoting IGN or VGChartz…

The most popular was valid until a glitch that occurred in Friday, it was used to determine population sizes with accuracy on waypoint up until that point. However even before the glitch is still showed halo 5 lower than battilefield, and type in any halo 5 population counter and it uses battlefield for reference because it is a more popular and more played game than halo 5

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> > > > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > > > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> > > You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> > > Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> > > avarage.http://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/population
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> > I’m sorry but you simply cannot use that as a means of determining active population. When I checked yesterday Mafia III was in the top 10 and that’s not even out yet. Plus CoD: Ghosts was in the top 10… Next you’ll be quoting IGN or VGChartz…
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> The most popular was valid until a glitch that occurred in Friday, it was used to determine population sizes with accuracy on waypoint up until that point. However even before the glitch is still showed halo 5 lower than battilefield, and type in any halo 5 population counter and it uses battlefield for reference because it is a more popular and more played game than halo 5

For the record, Halo 5 was ahead of BF by a few spots for a month or two up until a few days ago.

On topic though, OP you say whatever you want about why people left, but the naysayers here will blame it on every excuse under the sun before they acknowledge that people just don’t like it anymore. It’s a wasted effort on your part.

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> > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > I’ve played and loved Halo since CE, and know hundreds of people in my small city alone who did as well
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> > > Halo 5 was the breaking point for me, I no longer play my favourite game series of all time, and neither do any of my friends and a LOT of it has to do with the reasons stated above, a few left during reach, a big chunk gave up after 4, and anyone who bought 5 hoping that it would be a return to form that i’ve talked to say the exact same things that are in the OP, so if you want numbers I used to know hundreds of people who played and enjoyed EVERY halo game, I now know 1, my buddy Keith throws it in from time to time
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> > Yeah, I’ve been playing since CE myself. The most common reason people have quit in my anecdotal experience is that they either can’t afford to keep up with the hobby or simply don’t have time due to work/family etc. Your ‘experience’ means nothing and doesn’t change anything. The Op is still claiming the unicorn made the French toast.
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> so my many conversations with people I know and used to play Halo with (that still play games mind you) where they explicitly said they stopped playing Halo because they don’t like the new games for various reasons has no relevance when we are talking about the drop in the games population and overall popularity over the years?
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Yeah, pretty much means nothing. There are legitimate uses of anecdotal evidence, but that this isn’t one.

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> > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> Xbox Games Catalog: All Games | Xbox
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> You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> avarage.http://battlefieldtracker.com/bf4/population

He didn’t ask for “show proof that the population is low”, he asked for proof that the population is dropping faster than normal fall off and it’s because of those reasons.

An example is the Halo 4 chart that showed literally 50% of the population falling off under 2 weeks of release, with the biggest event being Black Ops II’s release in that time.

Literally every game experiences lower players.

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> > > > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > > > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> > > You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> > > Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> > I’m sorry but you simply cannot use that as a means of determining active population. When I checked yesterday Mafia III was in the top 10 and that’s not even out yet. Plus CoD: Ghosts was in the top 10… Next you’ll be quoting IGN or VGChartz…
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> The most popular was valid until a glitch that occurred in Friday, it was used to determine population sizes with accuracy on waypoint up until that point. However even before the glitch is still showed halo 5 lower than battilefield, and type in any halo 5 population counter and it uses battlefield for reference because it is a more popular and more played game than halo 5

This is the first time I’ve ever seen BF in front of Halo on that list, Halo is almost always in the top 10 and I check regularly because I use that list to decide on new games to buy. It’s worthless as a population counter and always has been. The only information available to us as a community is that over the last few months the population has increased. That’s it. It could be a lie, who knows, but going off an ever changing list that frequently shows games that have no one playing them and games that aren’t out yet isn’t the way to go about it.

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> > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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To be fair pop counter means nothing. Doom, overwatch, and I believe even Bo3 (which is the #1 game in pop) don’t show counters. It doesn’t give the impression of a failing pop in any case. Just an FYI: reach still has a pop counter, I played it just a few days ago and it was at 10k

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I think that the most played list on the xbox store seems more accurate, as the only thing we have to go by is the wording.

Either way, Halo 5 never breaks top ten, lol.

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> > > > > I’ll just leave this here. While I agree with a few of your points, you assume that because you don’t like something that is why people are leaving Halo (And that they are leaving) without A: Providing evidence it’s happening. B: Providing evidence to support that claim. C: Assuming that people are leaving H5 you fail to investigate any additional reasons this may be the case. Again this is like coming downstairs and finding a plate of French Toast on your dining room table and assuming that a Giant Rainbow-Mane Unicorn that sneezes glitter broke into your house and made them for you.
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> > > > 1. people are leaving halo 5. It has dropped off the top 10 most played games list and has for a while now (giving it less then 30, 20 thousand players daily which is terrible for a major halo title). The hidden population counter on halo 5 should also be an indication of failing population. The newly hidden population counter on reach to prevent comparison should be further indication. But again, the evidence is all there on the xbox most played games list. Halo 5 has dropped, and continues to drop.
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> > > Show definitive numbers. Show that this is not normal game drop off this will involve a P value and you should compare it to all on-line games not just previous halos. If you then find something significant with the alleged drop in population you can then provide some evidence that your assumption is correct and not just a wild guess based on the fact that you don’t like certain things. If you make a claim support it.
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> > Xbox Games Catalog: All Games | Xbox
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> > You can’t get exact numbers i’m afraid because 343 has hidden the exact population counter (first indication of a failing population) you can however estimate from the population counters of other games which are higher than halo 5 on the most played xbox games.
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> > Battleifeild 4 for example has a monthly average population on xbox one of 25/ 30 thousand players. Halo 5 is lower than this and has continued to drop for the past few weeks, meaning it’s population is less than or even to this
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> To be fair pop counter means nothing. Doom, overwatch, and I believe even Bo3 (which is the #1 game in pop) don’t show counters. It doesn’t give the impression of a failing pop in any case. Just an FYI: reach still has a pop counter, I played it just a few days ago and it was at 10k

Doom does on steam, and it’s possible to glitch BO3 on console to show the numbers.

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Not going to lie, the way 343 did halo 5’s story and how the treated Blue team was very very hard… But I’m going to stick with halo and deal with the good and the bad.