There are three main types of feedback on Waypoint that people often get mixed up. Criticism, Complaints, and Whining. The confusion of these types of feedback causes threads like this one to exist. Allow me to shed some light on the situation.
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Criticism: There are two types of criticism. Constructive, and Deconstructive. Constructive involves a suggestion to improve, add, or remove something with a logical argument backing it up. Deconstructive involves rude comments, a lack of logic, and derogatory insults. Most people have a sixth sense for Deconstructtive criticism. - Complaints: Serious Complaints are posts about how a new or different feature, that can affect the (insert thing) in serious ways, is disliked by the poster or a group of people. Opinion complaints are about things that are not so important, but not silly. Like armor Customization. - Whining: Is a version of a Complaint, but is about something that is integral to the game. Example: “I don’t like the energy shields.” Whining can also be a Complaint about how an argument didn’t go your way, or an issue that has already been settled.The Issue. (Go ahead and skip to here if you want. This is the important bit)
The people of Waypoint love Halo, so of course they dislike it when people say something is wrong with it. Unfortunately, instead of actually READING what those people have to say, and writing a logical counter argument, They assume the critics are WHINING. Yes, people whine about ridiculous things sometimes, but that is no reason to assume that every complaint or critical thread is whining!
Now for the bombshell. Threads Complaining about poorly designed maps, lack of content, and 343I’s business practices ARE NOT WHINING. These are SERIOUS Complaints as they can have a serious effect on the game’s longevity. Most of these threads also contain CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM as people suggest ways for 343I to fix these issues.
Keep in mind that the people making these threads love Halo just as much as you do. They are trying to help. So please actually READ threads before assuming that they are troll threads or just whining. Thank you for reading this all the way through. If you didn’t, you’re part of the problem.
Final note: It is within our rights to Complain about things we don’t like. It is within your rights to IGNORE IT.
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> JK I read it lol. Hope you laughed. I agree with what you’re saying. There feels like a picket line of 343 fans that won’t allow any changes or suggestions in the form of constructive feedback.
Exactly, though I suspect they’re only rallying around 343 because they’re the source of the changes that are being criticised.
I feel like people will flame change and then others will flame the lack of change. You can’t please anyone anymore. Criticism with a suggestion is categorized as whining anymore.
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> I feel like people will flame change and then others will flame the lack of change. You can’t please anyone anymore. Criticism with a suggestion is categorized as whining anymore.
The key is to ignore the people who don’t have logical reasons to argue. Anyone who uses logic to try and promote their ideas can be debated with. It’s the ignorant and the trolls who cause problems.
The first part is 100% true, however you cannot deny that a lot of people are indeed whining. You are being a bit hypocritical because you say that
> Now for the bombshell. Threads Complaining about poorly designed maps, lack of content, and 343I’s business practices ARE NOT WHINING. These are SERIOUS Complaints as they can have a serious effect on the game’s longevity. Most of these threads also contain CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM as people suggest ways for 343I to fix these issues.
without actually showing proof or any constructive criticism at all. Yes some people are constructive however most people just compare about the issue and forget that 343 can fix it. BTW the maps arent poorly designed, yes some of them are better than others, but for the most part I haven’t found many major issues with them. Not saying that they are perfect, spawning is the only real issue on a lot of them, and that is only if the enemy team really knows how to control the spawns witch is a skill in itself.
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> The first part is 100% true, however you cannot deny that a lot of people are indeed whining. You are being a bit hypocritical because you say that
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Look, it’s debatable whether or not some or all of the maps are poorly designed. That is my point. You can have a debate about map design and whether or not it’s been done poorly, just don’t scream at people for having a different opinion.
Also, complaining about an issue that can be fixed… That’s exactly why one would complain. Whining would be complaining about an issue that cannot be fixed or an issue that is being fixed.
As for examples, you should be able to find those yourself. Seriously, go to the support sub forums or the Halo 5 Guardians sub forum. Heck, you’ll even see this in the poll discussions. You may need to look at the Sprint thread, or the Playable Elites threads for more clear displays. Any thread that discusses mechanics should have clearly visible constructive criticism.
Very good points, OP. It can be difficult to sift through the different kinds of feedback we find on the forums, but everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Sadly, the community is incredibly divided when it comes to certain things, with no way to reconcile. I do dislike how, anyone who has a different opinion than someone else is labeled a “troll” or completely disregarded. We don’t have to always agree on things, of course.
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> Very good points, OP. It can be difficult to sift through the different kinds of feedback we find on the forums, but everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Sadly, the community is incredibly divided when it comes to certain things, with no way to reconcile. I do dislike how, anyone who has a different opinion than someone else is labeled a “troll” or completely disregarded. We don’t have to always agree on things, of course.
The heart of the issue is that many people absolutely refuse to change their stance on an issue, even in the face of irrefutable evidence. I am often forced to deal with these kinds of people IRL. It’s maddening.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this OP. I’ve been telling people this since halo 5 launched, you put it perfectly. Hopefully people will actually listen to what you have to say.
If they have logical reasoning around things. I am respecting them a lot and have a reason to try and fix it. But if they are posting and do not have any way to potentially fix the issue they are addressing, then it falls into the second a third category more then likely.
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> Thank you so much for taking the time to write this OP. I’ve been telling people this since halo 5 launched, you put it perfectly. Hopefully people will actually listen to what you have to say.
Thank you, I’m trying to help clear up the “toxicity” that is ruining Waypoint for most of the people I play with.
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> If they have logical reasoning around things. I am respecting them a lot and have a reason to try and fix it. But if they are posting and do not have any way to potentially fix the issue they are addressing, then it falls into the second a third category more then likely.
Ignore the posts that fall into the third category. They just aren’t worth your time.
Of course complaints about lack of content are legitimate. Only an idiot would think that it equates to whining.
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> Of course complaints about lack of content are legitimate. Only an idiot would think that it equates to whining.
You’d be surprised.
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Well, he’s not really talking about lack of content, just praising 343 for free content every month, though I see what you mean. And about that, while free updates every month is good in theory, on 343’s part it’s complete bogus, since most of what we get are things that should have been there at launch. Don’t get me started on the two billion useless emblems they add every month. Seriously, I hate those things now!
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It’s that moment when you open a gold pack, and get two emblems. We’ve all been there.
No OP, you are a whiner who hates change and should just leave 343i alone. I loved it when I opened a $100 worth of gold packs. You should just go back to MCC because everyone who criticizes anything is clearly a hater who should go make a game they want to play.
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I’m being sarcastic, but really, I was waiting for some one to post this.
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> No OP, you are a whiner who hates change and should just leave 343i alone. I loved it when I opened a $100 worth of gold packs. You should just go back to MCC because everyone who criticizes anything is clearly a hater who should go make a game they want to play.
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You’re late to the party. Check the first response. 
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Yeah CorporalWings0! Get off my turf!
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Oh, um… This is awkward…