With all of the different load out weapons, there is always going to be a superior class. If the DMR is nerfed, everyone will simply move to a different gun. If the boltshot is nerfed, everyone will simply move to another gun. My point is that there is no solving this problem, and never in the history of Halo have all weapons been balanced. The game used to cover this by making everyone spawn with the same weapon, but you now have the option to spawn with less than optimal load outs. This affect can be witnessed in Call of Duty, where the ACR is clearly the best gun, but people still use the M60 for reasons unbeknownst to me.
The solution is simple, do not nerf/buff anything. There is a lot of crying going on on these forums anyways.
And before you call me a Reach/3 nerd, I started in CE, played 2, played 3, did not play Reach as I hated it, and now I play 4. I’ll also add my best experience was in Halo2.
Its a never-ending cycle in online gaming. No matter what game you are playing, people are going to whine that certain things are over powered and things are not fair.
Its mostly just todays generation of online gamers. Life’s not fair, and neither is online gaming. People just need to realize that, however it wont happen.
“Weapons are imbalanced, don’t nerf anything because they will always be imbalanced”.
Remove the DMR from the game, buff the Carbine, and you are left with a Long Range weapon, a pure Medium Range weapon, and a pure Close Range weapon.
It IS possible to balance games, casual games just leave them imbalanced on purpose to attract more players.
> Its mostly just todays generation of online gamers. Life’s not fair, and neither is online gaming. People just need to realize that, however it wont happen.
Yet another typical defender argument that is just “deal with it, problem can’t be fixed”.
So irrational.
You realize there are balanced games out there right? It IS attainable.
Please list balanced games.
^ Somebody please do that, and maybe you’ll have a case.
> Its a never-ending cycle in online gaming. No matter what game you are playing, people are going to whine that certain things are over powered and things are not fair.
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> Its mostly just todays generation of online gamers. Life’s not fair, and neither is online gaming. People just need to realize that, however it wont happen.
Too many people think this game was made just for them. Well, it is. But it’s just not going to suit every little detail they wanted for the game. I make suggestion threads every so often, but that’s what they are-- suggestions. This DMR/BS thing is ridiculous.
But it’s to be expected, especially with the influx of gamers who either have no skill or are too apt to jump to conclusions. There will always be at least one big complaint for every video game, and most of the time, it’s not even that much of a problem.
Besides the fact that tweaking things like this ALWAYS turns out for the worst.
ALWAYS.
> Please list balanced games.
Counter Strike
Dota 2
Starcraft 2 ( to an extent)
Call of Duty 4
Starcraft Brood War
Halo 3
OT: The guns are imbalanced due to the disproportionate amount of kills you can yield with them to the amount of skill required to use them.
Not to mention they’re boring. No sniping people across the map or a shotgun off the spawn is not fun, it’s stale.
> > Please list balanced games.
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> Counter Strike
> Dota 2
> Starcraft 2 ( to an extent)
> Call of Duty 4
> Starcraft Brood War
> Halo 3
How many of these had to be tweaked to be balanced? Something like, oh, I don’t know, nerfing a couple of weapons?
Keep in mind that there are many, many others who do not consider these games balanced.
Call of Duty 4? Please do explain how the M16 was balanced in that game.
> > > Please list balanced games.
> >
> > Counter Strike
> > Dota 2
> > Starcraft 2 ( to an extent)
> > Call of Duty 4
> > Starcraft Brood War
> > Halo 3
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> How many of these had to be tweaked to be balanced? Something like, oh, I don’t know, nerfing a couple of weapons?
Which is what the OP is saying NOT to do?
Do you people even listen to yourselves?
The OP doesn’t want anything nerfed even though these games show that tweaking can lead to balance.
It’s true that balance is a largely subjective issue. But just because a FEW people complain about something doesn’t make it imbalanced.
The fact is, most people are complaining about the DMR, and game-stats can back up their arguments.
I’m asking how much those games were actually tweaked. And to be honest, I don’t consider half of those games really balanced. I lol’ed at CoD.
And you’re not considering the cases where tweaking has lead to very bad circumstances.
Look at World of Warcraft and GuildWars and Diablo 3, there is no balance to be had.
And about the DMR, it has similar kill times to the weapons of choice in Halo CE and Halo 2. People hated the BR in Halo 3 at launch. And now it is as if the tables have turned and now people want slower kill times back? NO.
Thing is, there are many differing opinions in how a game is considered “balanced.” Not one game will ever please the whole crowd. It’s pleased me, at least.
To some people, “balancing” the gameplay means changing the game and ruining it for others. So to those who are reading this and are not happy with Halo 4…
Get over it or stop playing, because Halo 4 is Halo 4. If you’re that unhappy with this one thing, I don’t see how you could be enjoying any other aspect of the game. Someone will find something else to complain about, and the whole cycle will start again.
EDIT: My bad, double post. I quoted myself, lol.
> > Please list balanced games.
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> Counter Strike
> Dota 2
> Starcraft 2 ( to an extent)
> Call of Duty 4
> Starcraft Brood War
> Halo 3
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> OT: The guns are imbalanced due to the disproportionate amount of kills you can yield with them to the amount of skill required to use them.
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> Not to mention they’re boring. No sniping people across the map or a shotgun off the spawn is not fun, it’s stale.
You forgot Gears of War 1, but CoD4 shouldn’t be on that list.
> Thing is, there are many differing opinions in how a game is considered “balanced.” Not one game will ever please the whole crowd. It’s pleased me, at least.
>
> To some people, “balancing” the gameplay means changing the game and ruining it for others. So to those who are reading this and are not happy with Halo 4…
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> Get over it or stop playing, because Halo 4 is Halo 4.
I.e. ruining it by nerfing their precious overpowered weapons.
As I said earlier, statistics don’t lie and can be interpreted in a number of ways. What weapon is getting the most kills? What weapon is most of the community using? What weapons are the community using the least and why?
The typical “tolerate it or leave argument” that’s another good one. I want you to take that, and approach everything that is thrown at you in life with that, and see where it gets you.
Society of sheep.
And no, it is impossible to please EVERYONE. You just have to please the majority.
> > Please list balanced games.
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> Counter Strike
> Dota 2
> Starcraft 2 ( to an extent)
> Call of Duty 4
> Starcraft Brood War
> Halo 3
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> OT: The guns are imbalanced due to the disproportionate amount of kills you can yield with them to the amount of skill required to use them.
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> Not to mention they’re boring. No sniping people across the map or a shotgun off the spawn is not fun, it’s stale.
Lets see…
Counter-strike is balanced because you use 3 guns.
m4 for the cts
ak for the t’s
and an awp
shotguns dont get touched in any leagues, smg’s dont get touched in any leagues, ect ect ect… yup thats balanced.
starcraft 2 is not a shooter
halo 3? you mean where the br dominated all other guns? yup that was balanced
cod 4? really? shakes head
> Please list balanced games.
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus
The latest patch for Blazblue
Quake
Counter Strike
Halo CE
COD 4 (the hardcore mod, the vanilla gameplay is crap)
DOTA 2
Just to name a few
lol Halo 3 balanced. Just lol.
> lol Halo 3 balanced. Just lol.
Almost perfectly.
Everyone started out with the same equipment, and anything that was better was found on the map where everyone had equal chances of obtaining it.
Arena shooters are the definition of balance. If something is controversial, they just take it out of loadouts and place it on the map instead.
Battlefield 1943. Most balanced game I’ve ever played.
Who ever said Halo CE was balanced should go watch a magnum 3 shot kill and reassess their opinion.