Why not just let people drop a Rank if they can’t continue to win? The game isn’t fun at all when you just hit a ceiling and can’t advance further. I’d rather lose a Rank than be stuck at the same one especially if you insist on continuing to match me against people that are 1 or 2 entire Ranks above me.
You DROP rank if you loose…
Especially lately I’ve been playing against too many Diamond and Onyx guys and I’m Platinum only.
I’d give a lot to go to Gold
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> You DROP rank if you loose…
You can’t drop below the tier 1 of your current rank.
If you are an average platinium and you managed to get up to diamond 1, you can’t drop to platinium anymore and so you will be destroy by diamonds for ever. I think OP is talking about this…
I’m guessing so better players don’t purposely lose in hopes of versing worse players just to farm kills and get a higher K/D, which is why they make the smurf accounts.
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> You can’t drop below the tier 1 of your current rank.
> If you are an average platinium and you managed to get up to diamond 1, you can’t drop to platinium anymore and so you will be destroy by diamonds for ever. I think OP is talking about this…
Oh, I’ve dropped into Gold rank this month I’m VERY sure.
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> Especially lately I’ve been playing against too many Diamond and Onyx guys and I’m Platinum only.
> I’d give a lot to go to Gold
yea I’ve noticed the influx of Diamonds in Platinum level games.
Yes, I’m talking about being able to go down from like Platinum 1 back into the Gold tier. I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s been getting matched up with significantly higher levels. I just thought the damn game has been trolling me the last few days. I mean, what’s the point of putting me in a certain Rank if just about every match I’m going to be forced to go against higher Ranked players.
In Team Slayer this season I’m only Gold 4 and at one point last night, and I’m not joking, it was me, 1 other Gold and 2 Unranked players against 1 Onyx & 3 Diamond (3 of them were also in the same Fireteam). It was seriously such a joke and what was really funny was afterwards they were like, “yeah man, we really cleaned up good” … Well no -Yoink-, it’d be freaking laughable if you didn’t!
I’ve been having the same issue. Made a thread last night about the ranking system being broken…
i think it’s stupid. It inflates rank artificially. If I hit the next tier, I start losing game after game, and arena is no longer fun. It doesn’t let my rank sit at an acceptable, challenging level.
i wish the new season would start now so I get back to a more appropriate rank…
side note, it causes a problem in arena where people will betray their own teammates to lose a match when they’re at Gold 6 and don’t wanna get to platinum.
It’s an issue in all ranks. I place mid to high diamond in breakout and swat, yet im matched with high onyx and champion level players. I prefer challanges to complete blow outs though.
And i don’t think its to keep skilled players from dropping into lower brackets in order to dominate because they really already do this. They’re called smurf accounts. They purposely do terrible during their placement games which puts them in mid silver/gold. This way they can run full teams of smurf accounts or 2 smurf accounts with mid to high diamond or onyx players to run through weaker players. You run into it a lot in Arena and Breakout.
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> Yes, I’m talking about being able to go down from like Platinum 1 back into the Gold tier. I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s been getting matched up with significantly higher levels. I just thought the damn game has been trolling me the last few days. I mean, what’s the point of putting me in a certain Rank if just about every match I’m going to be forced to go against higher Ranked players.
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> In Team Slayer this season I’m only Gold 4 and at one point last night, and I’m not joking, it was me, 1 other Gold and 2 Unranked players against 1 Onyx & 3 Diamond (3 of them were also in the same Fireteam). It was seriously such a joke and what was really funny was afterwards they were like, “yeah man, we really cleaned up good” … Well no -Yoink-, it’d be freaking laughable if you didn’t!
I don’t see how second paragraph is relevant at all but anyways, the purpose of the current ranks is to 1. See progression season by season, hence why they reset 2. To stop people or at least “limit” purpose derankers cuz the 1-50 system has that issue, and 3. To match people relatively close to your skill rank. A silver could match holds and maybe even low tier players and it’d be pretty close, or it could be playts matching diamonds and low onyx players (me) and still be relatively close games majority of the time. It’s not perfect at all, but I like it much more than the xp only one off reach and h4.
As for your match vs 1 onyx and three diamonds, one of the unranked guys could’ve been an onyx or diamond last season and he pulled those guys on you. Like I said, it’s not perfect but I’d bet you have somewhere around a 50% win ratio which is the point of the ranking structure.
What annoys me is when I win a game because my teammates are better than me, then I rank up when I’m not even that good so now I keep going up against players who destroy me most of the time.
Ah, thanks for explaining the smurf account thing. That makes sense because I swear I’ve played against people that just feel like they should be a much higher Rank than they really are. You can just kind of tell by the way they play.
As far as ranking, I really don’t think the game should let match you up with the next Tier until your Rank 6 in your current Tier. And even then if your a Platinum 6 it shouldn’t throw you in with a Diamond 6 IMO… Just Diamond 1 or 2. There are clear differences to me in skill level between Tiers.
I used to think that one criteria for matchmaking was based on KDA becuase I tend to check people’s Service Record after a match. Well thst doesn’t seem to be the case because I’m around .5 but have played against people as high as 12+ KDA and conversely as low as -6.5. That just seems wrong IMO. Especially when a guy with a really high KDA can carry his entire team. Too often I see games won just because 1 person on the other team is OP and has 20+ or even 30+ kills. These are outliers that happen too frequently and to another poster’s point then artificially increases the Rank of everyone else on that team.
Thinking about it some more then they should just calculate your Rank based on individual performance and not just whether your team wins or loses. This would be a much more accurate way of measuring an individual’s skill would it not?
Your background MMR does continue to drop.
Your visual rank in this game actually means very little. That’s not your actual rank. MMR is what you are matched based on. Not CSR.
Don’t ask me why. #just343things
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> Your background MMR does continue to drop.
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> Your visual rank in this game actually means very little. That’s not your actual rank. MMR is what you are matched based on. Not CSR.
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> Don’t ask me why. #just343things
Really!? Do you have a source? That kind of makes sense as to why I would be getting matched up so frequently with higher level CSR players. But then it begs the question… What’s this mysterious MMR, how is it calculated and WTH don’t they show that to us!?
yea you should probably know the matchmaking system really doesn’t give a -Yoink- about your rank compared to anyone elses. maybe if it did I could get matches in with other golds that wern’t being dominated by platinums an diamonds while I have a silver on my team. I think part of the reason is the party/JIP system. if you have a freind thats only in gold but he knows 3 diamonds etc the gold can start a match an have those platinums join on him an they’ll all get matched as if they were a entire team of golds. not sure if it works like this still because I hate halo 5s arena enough to avoid it like the plague
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> You DROP rank if you loose…
Lose. Seriously people let’s get a hand on this, it’s one of the easiest words to spell.
L.O.S.E LOSE NOT LOOSE.
Got it? Good.
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> Really!? Do you have a source? That kind of makes sense as to why I would be getting matched up so frequently with higher level CSR players. But then it begs the question… What’s this mysterious MMR, how is it calculated and WTH don’t they show that to us!?
I don’t think.anybody knows exactly how it works. But it does have the tendency to essentially break people’s accounts. It’s especially obvious once you get to onyx as the game shows you your CSR.
Let me show you two players here. Both off my friends list. They pretty much only ever play with each other in slayer.
Player one- arsenal atx
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/service-records/arena/players/arsenal%20atx
Arsenal has 440 games played in slayer this season with a 98% win rate (yes these kids are ridiculous slayer gods. Have been since h3.) His csr is over 5000 and he’s champ two
Player two- ssyphon
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/service-records/arena/players/ssyphon
He has practically identical stats as arsenal. 460 games, 96% win rate. His csr is only 2000 thought. He’s not even a champ.
Why is this? Because sysphon’s MMR is out of whack with his csr. He’s probably only being given 1 csr per win while arsenal probably gets 10+.
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> > Really!? Do you have a source? That kind of makes sense as to why I would be getting matched up so frequently with higher level CSR players. But then it begs the question… What’s this mysterious MMR, how is it calculated and WTH don’t they show that to us!?
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> I don’t think.anybody knows exactly how it works. But it does have the tendency to essentially break people’s accounts. It’s especially obvious once you get to onyx as the game shows you your CSR.
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> Let me show you two players here. Both off my friends list. They pretty much only ever play with each other in slayer.
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> Player one- arsenal atx
> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/service-records/arena/players/arsenal%20atx
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> Arsenal has 440 games played in slayer this season with a 98% win rate (yes these kids are ridiculous slayer gods. Have been since h3.) His csr is over 5000 and he’s champ two
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> Player two- ssyphon
> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-ca/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/service-records/arena/players/ssyphon
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> He has practically identical stats as arsenal. 460 games, 96% win rate. His csr is only 2000 thought. He’s not even a champ.
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> Why is this? Because sysphon’s MMR is out of whack with his csr. He’s probably only being given 1 csr per win while arsenal probably gets 10+.
Thanks man for this info. I also found an older thread on Reddit that talks a bit more about MMR vs CSR…
This all makes me feel slightly better. I seriously thought the game just had it in for me, but I guess I should take it as a compliment since the game apparently thinks I’m in the same league as the guys it matches me up with.
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> Oh, I’ve dropped into Gold rank this month I’m VERY sure.
You can’t actually drop Tiers. I would love to see how you dropped from a Platinum to a Gold. The only time that would even be possible is during the actual placement matches at the start of a new season.