From everything I have seen so far I am worried to say the least. I believe however the game will come with many options in order to make great playlists so the competative players can have their place and the social can have theirs.
What I have not seen is the explanation of the state of a ranking system. Will one be included with H4? Will it be visable?(if not, why?) Will it completely fail the way of Reach? Are we doomed for hugely unbalanced games…again?
FYI the miltary ranks is not a ranking system. Its a progression system.
I believe that 343 is terrified to release this information because if there is no ranking system then the entire competative community might not buy the game at all.
…well your behind the 8 ball i see. yes there will be a ranking system. but to my understanding, it wont be like halo 3 or reach’s but more of a combo of the two. i think i heard someone say the best of both worlds
I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
I am nervous as well. With Halo being peer to peer it is absolutely necessary to maintain a healthy population and a good skill based ranking system seems to help achieve that.
> I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
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> I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
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> I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
I totally see where you’re coming from…I cant go a single game of invasion without someone quitting these days.
> > I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
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> > I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
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> > I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
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> I totally see where you’re coming from…I cant go a single game of invasion without someone quitting these days.
that has nothing todo with rank tho. thats more of a player error then anything else. ranking never really mattered to me in halo 3 or reach. halo 3 all people did was sell level 50 accounts, boost, or cheat their way to the top. in reach;s ranking system which i like more then halo 3s. it was just play the game and have fun. which is hard nows a days because of the players.
> I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
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> I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
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> I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
Reach’s matchmaking process just matchs me with team mates that can’t play to save their lives’ and enemey’s that seem to have decent K/Ds. WTF REACH!
> > > I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
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> > > I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
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> > > I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
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> > I totally see where you’re coming from…I cant go a single game of invasion without someone quitting these days.
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> that has nothing todo with rank tho. thats more of a player error then anything else. ranking never really mattered to me in halo 3 or reach. halo 3 all people did was sell level 50 accounts, boost, or cheat their way to the top. in reach;s ranking system which i like more then halo 3s. it was just play the game and have fun. which is hard nows a days because of the players.
In Reach there are so many quitters due to no rank penalty for quitting.
Halo 3 was flawed with it’s ranking system. I saw many level 50s with 5-20 games played. That’s called boosting. I was messaged daily about if I wanted to buy a level 50. Arguments in the forums would come down to, “You’re not even a level 45, your opinion doesn’t matter because you’re obviously terrible at the game.” which was an annoyance. Halo 3 was my first online multi-player experience really, and I was pretty bad. I plateau’d out at like level 30 something, even though I was much better, the trueskill kept me their because that’s how it worked. You needed to win constantly to get a higher level.
So then this brings me to the next flaw about the ranking system, alt accounts. I made one, I didn’t like being stopped at level 30 something. So I restarted my account, didn’t boost and I got up to level 44 which I think showed my trueskill. But my last account didn’t, because it averages out my skill when I first started playing, to where I eventually got better.
TL;DR: Alt account flaws, boosting, doesn’t show trueskill, logical fallacies in arguments, etc.
I kinda liked halo 3 ranking system, so many games have the progressive leveling it just gets boring getting just xp. But I don’t really know what to expect with a mixture of both h3 and reach, I just hope it’s challenging and not boring.
> > > > I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
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> > > > I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
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> > > > I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
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> > > I totally see where you’re coming from…I cant go a single game of invasion without someone quitting these days.
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> > that has nothing todo with rank tho. thats more of a player error then anything else. ranking never really mattered to me in halo 3 or reach. halo 3 all people did was sell level 50 accounts, boost, or cheat their way to the top. in reach;s ranking system which i like more then halo 3s. it was just play the game and have fun. which is hard nows a days because of the players.
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> In Reach there are so many quitters due to no rank penalty for quitting.
no thats because of players getting mad and raging over stupid stuff its a player problem for not seeing the game thro, not the fact that the ranking system would not de ranked you. (thank god that was taken out)
> > > I don’t really care about having a number next to my name… I had a 50 in everything in H3 but that just made my friends have expectations of me that I didn’t always feel like living up to.
> > >
> > > I just don’t want to play unbalanced games, that’s all I ask for is a skill system (doesn’t need to be seen) that matches fair games…
> > >
> > > I tried playing doubles with my buddy earlier today on reach and made people rage quit 5 games IN A ROW, I literally feel like I am ruining their fun just because Bungie never got their Yoink together to make a balanced MM
> >
> > I totally see where you’re coming from…I cant go a single game of invasion without someone quitting these days.
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> that has nothing todo with rank tho. thats more of a player error then anything else. ranking never really mattered to me in halo 3 or reach. halo 3 all people did was sell level 50 accounts, boost, or cheat their way to the top. in reach;s ranking system which i like more then halo 3s. it was just play the game and have fun. which is hard nows a days because of the players.
I never said H3 had a “flawless” ranking system, there were many cheaters and that is the main problem with it… I couldn’t think of anything less disgusting than host booter/host bridgers/stand byers/de-rankers and I was NOT apart of the cheated level 50 group.
Ranking did matter in H3 though, I rarely got matched up in unbalanced games where one team totally destroys the other.
If only they paired you by your BPR, that would be the closest thing to fair if they are not going to have a visual rank system in H4
> From everything I have seen so far I am worried to say the least. I believe however the game will come with many options in order to make great playlists so the competative players can have their place and the social can have theirs.
>
> What I have not seen is the explanation of the state of a ranking system. Will one be included with H4? Will it be visable?(if not, why?) Will it completely fail the way of Reach? Are we doomed for hugely unbalanced games…again?
>
> FYI the miltary ranks is not a ranking system. Its a progression system.
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> I believe that 343 is terrified to release this information because if there is no ranking system then the entire competative community might not buy the game at all.
I think you’re taking some things too seriously if you’re contingent on buying a game whether you have number beside your name or not (Essentially the ranking system)
> Whatever ranking system they have… It better not have the De-ranking part of it after losing a game…
then stick to the social playlist. if you lose you should go down in rank. if you dont like that dont play RANK. i never got this why do poeple who dont like rank complain about ranks? dont play it play social.Now because of all the people who played social and complaind about Rank playlist we are stuck with everyone playing the same social playlist. then you have unfaire games. seriously a game that has a rank and social playlist is perfect becuase everyone is happy. unlike reach where it was made just for social. i would have no problem if H4 had the 50 system like 3. even with all the cheater which didnt even affect me. and the people who were complaining the most were ppl who barley played rank
Your will have a visible rank, your Spartan Rank (SR), based on experience. It has also been said that there will be a skill rating number, but it will only be visible to you.
Honestly, what important to me is the fact that skill-based matchmaking will return.
There is 2 ranking systems in halo 4. a progression system like reaches but gives you a bigger reward for playing the objective aiding the objective and winning.
And some actual ranking system that deals with letters and numbers. we don’t know how that one will work.