Seriously, why isn’t there a permanent playlist yet? Not everyone can be instantly login in, sometimes 2 is all you get.
i was constantly getting mics last time they had ranked doubles.
Because 343 loves to drink our tears.
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> Because 343 loves to drink our tears.
like Eric Cartman?
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> like Eric Cartman?
Sure, but I was thinking more of a cynical demon lord hell bent on the destruction and misery of others.
I liked doubles just feel some of the maps were too big for just 4 people. I wish the made smaller maps for doubles.
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> Seriously, why isn’t there a permanent playlist yet? Not everyone can be instantly login in, sometimes 2 is all you get.
I would love one as well, and for the same reason - its hard to get a group of four, but two is pretty easy. I would give up all of the new game modes they’ve talked about just to get a ranked doubles playlist.
The truth is though, 343 have to cater to their market, and most of the Halo market is extremely casual. Look at the playlist numbers that they released - doubles was the least played. People would rather play rumble rockets, Fiesta, Griffball, etc. These people don’t want to play a playlist where your contribution is 50%, and games can be drawn out and really competitive. They want to spawn with rockets and just spray. Just look at the posts about Fiesta - people are complaining that they ever spawn with a “normal” weapon, even for a single life, and they’ve already asked to change it so that never happens (which defeats the entire point of the game type)! And many of the threads asking for doubles have been swamped with people demanding that 343 prioritise Infection, or griffball, or whatever other flavour of the month.
As much as I would love doubles, you can’t really blame 343 for focusing on their market and making more popular playlists. And before you say they should just add them all, no - its pointless having dozens of playlists and fracturing an already small population. 343 said this was their intention behind the more focused set of playlists, and I think its a good decision - just look at MCC which has been removing/consolidating playlists so people can get games. In my region, its already impossible to get FFA or Breakout games, and the addition of Grifball and Social has made it even slower to get games in the playlists that are active (like slayer and team arena, which are now only active in peak times, and only if your rank doesnt get too high). And even in a high pop region, dozens of playlists would surely thin things out.
tldr I want doubles but I doubt we will get it.
Because every time its offered its the least played playlist.
Hopefully it will get back for a small while during a special event such as Easter, I’m guessing this might happen since it was available during valentines.
But again it’s the least played playlist with the smallest teams. Only 4 people are in the game. How’s there gonna be a huge population
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> But again it’s the least played playlist with the smallest teams. Only 4 people are in the game. How’s there gonna be a huge population
My thoughts exactly. And it’s probably no coincidence that Warzone is the most popular, with 24 players per game.
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> But again it’s the least played playlist with the smallest teams. Only 4 people are in the game. How’s there gonna be a huge population
Woow. You’re either trolling or this is just embarrassing. If 100 people go into a playlist, that’s 100 people. It doesn’t matter if they are formed into teams of 4 or 2. 100 people split into teams of 2 is still 100 people. This may blow your mind but BTB is teams of 8 and has a low population. Amazing right?
I ask myself this every time I log in and see that Doubles is absent.
As for the population statistics, the only thing 343i told us iirc was which playlists had a greater number of unique players. This hardly tells us anything, and what would be more insightful is player retention, total number of games or even average population (per playlist). Additionally, we don’t have any actual numbers! The list of playlists ordered by unique users provided by 343i is statistically useless, for obvious reasons which I shouldn’t need to explain, so I don’t know why everyone against a Doubles playlist constantly brings it up?!
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> Because every time its offered its the least played playlist.
- we’ve only had Doubles once… unless of course you’re including the Valentines Doubles Date, in which case please let me know how you know that was the least played playlist at the time? If it was though, it wouldn’t surprise me given that it practically ruined what Doubles truly is.
- it was never actually stated to be the least played playlist. FFA was bottom of the list of total unique players during the holiday season, so how can you use that to justify the removal of Doubles but not the removal of FFA? But again, see above regarding how ‘unique players’ means very little here.
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> > Seriously, why isn’t there a permanent playlist yet? Not everyone can be instantly login in, sometimes 2 is all you get.
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> I would love one as well, and for the same reason - its hard to get a group of four, but two is pretty easy. I would give up all of the new game modes they’ve talked about just to get a ranked doubles playlist.
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> The truth is though, 343 have to cater to their market, and most of the Halo market is extremely casual. Look at the playlist numbers that they released - doubles was the least played. People would rather play rumble rockets, Fiesta, Griffball, etc. These people don’t want to play a playlist where your contribution is 50%, and games can be drawn out and really competitive. They want to spawn with rockets and just spray. Just look at the posts about Fiesta - people are complaining that they ever spawn with a “normal” weapon, even for a single life, and they’ve already asked to change it so that never happens (which defeats the entire point of the game type)! And many of the threads asking for doubles have been swamped with people demanding that 343 prioritise Infection, or griffball, or whatever other flavour of the month.
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> As much as I would love doubles, you can’t really blame 343 for focusing on their market and making more popular playlists. And before you say they should just add them all, no - its pointless having dozens of playlists and fracturing an already small population. 343 said this was their intention behind the more focused set of playlists, and I think its a good decision - just look at MCC which has been removing/consolidating playlists so people can get games. In my region, its already impossible to get FFA or Breakout games, and the addition of Grifball and Social has made it even slower to get games in the playlists that are active (like slayer and team arena, which are now only active in peak times, and only if your rank doesnt get too high). And even in a high pop region, dozens of playlists would surely thin things out.
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> tldr I want doubles but I doubt we will get it.
What’s your source for Doubles being ‘least played’?
I’d also like to mention that a lot of people assume the average online population will be constant with the addition of new playlists, without considering the potential and probable outcome of the average online population actually increasing with the greader choice of playlists. Choice is good and Doubles is a staple Halo playlist… it’s not rocket science.
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> As for the population statistics, the only thing 343i told us iirc was which playlists had a greater number of unique players. This hardly tells us anything, and what would be more insightful is player retention, total number of games or even average population (per playlist). Additionally, we don’t have any actual numbers! The list of playlists ordered by unique users provided by 343i is statistically useless, for obvious reasons which I shouldn’t need to explain, so I don’t know why everyone against a Doubles playlist constantly brings it up?!
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> 1) we’ve only had Doubles once… unless of course you’re including the Valentines Doubles Date, in which case please let me know how you know that was the least played playlist at the time? If it was though, it wouldn’t surprise me given that it practically ruined what Doubles truly is.
> 2) it was never actually stated to be the least played playlist. FFA was bottom of the list of total unique players during the holiday season, so how can you use that to justify the removal of Doubles but not the removal of FFA? But again, see above regarding how ‘unique players’ means very little here.
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> > > Seriously, why isn’t there a permanent playlist yet? Not everyone can be instantly login in, sometimes 2 is all you get.
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> > I would love one as well, and for the same reason - its hard to get a group of four, but two is pretty easy. I would give up all of the new game modes they’ve talked about just to get a ranked doubles playlist.
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> > The truth is though, 343 have to cater to their market, and most of the Halo market is extremely casual. Look at the playlist numbers that they released - doubles was the least played. People would rather play rumble rockets, Fiesta, Griffball, etc. These people don’t want to play a playlist where your contribution is 50%, and games can be drawn out and really competitive. They want to spawn with rockets and just spray. Just look at the posts about Fiesta - people are complaining that they ever spawn with a “normal” weapon, even for a single life, and they’ve already asked to change it so that never happens (which defeats the entire point of the game type)! And many of the threads asking for doubles have been swamped with people demanding that 343 prioritise Infection, or griffball, or whatever other flavour of the month.
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> > As much as I would love doubles, you can’t really blame 343 for focusing on their market and making more popular playlists. And before you say they should just add them all, no - its pointless having dozens of playlists and fracturing an already small population. 343 said this was their intention behind the more focused set of playlists, and I think its a good decision - just look at MCC which has been removing/consolidating playlists so people can get games. In my region, its already impossible to get FFA or Breakout games, and the addition of Grifball and Social has made it even slower to get games in the playlists that are active (like slayer and team arena, which are now only active in peak times, and only if your rank doesnt get too high). And even in a high pop region, dozens of playlists would surely thin things out.
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> I’d also like to mention that a lot of people assume the average online population will be constant with the addition of new playlists, without considering the potential and probable outcome of the average online population actually increasing with the greader choice of playlists. Choice is good and Doubles is a staple Halo playlist… it’s not rocket science.
343 released the figures, slayer was highest, doubles like the lowest, at least of the additional playlists. I cant be bothered tracking down the post, if you use the search function youll find it. It was commentated on all over the forums, you really can’t miss it if you put some effort in. In response to someone else you responded that FFA was low, and why not remove that, so I assume you’ve seen the figures, not sure why youre being disingenuous. Anyway, in answer to that question-remove away, Its already such low population that FFA games are impossible in my region anyway! But noone is using the figures as a reason to get rid of a playlist–I want doubles, i’m just giving reasons why they probably won’t do it. I can’t fathom why you think that unique users is an irrelevant stat: as I stated, they are more likely to prioritise things that the most people want. Pretty simple.
As to your point about playlists increasing population, its not that noone considers it, its just that it seems highly unlikely. Sure, maybe there were people who refused to buy the game all this time, and now that Griffball is out theyre suddenly playing it. But I doubt this accounts for some massive new influx. And if it did, why did games slow down in other playlsits once social, griffball, etc were released? And there most certainly is not a huge population who will start playing if they get doubles: why were none of them playing when doubles was released?
You’re right, its not rocket science: doubles was the least played playtlist, so its unlikely to bring in any significant new population. Just because you’re not happy about it doesn’t change the facts. I hate it too, but its how it is. As I said, I’d give up numerous playlists, I’d give up firefight etc just to have ranked doubles. But I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong.
I’ve been saying this since launch… Team Doubles should always be a set playlist.
i feel ya boys, i want dubs too m8
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> I’ve been saying this since launch… Team Doubles should always be a set playlist.
Hopefully it will get back
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> > 2) it was never actually stated to be the least played playlist. FFA was bottom of the list of total unique players during the holiday season, so how can you use that to justify the removal of Doubles but not the removal of FFA? But again, see above regarding how ‘unique players’ means very little here.
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> > > > Seriously, why isn’t there a permanent playlist yet? Not everyone can be instantly login in, sometimes 2 is all you get.
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> > > I would love one as well, and for the same reason - its hard to get a group of four, but two is pretty easy. I would give up all of the new game modes they’ve talked about just to get a ranked doubles playlist.
> > > The truth is though, 343 have to cater to their market, and most of the Halo market is extremely casual. Look at the playlist numbers that they released - doubles was the least played. People would rather play rumble rockets, Fiesta, Griffball, etc. These people don’t want to play a playlist where your contribution is 50%, and games can be drawn out and really competitive. They want to spawn with rockets and just spray. Just look at the posts about Fiesta - people are complaining that they ever spawn with a “normal” weapon, even for a single life, and they’ve already asked to change it so that never happens (which defeats the entire point of the game type)! And many of the threads asking for doubles have been swamped with people demanding that 343 prioritise Infection, or griffball, or whatever other flavour of the month.
> > > As much as I would love doubles, you can’t really blame 343 for focusing on their market and making more popular playlists. And before you say they should just add them all, no - its pointless having dozens of playlists and fracturing an already small population. 343 said this was their intention behind the more focused set of playlists, and I think its a good decision - just look at MCC which has been removing/consolidating playlists so people can get games. In my region, its already impossible to get FFA or Breakout games, and the addition of Grifball and Social has made it even slower to get games in the playlists that are active (like slayer and team arena, which are now only active in peak times, and only if your rank doesnt get too high). And even in a high pop region, dozens of playlists would surely thin things out.
> > > tldr I want doubles but I doubt we will get it.
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> 343 released the figures, slayer was highest, doubles like the lowest, at least of the additional playlists. I cant be bothered tracking down the post, if you use the search function youll find it. It was commentated on all over the forums, you really can’t miss it if you put some effort in. In response to someone else you responded that FFA was low, and why not remove that, so I assume you’ve seen the figures, not sure why youre being disingenuous. Anyway, in answer to that question-remove away, Its already such low population that FFA games are impossible in my region anyway! But noone is using the figures as a reason to get rid of a playlist–I want doubles, i’m just giving reasons why they probably won’t do it. I can’t fathom why you think that unique users is an irrelevant stat: as I stated, they are more likely to prioritise things that the most people want. Pretty simple.
> As to your point about playlists increasing population, its not that noone considers it, its just that it seems highly unlikely. Sure, maybe there were people who refused to buy the game all this time, and now that Griffball is out theyre suddenly playing it. But I doubt this accounts for some massive new influx. And if it did, why did games slow down in other playlsits once social, griffball, etc were released? And there most certainly is not a huge population who will start playing if they get doubles: why were none of them playing when doubles was released?
> You’re right, its not rocket science: doubles was the least played playtlist, so its unlikely to bring in any significant new population. Just because you’re not happy about it doesn’t change the facts. I hate it too, but its how it is. As I said, I’d give up numerous playlists, I’d give up firefight etc just to have ranked doubles. But I just don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong.
It only had such low numbers because they didn’t bother to tweak the maps for Doubles and it really show how over saturated maps were with power weapon. Eventually 343 realized this and took out some power weapons in a few maps. In some maps they took out too many
Permanent Doubles isn’t the only playlist that should be there.
they could but they don’t want to.