I mean its been almost a year since BTB came out for Halo 5 and we still don’t have any full on developer-made BTB maps? Are you serious? I just scratch my head at this and just say why. I mean its not like 343 is incapable of making their own BTB maps from scratch. I mean they made some fantastic BTB maps in Halo 4 like Longbow, Meltdown, Exile and more. They’re always making Arena maps but not freaking BTB maps and its a damn shame. Its like they’re completely shafting it and leaving the Cartographers to handle BTB maps and thats just lazy.
343 please. Come on. Bungie was able to give the Halo Community regular Slayer/Objective maps and BTB maps and you did this back in Halo 4. Do it again with Halo 5. After seeing how awesome Mercy looks and the Warzone maps, I’m sure you could make some awesome BTB maps from scratch.
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> Probably don’t put enough resources to do so. They are focus on Arena and Warzone maps.
I still don’t get the point of that. Honestly they should focus more on BTB maps then Arena maps at this point since Arena has a crapload of dev made maps but BTB has none at all. This would be the perfect opportunity for 343 to put some effort into making some full on new maps for BTB that weren’t made in Forge.
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> > Probably don’t put enough resources to do so. They are focus on Arena and Warzone maps.
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> I still don’t get the point of that. Honestly they should focus more on BTB maps then Arena maps at this point since Arena has a crapload of dev made maps but BTB has none at all. This would be the perfect opportunity for 343 to put some effort into making some full on new maps for BTB that weren’t made in Forge.
Either they are too incompetent to do what has been shown possible many times before. Or they did it intentionally.
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> > > Probably don’t put enough resources to do so. They are focus on Arena and Warzone maps.
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> > I still don’t get the point of that. Honestly they should focus more on BTB maps then Arena maps at this point since Arena has a crapload of dev made maps but BTB has none at all. This would be the perfect opportunity for 343 to put some effort into making some full on new maps for BTB that weren’t made in Forge.
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> Either they are too incompetent to do what has been shown possible many times before. Or they did it intentionally.
I really doubt they’re that incompetent. Well then again these are the developers that still haven’t put in Playable Elites, Race, all the other gametypes Halo Reach and 3 had, still haven’t fixed theater, and still won’t give us full armor customization.
If they’re doing this intentionally then thats a bad move on 343’s part.
BTB has always been the thing that kept me playing all the Halo games, and its sad to see 343 botch up BTB and pretty much abandon it to the community.
Now, the community deserves some serious props tho!! Some of those forged BTB maps in the Refresh update are Legit! and exactly what BTB needed from the beginning. The problem is it shouldn’t have been left up to the community to fix their mistakes…
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> BTB has always been the thing that kept me playing all the Halo games, and its sad to see 343 botch up BTB and pretty much abandon it to the community.
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> Now, the community deserves some serious props tho!! Some of those forged BTB maps in the Refresh update are Legit! and exactly what BTB needed from the beginning. The problem is it shouldn’t have been left up to the community to fix their mistakes…
Exactly my point. 343 shouldn’t completely shaft BTB and leave the maps up to the community. Thats just lazy and BTB, arguably the greastes Halo gametype doesn’t deserve it.
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> I mean its been almost a year since BTB came out for Halo 5 and we still don’t have any full on developer-made BTB maps? Are you serious? I just scratch my head at this and just say why. I mean its not like 343 is incapable of making their own BTB maps from scratch. I mean they made some fantastic BTB maps in Halo 4 like Longbow, Meltdown, Exile and more. They’re always making Arena maps but not freaking BTB maps and its a damn shame. Its like they’re completely shafting it and leaving the Cartographers to handle BTB maps and thats just lazy.
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> 343 please. Come on. Bungie was able to give the Halo Community regular Slayer/Objective maps and BTB maps and you did this back in Halo 4. Do it again with Halo 5. After seeing how awesome Mercy looks and the Warzone maps, I’m sure you could make some awesome BTB maps from scratch.
I’m a huge BTB fan, I’ve played thousands upon thousands of BTB games, and I can tell you that the reason they haven’t paid developers to create BTB maps is that they can’t really be used for anything else. A small team map? Chances are, it can get used for slayer, arena, SWAT, doubles, snipers, and probably even some action sack – all sorts of playlists. But BTB maps can pretty much be only used for BTB, and so they relegate their map design to forgers rather than developers; in the long run, it probably saves them money. In the short run, it makes people wonder why a game that sells more than $60 million in revenue needs to cut corners.
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> > I mean its been almost a year since BTB came out for Halo 5 and we still don’t have any full on developer-made BTB maps? Are you serious? I just scratch my head at this and just say why. I mean its not like 343 is incapable of making their own BTB maps from scratch. I mean they made some fantastic BTB maps in Halo 4 like Longbow, Meltdown, Exile and more. They’re always making Arena maps but not freaking BTB maps and its a damn shame. Its like they’re completely shafting it and leaving the Cartographers to handle BTB maps and thats just lazy.
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> > 343 please. Come on. Bungie was able to give the Halo Community regular Slayer/Objective maps and BTB maps and you did this back in Halo 4. Do it again with Halo 5. After seeing how awesome Mercy looks and the Warzone maps, I’m sure you could make some awesome BTB maps from scratch.
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> I’m a huge BTB fan, I’ve played thousands upon thousands of BTB games, and I can tell you that the reason they haven’t paid developers to create BTB maps is that they can’t really be used for anything else. A small team map? Chances are, it can get used for slayer, arena, SWAT, doubles, snipers, and probably even some action sack – all sorts of playlists. But BTB maps can pretty much be only used for BTB, and so they relegate their map design to forgers rather than developers; in the long run, it probably saves them money. In the short run, it makes people wonder why a game that sells more than $60 million in revenue needs to cut corners.
I see your point. Then the solution is simple. Make more gametypes for BTB like King of the Hill, Neutral Bomb, Neutral Flag, Territories, and a bunch of others like how Halo 3 and Halo Reach did. That way they’d have more to work with.
I’ve definitely noticed this as well, but I have come to not really mind it. Fact of the matter is- the forgers did a bloody good job on these maps. They play well and are gorgeous.
On top of that, I’ve interacted with 3 or 4 of the cartographers, and they are just thrilled to have their maps in the game. Honestly it’s kind of a win-win. This coming from a guy that plays a ton of BTB
It was clear that in Halo 5 343I didn’t care about BTB, there focus was 4-4 arena and warzone. Especially Warzone… I blame Warzone for a lot of the problems playlist wise in Halo 5. Warzone is 343I baby (and break out, but it’s terrible IMO and they will soon realize this if they haven’t already) and they know they can make lots of money off it so they are focusing on that. It’s sad really… IMO warzone is only as popular as it is because it’s SO EASY to get a lot of REQ and EXP points so fast compared to say any mode in Arena. Case in point, make it so you get as many REQ points from say 4-4 arena or BTB matches and see how many more people play those playlists. It’ll be a lot I’m betting.
I hope for Halo 6 the only warzone part of the game is in a Firefight mode. Overhaul Firefight and do stuff like you do in hoard mode on Gears. Make bases and stuff, I don’t know… Have REQs just for that mode (They aren’t going anywhere I’m betting ) Most people would rather play PvE then PvPvE anyways I think. All the evidence was there. Majority of people wanted Firefight back, people have been asking for it since after Halo reach!!! yet 343I still didn’t do it. They only did after us fans asked them about a billion times to add it… So focus on Firefight! (Like you should of for Halo 5!!!) and not Warzone!
They will never make any BTB maps, and the way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t in Halo 6 either, but hopefully they have heard how SO MANY people aren’t happy about the fact BTB got pretty much kicked to the curb in Halo 5 that they will put more care into BTB for Halo 6… otherwise just hire forgers, give them ALL the tools that 343I have and have them make BTB maps.
Not hating on 343I or anything here, just saying it how I see it.
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> It was clear that in Halo 5 343I didn’t care about BTB, there focus was 4-4 arena and warzone. Especially Warzone… I blame Warzone for a lot of the problems playlist wise in Halo 5. Warzone is 343I baby (and break out, but it’s terrible IMO and they will soon realize this if they haven’t already) and they know they can make lots of money off it so they are focusing on that. It’s sad really… IMO warzone is only as popular as it is because it’s SO EASY to get a lot of REQ and EXP points so fast compared to say any mode in Arena. Case in point, make it so you get as many REQ points from say 4-4 arena or BTB matches and see how many more people play those playlists. It’ll be a lot I’m betting.
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> I hope for Halo 6 the only warzone part of the game is in a Firefight mode. Overhaul Firefight and do stuff like you do in hoard mode on Gears. Make bases and stuff, I don’t know… Have REQs just for that mode (They aren’t going anywhere I’m betting ) Most people would rather play PvE then PvPvE anyways I think. All the evidence was there. Majority of people wanted Firefight back, people have been asking for it since after Halo reach!!! yet 343I still didn’t do it. They only did after us fans asked them about a billion times to add it… So focus on Firefight! (Like you should of for Halo 5!!!) and not Warzone!
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> They will never make any BTB maps, and the way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t in Halo 6 either, but hopefully they have heard how SO MANY people aren’t happy about the fact BTB got pretty much kicked to the curb in Halo 5 that they will put more care into BTB for Halo 6… otherwise just hire forgers, give them ALL the tools that 343I have and have them make BTB maps.
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> Not hating on 343I or anything here, just saying it how I see it.
You made a lot of good points. 343 focuses too much on Arena and Warzone that they pretty much kicked everything to the curb. I liked Breakout originally but after the change, it got so much worse and is now easier to play and now more people rush instead of being cautious.
As for BTB, I just want 343 to give us some dev made BTB maps cause they made them in Halo 4 and they were fantastic. I wanna see that kind of thing again in Halo 5.
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> I’ve definitely noticed this as well, but I have come to not really mind it. Fact of the matter is- the forgers did a bloody good job on these maps. They play well and are gorgeous.
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> On top of that, I’ve interacted with 3 or 4 of the cartographers, and they are just thrilled to have their maps in the game. Honestly it’s kind of a win-win. This coming from a guy that plays a ton of BTB
Well it is nice that you enjoy them and yes some of them are awesome, I would hope that 343i would give forgers dev tools to make the maps.
343 dev commented earlier on other BTB thread that they did not have time to do BTB maps.
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> Well it is nice that you enjoy them and yes some of them are awesome, I would hope that 343i would give forgers dev tools to make the maps.
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> 343 dev commented earlier on other BTB thread that they did not have time to do BTB maps.
And yet they have the time to make so many Arena maps. SIgh. 343 just give us at least 2 or 3 dev made BTB maps. If you guys can do Warzone maps, making BTB maps shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
