This is what I see whenever I see or read about someone complaining that a REQ pack is pay to win. I fully admit he exaggerates it a bit. But he does so to prove a point. A Prophet’s Bane in the hand of a bad player doesn’t make that person a great player. Say it goes to Norfang next, if you can’t shoot with a sniper, you still won’ be able to. These simply make a bad player still bad but may get an extra kill or two.
I also think it’s important to CONTINUE to note that these packs can be obtained through REQ points. Meaning Greedy Microsoft doesn’t need to get your money if you don’t want to. Nobody has ever HAD to pay more than the base $60-$70 for the game itself over a month ago. And as the video shows, if you choose not to buy these packs, you’re not at as much of a disadvantage as you believe yourself to be.
Look I think it’s very well understood that the community in general is not in favor of a lottery system for customization. I can totally agree with that. But to bring up irrational arguments just to continue to try to prove your point only works against the cause.
I don’t consider it to be pay to win, but it sort of wanders into that territory a little, if you ask me. Now, if it were a $20 REQ pack that could only be bought with money and it was guaranteed to give you a Level 1 loadout Rocket Launcher, that would be pay to win.
It is very much pay to win. Micro transactions in Halo 5 was already pushing the boundaries for me, but making a extremely good weapon that would normally take months of play to obtain available for cash is crossing the line. We need to show how terrible of a idea this was before they make the mistake again.
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> It is very much pay to win. Micro transactions in Halo 5 was already pushing the boundaries for me, but making a extremely good weapon that would normally take months of play to obtain available for cash is crossing the line. We need to show how terrible of a idea this was before they make the mistake again.
So is your objection due to the fact that you don’t like money being spent, or that you feel money being spent cheapens the fact that it took some sort of invested time to earn this particular card?
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>Thinks he is credible and not a blind 343 Incompetencies fanboy
Hahahaha!
The Req system is a garbage blatant cash grab. If anyone who is half decent throws money at the screen, then it become pay to win. Sure it might not be pay to win if someone completely garbage picks it up, but that is a straw man argument implying all people who buy it do not get an advantage.
Also, are you really spreading a message where someone is telling people “This was a joke, if you thought it was real, kill yourself”? Reported.
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> >Mentions LTN
> >Thinks he is credible and not a blind 343 Incompetencies fanboy
> Hahahaha!
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> The Req system is a garbage blatant cash grab. If anyone who is half decent throws money at the screen, then it become pay to win. Sure it might not be pay to win if someone completely garbage picks it up, but that is a straw man argument implying all people who buy it do not get an advantage.
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> Also, are you really spreading a message where someone is telling people “This was a joke, if you thought it was real, kill yourself”? Reported.
That’s what you got out of that video? Someone was looking to be upset about something.
Again, how can something be a “blatant cash grab” when their is an option to obtain without using cash at all? If this is truly a “cash grab” then this is something that can ONLY be obtained using money (pro team weapon skins for example).
I think you need to look up the definition of “Straw Man Argument”. Outside of a very select few of people, I doubt that the Prophet’s Bane in the hands of your ordinary Halo player is enough to turn the entire tide of a match to guarantee a win. Your argument on the other side I would constitute to be the video game version of Fear Mongering. Make a situation seem worse than it is to appeal to the fear of the masses to create change.
Oh, tell me so much more about how 343 INCOMPETENCIES is the greatest possible thing for us gamers and the Halo franchise. Tell me more about how we should bend the -Yoink- over for every single thing they do. Tell me more about how complaining and criticizes them is what makes Halo bad and not the decisions they make. Tell me more about how Halo dying is completely at the fault of the veterans and nothing else.
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> > It’s just another cash grab imo
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> Yet proceeds from the REQ system are funding the HCS prize pools. I’m not going to agree with you but also not disagree either.
So the average fan now funds the pros,why can’t Microsoft or 343 do that?
You clearly don’t understand what P2W is. P2W is not “Oh, I bought this so I win”. It’s paying for an advantage. The term is not literal. Therefore, the pack is P2W. It doesn’t matter if he’s good or not, I bought it, now I have an advantage.
It’s like the REQ defenders think P2W is an instant victory. In this case, it’s an advantage.
LTN is trash anyway, the guy made an AR tip video LOL.
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> Oh, tell me so much more about how 343 INCOMPETENCIES is the greatest possible thing for us gamers and the Halo franchise. Tell me more about how we should bend the -Yoink- over for every single thing they do. Tell me more about how complaining and criticizes them is what makes Halo bad and not the decisions they make. Tell me more about how Halo dying is completely at the fault of the veterans and nothing else.
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> Give me a -Yoinking!- break.
I don’t believe I’ve said any of that. Sure you’re replying to the correct thread?
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> You clearly don’t understand what P2W is. P2W is not “Oh, I bought this so I win”. It’s paying for an advantage. The term is not literal. Therefore, the pack is P2W. It doesn’t matter if he’s good or not, I bought it, now I have an advantage.
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> LTN is trash anyway, the guy made an AR tip video LOL.
Unless your killed the minute you spawn with the weapon. Then you paid for bupkiss (which I feel is much more appropriate for raging). Is it really an advantage in a game type where the entire point is unbalanced mayhem though?
Also, I don’t find it that much of an advantage when it takes REQ level 6 to obtain. At that point practically every weapon and vehicle in the game (save a few) are available at that point. So I put the advantage of this particular weapon as being negligable at best. Again, I feel that the downsides of this are being exaggerated to prove a point. I will admit that if someone spends the money they are paying for an advantage. Yet then it’s up to that person to be able to use it in a way that is advantageous. So really I guess the best phrase for this is “Pay for the Opportunity to have an Advantage.”
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> My point is we have a right to complain.
Oh I’ll never say you don’t have a right to complain. We’re given an opportunity and a forum to express our views that may (hopefully) reach the eyes and ears of those who can take constructive feedback and utilize it.
What I see, here more than other places, is an over exaggeration of a problem in order to show that the problem is worse than it is. I fully admit that the video used to counter is an over exaggeration in the other direction. But that hope was for the other side to see what it looks like and see if a discussion could take place a little more towards the middle.
Yes the REQ system is horrible. I hate it. It makes no sense that someone can put months into a game a still not have a standard DMR for use in Warzone. Yet have a hundred thousand speed boosts and 3 variations of the same armor set. That’s ridiculous. But the other downside of Pay to Win I feel is overstated and exaggerated to make it seem more like a problem then it truely is.
While I don’t necessarily agree with the whole pay-to-win argument, the fact that they set the REQ points purchase to 100,000 means they’re really hoping you opt into paying for it instead. It’s very cheap of them to do that. They know it’s a lot easier to spend $10 than it is to save up 100k REQ points for one pack.
And because of that, it is very much a cash grab and I do not, nor will I, support such greedy behavior from a company that is in no short supply of money.
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> > You clearly don’t understand what P2W is. P2W is not “Oh, I bought this so I win”. It’s paying for an advantage. The term is not literal. Therefore, the pack is P2W. It doesn’t matter if he’s good or not, I bought it, now I have an advantage.
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> Unless your killed the minute you spawn with the weapon. Then you paid for bupkiss (which I feel is much more appropriate for raging). Is it really an advantage in a game type where the entire point is unbalanced mayhem though?
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> Also, I don’t find it that much of an advantage when it takes REQ level 6 to obtain. At that point practically every weapon and vehicle in the game (save a few) are available at that point. So I put the advantage of this particular weapon as being negligable at best. Again, I feel that the downsides of this are being exaggerated to prove a point. I will admit that if someone spends the money they are paying for an advantage. Yet then it’s up to that person to be able to use it in a way that is advantageous. So really I guess the best phrase for this is “Pay for the Opportunity to have an Advantage.”
That doesn’t change the fact you paid for an advantage. And yes, it is an advantage, no matter how big or small it is, it’s a Mythic for a reason.
The advantage is getting 12, and even 1 of them are amazingly strong. No other weapon can compare to it, besides the Nornfang. It has camo and a speed boost, and you can add a perk that makes you stronger. You’re just trying to ignore the fact that it’s an advantage by saying other people have stronger things, that’s a strawman, you just got them faster by paying $10 instead of playing 5 WZ matches for a SLIGHT chance at a Mythic, wasting about 2 hours when you could have gotten them in 1 minute.