Why make halo 5 Exactly like Halo 2

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Ok so when i hear the negative stuff on halo 5 Im basically hearing make halo 5 halo 2 aninversary also. But heres the issue with it. IS all the old school halo fans already have a game that plays like a true halo game as they call it they have halo 2 anniversary and halo 3 with there very own playlist sooooooooo why are you basically even caring what halo 5 is like because you wont have to worry about the halo 2 population drop right. Because when halo 5 comes out and its going to have all these abilities you guys are going to be all pissy because you cant play the new halo like the old halos but im going to still be confused about it because you can play the new halo like the old halos its in the MCC thats your old halo so everyone else can move in the new direction maybe its not like classic halo but maybe thats getting stale. so let halo 5 be the new kinda of halo and if you dont like it then just throw in halo MCC and play halo 2A it would basically be the same thing if you guys actualy get a new halo to play like halo 2

I mean this is why im a bit cofused by this, lets say theres two soda vending machines one has the new coke in a can the other one has the classic one tha requires a bottle opener to open up and drink. So now your in line waiting to one of the new ones and they offer them both at the same time forever right now you have a guy who is complaining about how coke should only be in a glass bottle and require you to use a bottle opener to crack ope rather then this newer tab that opens the can. ok i get it you like the old way your hardcore about it… but you have that right net to the new one so why are you complaining you already have what you want its literaly right there and no one is stopping you from using it, now theres this other group who likes the new cans they dont want it to go back to old ones but also dont care that they still make the old one because they know they dont have to use it that way and also understand that the old schools can have there orignially bottled coke.

So basically you already have a halo game that plays like a classic halo so why are you getting so amped up that this new halo isnt playing like that too what is your biggest problem with a game not playing exactly like a gae you can already play one you already have access to one you can keep playing even after halo 5 with all its new stuff that wont affect you since your playing halo 2 will have. seriously halo 5 wont affect you in halo 2… unless people ditch halo 2 for halo 5 then your sitting there all booboo face because people left and then you go on a rant saying halo is dead but in fact it snot its just that no one wants to play the halo you want to play thats it but if your so confident in halo 2 gameplay then dude chill out if halo 5 comes out and no one likes it then hey you need not be mad just throw in halo MCC and boom mad halo 2 population for your playing pleasure so in truth halo 5 new stuff will not even be noticed by you if you just want to play halo 2 or 3 over and over and over and over and over again because you can the game is made for you to play the old halo way so is that not good enough for you.

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Nobody said make it Halo 2. We said remove speed, and up the movement speed for the most part.

We say remove bad change:

We say add good change:

I suprised myself, I voted “Yes” on those on both Clamber and Thrusters.

Remove things as Shoulder Charge and sliding, because it’s useless. I have never seen one person slide, and I have never been killed by someone Shoulder charging. The maps are too big, and you kill way too fast for Shoulder charging to be effective at all. Sliding does what? You have to have been running for a long time before you are able to slide, and it really isn’t a good idea to sprint for that time to be able to activate slide.

I have only been killed once by Ground Pound.

i feel that Stabilizers should get their own button (Float Mid-air) so you can choose to stabilize while mid air. It could add positively to the game as well.

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I need none of these SA’s or Sprint, but I really don’t care. In the divisions I will play, these things are no problem. Don’t know if it is in Semi-Pro…

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> Nobody said make it Halo 2. We said remove speed, and up the movement speed for the most part.
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> We say remove bad change:
> http://i.imgur.com/hpEUu0y.png
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> We say add good change:
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> http://i.imgur.com/HJ0hZAE.png
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> http://i.imgur.com/wbm7Fn1.png
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> I suprised myself, I voted “Yes” on those on both Clamber and Thrusters.
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> Remove things as Shoulder Charge and sliding, because it’s useless. I have never seen one person slide, and I have never been killed by someone Shoulder charging. The maps are too big, and you kill way too fast for Shoulder charging to be effective at all. Sliding does what? You have to have been running for a long time before you are able to slide, and it really isn’t a good idea to sprint for that time to be able to activate slide.
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> I have only been killed once by Ground Pound.
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> i feel that Stabilizers should get their own button (Float Mid-air) so you can choose to stabilize while mid air. It could add positively to the game as well.

I have actualy used the Spartan Charge in so many different occasions think of it like the raptor theory one distracts while the second strikes from the side or when i see that my opponent is about to reload i just charge in and slam. and the slide is a bit jerky i think it should be like the COD one becaus rthis one is nothing like COD slide its crappier COD slide is more smooth and fluid. in halo you have to be at some full sprint to use it rathe rthen right off the ba of a sprint you can use it like like move from one location and slide you know use tactics of cover and concealment to close the distance on you opponent. halo ois becoming a more thinking game now you must look around make sure no one is going to bust you as you sprint becaus man iv sprint accross and been shot down by people. the ground pund takes some getting used to but its mainly like a once you get the chance use it. heres the thing you dont have to use them but there there so if you dont like them dont use it. just dont get mad if someone else knows how to use them and you dont. iv seen this this guy went on a rage rant because i used the ground pound on him twice and he was mad because he was killed he said it wasnt fair. in my mind im thinking ok how is it not fair if he had been paying attention he would have seen me getting ready to ground pound i was fully vulnerable for a bit plus if his team was actualy looking out for him as i do for mine then they would have warned him he could have boosted left or right or have them shoot me because when you ground pound or charge have this limited time span when you cant really move. these are the balancers and the risk of using them non of these abilities come without a risk if you miss with any of them you are going to pay so there are still consequences to using them iv missed with the ground pound and was stuck for a bit so i was an easy shot for them and when i missed with the charge i was left volnurable from behind and was quickly assasinated so to say theres no consequences is wrong serioulsy go play and watch how when you use them your temporably immobile with groubnd pound and with the charge you kinda look stuck and making you an easy kill so use with caution or dont use at all if you dont like them the crazy thing is you dont have to use them there just added options not required gameplay things sprint is a bit though but the rest arent.

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If we make it more in line with the trilogy’s design, it would be a rather unique game in the FPS market. Plus, 343 would please a lot more fans than they would with the current one.

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> 2533274805230315;2:
> Nobody said make it Halo 2. We said remove speed, and up the movement speed for the most part.
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> We say remove bad change:
> http://i.imgur.com/hpEUu0y.png
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> We say add good change:
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> http://i.imgur.com/HJ0hZAE.png
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> http://i.imgur.com/wbm7Fn1.png
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> I suprised myself, I voted “Yes” on those on both Clamber and Thrusters.
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> Remove things as Shoulder Charge and sliding, because it’s useless. I have never seen one person slide, and I have never been killed by someone Shoulder charging. The maps are too big, and you kill way too fast for Shoulder charging to be effective at all. Sliding does what? You have to have been running for a long time before you are able to slide, and it really isn’t a good idea to sprint for that time to be able to activate slide.
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> I have only been killed once by Ground Pound.
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> i feel that Stabilizers should get their own button (Float Mid-air) so you can choose to stabilize while mid air. It could add positively to the game as well.

Im not saying I want slide or any of that foolishness. But I slide on boons with the smg all day. Works wonders.

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> I need none of these SA’s or Sprint, but I really don’t care. In the divisions I will play, these things are no problem. Don’t know if it is in Semi-Pro…

THe crazy thing is you dont have to use them you have to initiate the sprint no you can actualy play the entire match wihtout using one of these and if soeone else uses them then let them its not your problem as you sa it doesnt affect you.

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because people are afraid of Halo 5 beings its own game and from the beta so fare its incredible and is the direction halo should be going in.

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> If we make it more in line with the trilogy’s design, it would be a rather unique game in the FPS market. Plus, 343 would please a lot more fans than they would with the current one.

I agree that the game HAS to be in line with the trilogy’s core design, but some change is good. Thrusters are great IMO, but Sprint, Clamber, Slide, and Charge are awful. I’m OK with Ground Pound since it’s so situational and rare to see.

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i went and hunted down a old statement about this i made just for you.

> for the love of GOD
>
> you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
>
> halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
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> What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
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> copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
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> > for the love of GOD
> >
> > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> >
> > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> >
> > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> >
> > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> >
> >
> > > for the love of GOD
> > >
> > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > >
> > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > >
> > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > >
> > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > >
> > >
> > > > for the love of GOD
> > > >
> > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > >
> > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > >
> > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > >
> > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > for the love of GOD
> > > > >
> > > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > > >
> > > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > > >
> > > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > for the love of GOD
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.

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> > 2533274903590459;3:
> > I need none of these SA’s or Sprint, but I really don’t care. In the divisions I will play, these things are no problem. Don’t know if it is in Semi-Pro…
>
>
> THe crazy thing is you dont have to use them you have to initiate the sprint no you can actualy play the entire match wihtout using one of these and if soeone else uses them then let them its not your problem as you sa it doesnt affect you.

I said that I don’t care about these new things and I enjoy the beta. I just don’t know how the gameplay is in semi-pro, it’s always a different game when pros or noobs are playing.

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> > 2533274822366750;5:
> > If we make it more in line with the trilogy’s design, it would be a rather unique game in the FPS market. Plus, 343 would please a lot more fans than they would with the current one.
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>
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> I agree that the game HAS to be in line with the trilogy’s core design, but some change is good. Thrusters are great IMO, but Sprint, Clamber, Slide, and Charge are awful. I’m OK with Ground Pound since it’s so situational and rare to see.

On the same page, thruster is only OP because of how it goes with sprint, otherwise, it would be one of the more balanced SA’s.

If by change, you mean like H3 equipment style change, then be my guest.

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Where did you hear " make halo 2 again"?

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> 2533274883561809;9:
> > 2533274822366750;5:
> > If we make it more in line with the trilogy’s design, it would be a rather unique game in the FPS market. Plus, 343 would please a lot more fans than they would with the current one.
>
>
> I agree that the game HAS to be in line with the trilogy’s core design, but some change is good. Thrusters are great IMO, but Sprint, Clamber, Slide, and Charge are awful. I’m OK with Ground Pound since it’s so situational and rare to see.

Im going to have to disagree with you on the sprint clamber and slide being awful and i will tell you why i think that.,

Sprint to me feel smooth it has to be initiated so even if they didnt take it out you dont have to use it they made it a more optional thing if anything and if you dont use sprint you cant use charge or slide.

the charge i have used very much. its affective in my use. so i feel it may not be necessary but agian its a choice move not a mandatory one.

the slide is nice but done badly when call of duty did it it was smooth and transitional. you have to be at full sprint to use it . rather in call of duty it was u had to be moving and it was a smooth slide.

and clamber oh clamber how i love you because when i was moving to one thing i was like freaking all over the map ooking at angles feeling limitless halo 2 and 3 feel like it gives me limits that i cant get past like im in some cage. i have used clamber in many of ways… i run jump boost then clamber to the ledge and move onto the next peice of objctive and now my avenues of approach have become vast no you cant just think ok he has only two ways of getting in here so now i can camp this corner and be good no no no now you have even watch over your head so now the strategy must change and be ever on your toes. i like them they feel good in the game with a bit of the not so cool feel for slide but that just needs to be tweaked to be more smooth oh and ground pound oh yea its the best.

Also non of these abilities come without consequences for mis use I here how now these things break the you pay for your wrong descisions aspect of halo gameplay but pay close attention to the abilities.

Sprint: your sheilds stay down is the key here but also you have to decide is it smart to just sprint out there without risking getting shot while sprinting and my onlyoption to helo my sheild is to actualy stop sprinting and risk just getting shot anyways thus theres the xonqeunces of sprinting at the wrong time.

thruster: it take time to recharge my thruster meaning use it with caution because if used to soon now your sheilds down and you wont have thruster available to boost away from shots.

Charge: Charge leaves you very volnurable when you miss man i mean you look dumb when you miss plus you kinda cant react fast enough to avoid a attack from the one you missed.

Ground pound: your are in some form of armor lock for a few seconds and cant use your weapon a little after you get up from the ground pound leaving you bascilly vulnerable from return fire from the person you may have not killed or totally missed. Also its an obvious its coming type of move making you vulnerable in mid air from team fire or the guy who just happened to look up and boosted away and just sprays you down.

Clamber : its a bit slow to clamber but not to slow o its fine but still leaves you exposed by leavng you weaponless for the duration of the use and the split second after .

Slide : slide has to be used at full sprint so it exposes the shild and itself in that sense plus slide behind the wrong cover and now you may risk being sheildless and still exposed.

SO these abilities have there vulnerabilities you can expose.

Heres how i use them though so you can see how iv used them.

SO the match starts and i go for the power weapon in the first scenario. i sprint to the sniper rifle i sprint and get the rifle and thrust left dodging incoming fire then i begine to snipe. thats a good balance and use of the abilities. to use to my advantage.

The second scenario is i went for the sword and met the other team well just one we went for the sword at te same sprint he went to grab it i used the charge hit him awayn with a kill then grab the sword. it was not an unfair advantage as i decided to use it he decided not to not my fault i outwitted him.

Third scenario is the guy with the sword comes at me i thrust away and kill him yea this makes the sword not its god like thing but hey this als makes me a smart spartan an not some dumb one who stands there and accepts an a death i at least tried to do something other then aimlessly run away because when i dodged the guy i had a sticky grenade i got him with.

these are the real scenarios i have used the abilities i didnt mention them all but iv used them all but i use them carefully because they do have there drawbacks but i feel that that is purposely so my advice to you is if you dont like the abilities learn to expose there vulnerabilities because if you master that you will dominate those wh rely on them.

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> Where did you hear " make halo 2 again"?

I heard it on many replies on forums where some fanboy says he wants the gameplay to be like halo 2 a true halo game and the only true halo game and it shouldnt change from that and he also went on to mention -Yoink- about populations and what not.

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> i went and hunted down a old statement about this i made just for you.
>
>
> > for the love of GOD
> >
> > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> >
> > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> >
> > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> >
> > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> >
> >
> > > for the love of GOD
> > >
> > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > >
> > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > >
> > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > >
> > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > >
> > >
> > > > for the love of GOD
> > > >
> > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > >
> > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > >
> > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > >
> > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > for the love of GOD
> > > > >
> > > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > > >
> > > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > > >
> > > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > for the love of GOD
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for the love of GOD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you little -Yoink- need to get banhammered.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > halo purists DON’T want a rehashed game year after year, thats only something you little -Yoink- keep saying we want.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we ACTUALLY want i s a halo game that naturally EVOLVES and IMPROVES with each iteration. we want sequels that take the previous game flow and builds upon it. and improves it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > copy and pasting game mechanics from other games and putting them into halo, a halo sequel it does NOT make young padawan.

your one who whos says this i suggest you may have a sit down with the halo 2 fanboys because they scream halo 2 remake and besides just play the old halo game and dont play halo 5 i like the direction halo is going in even though im not playing it day one because i want to make sure it has the number one thing does it work.

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> > > I need none of these SA’s or Sprint, but I really don’t care. In the divisions I will play, these things are no problem. Don’t know if it is in Semi-Pro…
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> > THe crazy thing is you dont have to use them you have to initiate the sprint no you can actualy play the entire match wihtout using one of these and if soeone else uses them then let them its not your problem as you sa it doesnt affect you.
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>
> I said that I don’t care about these new things and I enjoy the beta. I just don’t know how the gameplay is in semi-pro, it’s always a different game when pros or noobs are playing.

wy does it have to be noobs why cant it be mid range players. but yea it can be different this game will come out and if peope dont liek it well it will not do well if people lbecome more and more like hmm so these changes arent so bad then hey good stuff and for those who dont just will snap in halo MCC back in and play halo 2 or 3 or whatever so really people wont lose you just wont have the new halo being like you want it to be its not a biggy hey if they take everything ot of it and make it like halo 2 or just not have sprint then ill redbox it see how it plays see if i like the feel and if not well ill just go play other stuff an forget abotu im not going to get pissy about it.

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Halo 5 will be halo 5 lets all agree on that and alos agree how no one person will ever be happy but i do come with perhaps a solution, we make a thread directed to 343 so they get all our wants met.

Heres my Sugesstion halo5 will play as the beta plays but why not suggest 343 make specific playlist that play like the halo you like or perhaps make customs option which restricts abilities and what not like no sprint .

i say this is possible becuase advance warfare has done it ith the exo suits. if you go play the classic stle playlist all your button functions to exo boost magicaly dont work as if they shut them off to that specific playlist.

So why cant 343 basicaly make a playlist where sprint doesnt work where thrusters dont exist where slam is non existent or perhaps the community say mmm we want a playlist
that plays like this why must the whole entire game play only one way this is next gen stuff we are talking about why cant we have multiple types of playlist types that function in there own respective ways. now this may sting a bit to those purist who cant handle outside thought. But Advance warfare was able to pull off this playlist type no issue so is a company like 343 not capable of this same thing is halo 5 only able to play as one direction and only in that direction. just ask yourself that if this game company really cares about its community why ot offer a playlist that caters to every type of community in halo thos in favor for the new halo those not and those in the middle.

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For the umpteenth time, we “competitive”/classic fans do not want another Halo 2, nor do we want another CE or Halo 3. All we want is a new Halo that keeps its identity and doesn’t add in redundant or unnecessary changes.

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> For the umpteenth time, we “competitive”/classic fans do not want another Halo 2, nor do we want another CE or Halo 3. All we want is a new Halo that keeps its identity and doesn’t add in redundant or unnecessary changes.

Why cant they just put a playlist like that in halo 5 then why does the entire game have to play that way and you say unnecessary changes i like these changes so what your saying is im going to have to lose out on these changes why cant this game have both its next gen i challenge 343 to make it have both options this halo you wt and the halo 5 beta halo is that easy enough to understand.