"Why is there so much negativity on the forums"

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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WARNING : This may trigger you 343i fans.

Disclaimer : I know that what I say is not everyone’s opinion, when I say we I don’t mean you Halo 5 lovers. I mean the people who hate on 343i and Halo so then we can get the Halo Franchise up from this hell hole.

We’ve all heard people ask this question before.

Since we’re humans we like to focus on the negative obviously, but the people who bash 343i don’t do it just to talk -Yoink-.

I continuously post negative things on these forums. Not for the sake of it but because I want a good Halo.

We’re tired of 343i not listening to us. We’re tired of Halo not being the #1 title, we’re tired of being told that we suck because we like “Halo”

We all want a good Halo game, I think everyone does. but for some reason 343i does the opposite of what most Halo players want (Most halo players that either quit Halo because 343i -Yoinked!- it up, or the Halo 5 haters that stay around hoping that 343i does something to bring the franchise to it’s glory)

We thought telling 343i “we don’t want a Halo that’s like CoD” was enough. But after everyone hated Halo 4, they -Yoinked!- up again with Halo 5. So, since 343i showed that we needed to express our opinions more, we started hating more. And by hating I mean stating what we hate about Halo 5 and the direction it’s going.

“You’ve already said ___ enough, I think 343i knows that we don’t want ___ in the next Halo title”

Yeah we’ve said we don’t want CoD mechanics in Halo (When Halo 4 was out) and then they made Halo 5. If they can’t listen to these simple things then obviously we need to say it more and more in order for 343i to hear us.

“Why don’t we focus on the good of Halo 5?”

Because 343i already should know the good. If not a lot of people talk about it negatively, then it probably should stay.

"Well that’s just your opinion"
No -Yoink-. I state my opinion for a few reasons

  • So I can see if people disagree with me, or agree with me - So I can influence other people to talk about the subject - So 343i will hopefully start realizing that we don’t want another generic shooter

PLEASE do not reply your opinion with nothing to back it up. I hated this with the “I like sprint” people because they NEVER said why they think Sprint should stay.

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An old but true axiom - “People don’t know what they want until you give it to them”

Turns out people, including people who love ‘Halo’, are liking Halo 5. Let’s be honest 343 did ALOT. They brought it back from the brink of CoDification. It may still have sprint and a few modern features but the bones are still there, it’s still Halo.

Me personally? My fave game is still Halo 3 - I’d love to see a more ‘traditional’ experience in Halo 6, but that doesn’t stop me appreciating Halo 5 which is definitively not 'Codified" or ‘generic’. The H2/3 days are gone, the best solution is a classic playlist and a continuation of the trend of returning to roots while innovating.

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> An old but true axiom - “People don’t know what they want until you give it to them”
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> Turns out people, including people who love ‘Halo’, are liking Halo 5. Let’s be honest 343 did ALOT. They brought it back from the brink of CoDification. It may still have sprint and a few modern features but the bones are still there, it’s still Halo.
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> Me personally? My fave game is still Halo 3 - I’d love to see a more ‘traditional’ experience in Halo 6, but that doesn’t stop me appreciating Halo 5 which is definitively not 'Codified" or ‘generic’. The H2/3 days are gone, the best solution is a classic playlist and a continuation of the trend of returning to roots while innovating.

They haven’t Codified Halo 5? While they did make Arena better (no load outs) they still added more CoD features. Ground Pound, Thrusting, ect.

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Turns out people, including people who love ‘Halo’, are liking Halo 5. Let’s be honest 343 did ALOT. They brought it back from the brink of CoDification. It may still have sprint and a few modern features but the bones are still there, it’s still Halo.
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No the reason why most of the “old halo players like Halo” is because most of them don’t have a voice in this community because most of them LEFT Halo.

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If old Halo players left Halo, would 343i making a game geared towards the old Halo players bring them back?

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> If old Halo players left Halo, would 343i making a game geared towards the old Halo players bring them back?

They’re too busy trying to get the CoD community in here.

EDIT : they are trying, Halo 5 is pretty much like this

They tried to make it so Arena is back to it’s roots. No loadouts and there is weapon pickups.

And then they geared it towards CoD by having the “Flashy” movement system that the new CoDs have

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> Turns out people, including people who love ‘Halo’, are liking Halo 5. Let’s be honest 343 did ALOT. They brought it back from the brink of CoDification. It may still have sprint and a few modern features but the bones are still there, it’s still Halo.

…which they started?

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Ugh, why do so many people not understand? Halo is supposed to be futuristic. Thrusters and groundpounds are a part of development that has been active throughout the whole franchise. Yes, before you start yelling that CoD had them first, let me explain something to you. Every CoD fan hates the direction CoD is going. CoD was never about exoskeletons and double jumping, it’s supposed to be a modern shooter with as much realism as possible.

So please, i understand that some people hate the new aim system and thrusters, but before you rant, please know that this isn’t copied from CoD. Halo is focusing on the future, as it’s supposed to do.

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Doesn’t the UNSC have any aerial vehicles in the future?

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> Ugh, why do so many people not understand? Halo is supposed to be futuristic. Thrusters and groundpounds are a part of development that has been active throughout the whole franchise. Yes, before you start yelling that CoD had them first, let me explain something to you. Every CoD fan hates the direction CoD is going. CoD was never about exoskeletons and double jumping, it’s supposed to be a modern shooter with as much realism as possible.
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> So please, i understand that some people hate the new aim system and thrusters, but before you rant, please know that this isn’t copied from CoD. Halo is focusing on the future, as it’s supposed to do.

But the thing is, is that there are TONS of games that are focused on the future… THAT DOESN’T HAVE THESE MOVEMENTS.

I don’t see Star Wars ground pounding and thrusting everywhere.

I don’t feel like it’s more futuristic.

And as a person once said Lore < Gameplay.

If the gameplay sucks no new people will enjoy the game enough to learn the lore.

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Really? You cannot say 343 doesn’t listen to the community. They listened to the criticisms of Halo 4 and make Halo 5 equal starts again and got rid of AAs, they listened to the Forge community and make forge better, they listened and brought back firefight and the list goes on. I understand some people’s frustrations but they cant do everything and I almost guarantee they will listen to the criticisms of Halo 5 and change them in Halo 6. Some things cannot be changed with the current game, and some things can in time.

I also want Halo to be great but as we all know, Halo fans on these forums and back during the Bungie era were always negative. I remember how crazy the forums got with the release of Halo 2, and Halo Reach especially.

OP I do not understand why you are saying Halo is like COD now. It still feels like Halo to me. 343 have given us scope back with some guns (some people like the ADS which is why they kept it), the addition of thrusters and ground pound adds a new dynamic to the game and I think it is great. I do not like Spartan charge though.

The problem with you saying that 343 doesn’t listen is that the community is split on many decisions so they cannot fix everything to your liking. Your definition of a great Halo is different from mine or someone else’s. In my opinion what makes halo great is the campaign and 343 did not deliver for Halo 5 story wise. However, the gameplay is great in my opinion and is not like COD.

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> Really? You cannot say 343 doesn’t listen to the community. They listened to the criticisms of Halo 4 and make Halo 5 equal starts again and got rid of AAs, they listened to the Forge community and make forge better, they listened and brought back firefight and the list goes on. I understand some people’s frustrations but they cant do everything and I almost guarantee they will listen to the criticisms of Halo 5 and change them in Halo 6. Some things cannot be changed with the current game, and some things can in time.
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> I also want Halo to be great but as we all know, Halo fans on these forums and back during the Bungie era were always negative. I remember how crazy the forums got with the release of Halo 2, and Halo Reach especially.
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> OP I do not understand why you are saying Halo is like COD now. It still feels like Halo to me. 343 have given us scope back with some guns (some people like the ADS which is why they kept it), the addition of thrusters and ground pound adds a new dynamic to the game and I think it is great. I do not like Spartan charge though.
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> The problem with you saying that 343 doesn’t listen is that the community is split on many decisions so they cannot fix everything to your liking. Your definition of a great Halo is different from mine or someone else’s. In my opinion what makes halo great is the campaign and 343 did not deliver for Halo 5 story wise. However, the gameplay is great in my opinion and is not like COD.

I say it’s more like CoD because everything needs to be fast paced. CoD had fast TTK, AW and BO3 had increased this by making the character faster.

Halo is going in the same way. Fast paced gameplay imo is not what Halo is all about. Halo is slow paced, instead of people instantly dying you have to aim and get consecutive shots off in order to win the fight.

While there are some things that make it Halo, Other things make it look like CoD.

It’s sad when Doom looks more like Halo than Halo 5 does.

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I mean if you post hate messages and call them sh*t, that’s just bad.
If you make a constructive post telling them stuff and how they can fix it etc. that should be fine.
The ‘removing sprint will make Halo great again’ post is cancer.

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> I mean if you post hate messages and call them sh*t, that’s just bad.
> If you make a constructive post telling them stuff and how they can fix it etc. that should be fine.
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> The ‘removing sprint will make Halo great again’ post is cancer.

Yet there were totally valid points in why they should remove it, but I heard 0 valid ones from the pro-sprint supporters…

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> Turns out people, including people who love ‘Halo’, are liking Halo 5. Let’s be honest 343 did ALOT. They brought it back from the brink of CoDification. It may still have sprint and a few modern features but the bones are still there, it’s still Halo.
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> No the reason why most of the “old halo players like Halo” is because most of them don’t have a voice in this community because most of them LEFT Halo.

You shouldn’t say most left, thats not strictly true, not everyone that plays halo comes here to the forum. I play with a big group of guys that have been playing Halo since the original, they don’t come to the forum because they have better things to do with their time like work, kids etc. You shouldn’t speak for those that are not here, those who played CE 15 years ago are adults. Some will have walked away from Halo, some will have walked away from video games, some have better and more important stuff to do, but some of us are also still here. Who’s to say how many, nobody knows

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It pretty much always has been the case, and it will continue to always be the case.

The official forums will be like this, and you may find alternate ones are much much more positive, like for example reddit

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Everyone has their own opinion. I respect that. I love Halo 5 and i like sprint in my Halo. I dont think my personal opinion needs to be justified with an explaination. Partially because i dont have one and thats ok because its my personal opinion. I like CE-3 i like Reach-5. I like having the ability to sprint more than not being able to. I honestly dont care what you want or like. If Halo 6 doesnt have sprint guess what, i will buy it because its Halo. If its fun i will keep playing it. If not ill stop. Dont piss on other peoples opinions because they cant, or wont, explain them.

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> WARNING : This may trigger you 343i fans.
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> Disclaimer : I know that what I say is not everyone’s opinion, when I say we I don’t mean you Halo 5 lovers. I mean the people who hate on 343i and Halo so then we can get the Halo Franchise up from this hell hole.
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> We’ve all heard people ask this question before.
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> Since we’re humans we like to focus on the negative obviously, but the people who bash 343i don’t do it just to talk -Yoink-.
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> I continuously post negative things on these forums. Not for the sake of it but because I want a good Halo.
>
> We’re tired of 343i not listening to us. We’re tired of Halo not being the #1 title, we’re tired of being told that we suck because we like “Halo”
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> We all want a good Halo game, I think everyone does. but for some reason 343i does the opposite of what most Halo players want (Most halo players that either quit Halo because 343i -Yoinked!- it up, or the Halo 5 haters that stay around hoping that 343i does something to bring the franchise to it’s glory)
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> We thought telling 343i “we don’t want a Halo that’s like CoD” was enough. But after everyone hated Halo 4, they -Yoinked!- up again with Halo 5. So, since 343i showed that we needed to express our opinions more, we started hating more. And by hating I mean stating what we hate about Halo 5 and the direction it’s going.
>
> “You’ve already said ___ enough, I think 343i knows that we don’t want ___ in the next Halo title”
>
> Yeah we’ve said we don’t want CoD mechanics in Halo (When Halo 4 was out) and then they made Halo 5. If they can’t listen to these simple things then obviously we need to say it more and more in order for 343i to hear us.
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> “Why don’t we focus on the good of Halo 5?”
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> Because 343i already should know the good. If not a lot of people talk about it negatively, then it probably should stay.
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> "Well that’s just your opinion"
> No -Yoink-. I state my opinion for a few reasons
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> - So I can see if people disagree with me, or agree with me
> - So I can influence other people to talk about the subject
> - So 343i will hopefully start realizing that we don’t want another generic shooter
> PLEASE do not reply your opinion with nothing to back it up. I hated this with the “I like sprint” people because they NEVER said why they think Sprint should stay.

I like sprint. :wink:

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> > 2535449926793126;8:
> > Ugh, why do so many people not understand? Halo is supposed to be futuristic. Thrusters and groundpounds are a part of development that has been active throughout the whole franchise. Yes, before you start yelling that CoD had them first, let me explain something to you. Every CoD fan hates the direction CoD is going. CoD was never about exoskeletons and double jumping, it’s supposed to be a modern shooter with as much realism as possible.
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> > So please, i understand that some people hate the new aim system and thrusters, but before you rant, please know that this isn’t copied from CoD. Halo is focusing on the future, as it’s supposed to do.
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> But the thing is, is that there are TONS of games that are focused on the future… THAT DOESN’T HAVE THESE MOVEMENTS.
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> I don’t see Star Wars ground pounding and thrusting everywhere.
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> I don’t feel like it’s more futuristic.
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> And as a person once said Lore < Gameplay.
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> If the gameplay sucks no new people will enjoy the game enough to learn the lore.

So is it codification or not? Does cod have thruster pack or ground pound? If not, then it sounds like halo is unique and not codified. If I’m wrong and the game has those movements correct me, I haven’t played the latest cod.

The only star wars game that’s currently out there is terrible so I wouldn’t compare it to that.

To me this gameplay is fantastic. It requires you to have a consistently good shot while now playing faster than ever. This game is difficult as well. Try taking a week break and coming back, its going to be difficult. Imo, this gave is much more difficult for newbies to learn than previous halos.

Lastly, attacking those who like sprint but can’t come up with an argument for it is just plain silly. This is a game, if they have no argument except that it feels good to them, then that is a valid argument. This is a VIDEO GAME, people can enjoy whatever parts of it they choose too. Not everything has to always promote perfect gameplay, which btw is subjective

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I don’t understand why people can’t just move on, my favorite game was halo 3. But if every other halo game that came out was the same as 3, then I would honestly get bored of it. Plus the only reason I like Halo 3 the most is because its the first one I played and is the one that I had the most memories on.
After playing Halo 4 and Halo 5 I can honestly say that if they released Halo 6 and it was the same as 3 in regards of mechanics, then I would be like wtf is this crap.
Halo 2 is, too some people, one of the best games made. But I went a replayed it on MCC and I thought it was crap, only because i’m used to the updated mechanics and graphics of the new titles. Halo 5 had its flaws, It’s very large flaws, but people should move past it and just except it as the new halo game. Too some it is the first halo they played, therefore the best one in their opinion. And too the rest its just a downhill game because its different to the first game they played.
Just accept it how it is and try to actually enjoy something in life, its a piece of entertainment, either enjoy it or play something else that’s more your play style. Something like Nintendogs, maybe that can calm you down.