One its not just in Halo. Call of Duty was worse in the Halo 3 era back when everyone only had voice chat. GTA 4, Minecraft, Rust, DOTA, Heroes of the Storm, and Overwatch had some really toxic players. Even some games with rather good communities like FFxiv have bad apples among them. Every fandom creates people that are -Yoink!-. As for slurs and mean words, they’ve been in pretty much every online community. Some of its shock humor, some of it is just to get a rise out of someone to make them emotion to feed their trolling, it makes someone feel big, and some of it is just blowing off steam. Its kind of died down since Party chats/Discord, censoring chats, turning off opposing chat, muting players, and the reputation system (which worked pretty well on the 360).
As for Halo, doesn’t really helped that the community has been divided over several games. Reach split the community for some folks. Halo 4 split it for others. MCC launching a broken mess angered people wanting to play H2A. Halo 5 was well Halo 5. People felt ignored and want to try to save the game series from death and or to return to glory. Halo Infinite has its problems (Network issues, Economic model/customization, lack of content) but at its core has something that could be great. Now the death threats and doxxing is dumb and wrong. But with all this anger and hope, it provides smokescreen to trolls and dbags. It just how it is with the internet. Some people need a thicker skin because life sucks and trolls need to stop with doxxing and death threats.
Just remember one of the rules of the internet don’t feed the trolls.
The toxicity has increased quite a bit since 343 took over.
There are many reasons, but you have to realize that people come here to vent. Misery loves company, and it snowballs. Sometimes it’s a bunch of little things that add up.
I’ll give an example.
I passed a million kills in reach firefight, and am the all time leader in assists for it.
I hadn’t been to a halo board since the early bungie days, and I came here to ask and beg for some kind of legacy stat record for mcc to be transferred over.
No.
And the stats and online capabilities are gonna be sunset.
Ouch. For years 343 had said the older versions will be supported. No.
Then they botch reach firefight for mcc, so I dont play it, and theres no stats there on top of it.
I love btb, but playing solo you frequently run into 8 stacks. Worse, these 8 stacks dont play against each other. Basically feast or famine every game.
So, no mcc multiplayer, no reach firefight.
I’m at 150, and 343 announces the watchdog.
Get it, and make it fun despite the req system.
Watchdog doesnt look like what was shown.
And again with infinite, no firefight. Not the stats I hoped for, sparse.
Cant even play btb right now, and God help you if you try to get a multi-input party together.
So that leaves campaign. Which I have to wait to play to follow the tradition of us and friends gathering to play Legendary before multiplayer.
So, you see how some people just snap from all the little things.
What I mentioned may not bother other people.
But it pisses me off.
I’m old school ce, bungie had its flaws, but the games had something special.
I’m just shocked that this is a new Halo game, and I’m not interested in playing it yet.
We care a lot about halo and infinite even though its good it can easily be better and there is a lot of things that are bad that needs to be changed and made better
Well it’s because the majority of people are enjoying the game and playing it, meaning the only people around on the forums are the people not playing, complaining, whining, b1tching, whatever you want to call it.
Generally everyone agrees on the main issues such as regarding the store, but the anger towards this easily spills into further outrage, most at completely minute points, ala. people raging and saying they’re never playing Halo again because 343 added cat ears into a cosmetic store. Like wtf who cares?
It’s annoying that I find it hard to be able to agree with half the posts on this forums simply due to how unhinged they are in relation to the actual gravity of what they’re complaining about.
Player expectations from previous entries in the franchise and a matter of trust between developer and consumer.
Player expectations set up from 343’s own words & marketing for Infinite & Trust regrown from Halo 5’s damage and MCC’s rejuvenation.
Players that have been there from the beginning with Halo feel with Infinite a sense of betrayal due to not living up to the promises made by 343 (ie player expression) and that feeling of trust being shattered once again by a launch eerily similar to halo 5 on the multiplayer side of things.
as for the more volatile bad apples? while they express their rage in poor taste, it is the same rage at the dissatisfaction Infinite has caused, some just handle it better than others?
It’s because it’s catering to all the casuals with their AR laser beams, no skill gap with precision weapons, the predatory monetization, the lackluster campaign, the desync and hit reg issues.
Yeah, we are gonna moan about it… even more because shills out here taking it all the way down their gullet.
Is anyone really so gullible as to believe or trust anything 343 says?
I’ve been here from the beginning 20 years ago. And 343 is absolutely untrustworthy. They blatantly lied about a variety of things after Halo 4’s launch. They lied about their knowledge of the MCC’s condition at its launch. 100% of Halo 5’s marketing was lies. Now they’ve been lying about a variety of things with Infinite.
343 is one of the least trustworthy and least competent AAA developers in the modern industry, and they have proven that repeatedly for 10 years.
Nobody should believe anything from them until the end product is in their hands.
They have potential to have their first great game here in Halo Infinite, but the first six weeks of (non) response from them about the glaring issues does not inspire confidence they’ll pull through and deliver on that potential.
I was more referring to the general consensus surrounding the startup of infinite’s marketing and Halo MCC’s rejuvenation/redemption, that played a part, a major part I feel in building faith in 343.
the problem with 343 atm is a problem they’ve had since 4 I suspect, and as Jason Schrier reported the dev studio was like a revolving door, which is why the Reclaimer saga as a whole has been so heavily inconsistent.
I’d say their first halo game, Halo 4 was probably their least controversial release at this rate, had a heart behind it that was missing in 5 and…I wouldn’t say its the same heart in infinite but there is something there, just drowning in the sins of its bad management and being cut in two.
the main turn offs in 4 I find are the aggressive introduction to the new art style ad embracing the trend that was CoD, though spiritually 4 was mechanically Reach’s sequel.
no one can give you a real reason because there are no valid ones. people are just bitter inside. you can’t have opinions being a halo player or else someone will always have a snobby reply. block those people and focus on the good ones.
I’ve noticed that it’s a lot of very emotional people who can’t think rationally about anything they don’t like, so they become toxic rather than find a solution and ignore their problems… Kinda explains why they’re on the internet for that long.
The problem also is not respecting who you’re talking to, being condescending and not taking someone serious is a direct route to being toxic, hence why you should ignore people who act like that towards you.
Easiest explanation is MOST of the toxic community members are NOT long standing or returning Halo players, they are Free-to-Play Fortnite and COD Warzone players that have very little or no understanding of game development and how things take time to fix because they only started gaming at the start of the pandemic. They believe they are extremely entitled and demand developers to drop their families, holidays and priorities for their own toxic self.
In Halo, it had banter but never the toxicity that it has today. I was always humbled to be apart of the Halo community but now I just feel shame being in the same lobby and forums as these people.
They don’t, and you don’t deserve it either. But it’s a community primarily filled with 13-25 year old single basement dwelling gamers so I can’t exactly expect much from them.
Honestly just really happy to see other trans people in the community always brightens my day to see I’m not alone
We’re all over the place! It’s good to be visible sometimes, terrible other times. But I’m an ex professional gamer who was openly trans in another scene and, it was hard, but very worthwhile.
What makes Halo’s community different is the divide that 343 caused. Now we have a “civil war” kind of dynamic where some players like the classic games and others like the modern games, and both sides have deep disrespect for the other for the most part.
It also comes from the fact that Halo’s fanbase is extremely diverse. You have six year olds playing online against adults; so you have generational gaps that make people have conflict where they don’t like having squeakers with bad mics while the younger kids likely don’t like the fact that Halo isn’t going to add a Battle Royale any time soon.
always brightens my day to see I’m not alone