Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
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> Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
Maybe they are trying o get ride of him, because they know he is dangerous and broken.
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> > Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
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Well you are buying into ONI’s propaganda a bit now aren’t you? We have just been shown he obviously is not broken
They are trying to replace him. This was hinted at in the Halo 4 Prologue. Most likely because they can not control Spartan IIs whereas Spartan IVs are under ONI’s thumb.
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> Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
story is not over yet.
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> > > Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
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You are wrong, this is not ONI propaganda it is Del Rio’s words, a man who is attacking ONI. Chief isn’t broken btw
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> They are trying to replace him. This was hinted at in the Halo 4 Prologue. Most likely because they can not control Spartan IIs whereas Spartan IVs are under ONI’s thumb.
You are very confused: the interrogator in the Prologue was NOT ONI. ONI can control the SII but they don’t control the SIV as they are under the Spartan Branch.
If Locke is going after Chief it may be for reasons that we haven’t find out yet.
Because he’s gone rogue. Simple as that, really.
When your single most powerful and idealized asset takes off to do his own thing instead of following commands, you’re going to want to track him down.
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Maybe, but the negative spin they put on the whole thing is rather excessive. I’m sort of curious why Osman is allowing all of the ONI craziness. I’m thinking they may have caught wind of Chief’s “modification” by Librarian and want him as a specimen, a leg up on any other composers. Even if they were trying to keep the “secret” of the S2s creation, all the methods they are using seem like overkill. Not to mention, why send Ben on a glorification campaign, and then smack down Chief’s image when Ben leaked everything. ONI would have taken a hit, but the truth, even before Ben dug deeper, would have made Chief even more of a hero in some ways.
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> Wit all the marketing for the game, ONI is targeting Chief as a traitor, yet this seems bizarre. In episode 11 of Hunt The Truth, Ben saw a video of the attack ob Biko which showed Chief killing members of the Sapient Sunrise. Ben discovered this on an ONI relay in their abandoned facility on Bliss. If they know Chief is innocent, why are they targeting him, and allowing his name/image to be ruined to false information? This seems strange to me, unless he found out something about them and is revolting against them, why are they going after him?
I’m sure all will be answered next week now the suspense is literally killing me…My heart…
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Maybe their original plan was to have this glorification campaign to keep people in the dark about Master Chief’s rogue-ness, then Locke brings Chief back/kills him, then they get Locke or someone to pose as the master Chief from then onwards, with the public under the illusion that he is their saviour? But hey now that plan has gone down the toilet, so it’s time for plan B
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That’s a good point, I didn’t think to see it that way. Makes sense that if FERO worked that out, the biggest way to blow it all up in ONI’s face would be to make Chief out to be rogue and out of control
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Why would Locke kill him? Locke in nightfall gives the zealot with a bio weapon a chance sure Locke attacks him but that was to disarm him. Locke has shown he’s willing to hear people out. He’s not a shoot first ask questions later guy like John. Besides Lockes biography says he has problems with some of the things the organization he works for dose things so he dosent agree with everything ONI dose.
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I dont get where people get Locke is the bad guy here nightfall clearly showed he is willing to hear people out. For example this scene in the MCC. “If he has left the fold he has his reasons.” “I’m sure he does Arbiter and i intend to find out what they are.” Again showing he will hear what somebody has to say before making a judgement.
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I’m assuming it’s because of the marketing stating that either John or Locke is the traitor (which doesn’t necessarily mean ‘bad guy’) and many will then automatically rule out John. To be honest, I’m going to be very surprised if any of them turns out to be the bad guy. If there is a conflict between John (perhaps pluss Blue Team) and Locke’s team, It’s probably going to be because of a misunderstanding or because John makes a ‘the end justifies the means’ type of decision that ends up harming humans.
Considering that Thel is assisting Locke and Locke’s team is made up of (presumably) Buck and Tanaka, it’s probably going to turn out just fine in the end.
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I agree. I dont think Locke is being told the full truth about why the MC has gone off on his own. Im hoping we have the halo 2 story. MC as him self and Locke=Arbiter. Lots of people fell this way I think.
ONI’s been trying to find a reason to break the Outer Colonies for decades. His going rogue and starting riots might just be their excuse to start up the civil war again and finally crush the Insurrectionists. Remember, ONI kind of thinks their own top right now so starting the Insurrection back up is nothing in their minds. All they have to do is keep his broken-soldier image, capture/pacify him until they’re finished with the Outer Colonies.
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> ONI’s been trying to find a reason to break the Outer Colonies for decades. His going rogue and starting riots might just be their excuse to start up the civil war again and finally crush the Insurrectionists. Remember, ONI kind of thinks their own top right now so starting the Insurrection back up is nothing in their minds. All they have to do is keep his broken-soldier image, capture/pacify him until they’re finished with the Outer Colonies.
However Thel’s line from the MCC trailer seemed to tell that humanity/SOS needed John to come back to stop an enemy only he could stop.
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> ONI’s been trying to find a reason to break the Outer Colonies for decades. His going rogue and starting riots might just be their excuse to start up the civil war again and finally crush the Insurrectionists. Remember, ONI kind of thinks their own top right now so starting the Insurrection back up is nothing in their minds. All they have to do is keep his broken-soldier image, capture/pacify him until they’re finished with the Outer Colonies.
Honestly I feel like you’d want S-II’s to fight innies more than S-IV’s. Less chance of traitors and its what the II’s were meant for all along.
Not to mention Escalation already established the innies were already up to no good.
It’s because, it’s the sun has risen on another day for humanity, because we all didn’t die in a fiery cataclysm of covenant or the halos firing, ONI for the first time in a long time has to think about the long term game.
basically they are purging the old guard and going with a new one, that THEY control. It started with pretty much anything detailing the Spartan project, anyone they couldn’t get to play ball has been pretty much fired, and/or discredited.
Dr. Halsey being blamed and having this all hung on her head was the first clue to it, that they are trying to purge culpability and hang everything on someone. They were going to hold Halsey accountable for all of it, including the things she DIDN’T do, the Spartan III program for instance. Now she is gone, they don’t have a body to put up in front of a court and scape goat.
Now they are trying to hang it on the chief, but really Spartan IIs at large. WHY? Because if you remember Spartans are loyal to Halsey above all else, this has been firmly established time and time again, They will do ANYTHING for Halsey, and now Halsey is supposedly part of the Covenant Remanent, which means the Spartan IIs are a potential liability. If Halsey puts the call out, they will come to her aid.
So they are removing the Spartan IIs, but right now they are viewed as Super Heros, miracle makers, etc. Their credibility is so shiny that ONI suddenly saying “Ok all Spartan IIs are removed from service” would cause confusion, and people would start to ask questions.
So what they are doing is they are trying to deconstruct the legendary status of the Spartan IIs in such a way that ONI calling for their ‘retirement’ will put them in a positive light of much like recalling defective hardware, so they can paint themselves as being responsible and taking the poor damaged Spartan IIs off the line and getting them the treatment they need.
Chief is legendary among the legendary, mythical, in his case, he needs to be deconstructed differently, more personally. By casting him as a traitor, ONI can then move forward, because then they can say, well what caused his traitorous tendencies, what drove him to that act. They can then bring in the fact that he’s damaged, he’s screwed up in the head, and that really ALL Spartan IIs are, and therefore should be taken out of service.
Because ONI considers them to just be military hardware as far as they are concerned. and one the UEG and the people are on board with that belief, they can then retire the Spartan IIs, and keep the Spartan IVs, who are potentially ALL ONI trained and operated. Even Spartan IIIs won’t be probably allowed because they were trained by Spartan IIs and were around that brotherhood.
ONI sees the Spartan IVs as THEIR Spartans, and the only ones they will trust. Hell, here’s something that will really get you thinking. Since the details of the Spartan IV augmentation process is still not really known in the canon, who’s to say that ONI didn’t add some kind of ‘Loyalty’, Directive 4 style of addition into the neural implants. Something that makes ANY Spartan IV follow the orders of any ONI personnel, or at the very least high ranking ONI personnel.
This would explain why Palmer obeyed the orders without question, and more over why Palmer in general rubs people the wrong way with her personality, she’s seems TOO militant, too gung ho for things, and simply doesn’t question, leading people to think she’s arrogant and/or foolish/naive. What if it’s not really her, and could be this hypothetical “Loyalty” implant.
It would certainly explain alot of things, and of course because of the sheer criminal and evilness of such a thing, of course it would be kept HIGHLY Classified.
-Ex