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> > > As one of the “old timers” around here (the only launch I missed was CE) I can 100% tell you it’s nostalgia being reluctant to change. The fan base whined about sprint and other mods in Reach. The fact of the matter is that arena shooters like Halo, Quake, Doom, etc are not what the majority of gamers want (hardcore, casual, or otherwise). The FPS landscape is changing and the people that knock the multiplayer just want Halo to remain in the H:CE-H3 gameplay. The series would be more irrelevant than it is now.
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> > > The plot is another story. It was EXTREMELY heavy on exposition and characters that we’ve never seen in games before. The player was almost required to have read books and comics to understand what was really going on. Another error on 343i’s part was that strange and misleading ad campaign. It portrayed this rogue Master Chief that was against the UNSC and an lifeless Spartan Locke hunting him because Chief was a traitor or Locke was just envious. Turned out Chief wasn’t really rogue… he was just going after Cortana… again. Locke was never even against Chief.
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> > > Halo 4 set up this really human Chief that players clicked with more than ever and then they sideline him for some new Spartan that you only have ANY knowledge of if you’ve read books, comics, and saw films. It was bizarre and jarring. I think if 343i had not gone with the heavy reliance on other mediums Halo 5 would have been well received and adored by the community.
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> > > Personally, I loved it. I’m a lore geek. I’ve read almost every book and things like Vale explaining how she can understand alien languages really floats my boat. But I also 100% think the haters are justified and 343i needs to really make up for what Halo 5 was. People like me are in the minority and they SHOULD NOT be making games for me.
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> > Why isn’t COD irrelevant?
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> COD is the game that made the big innovations in shooters. They’ve gone free to play and hold seasonal events. Halo just started doing that in the past couple years.
Halo was the series that set that standard. Cod is the same every year. When it tried to be different, it failed. Free to play isn’t the reason why cod is successful.
I grew up playing the very first Halo. Back then, it was all about campaigns and playing with your friends passing every mission together. As games started moving towards more multiplayer focus, the story line began to lose its touch. When I first played Halo 5, I loved the multiplayer and gameplay. Just didn’t like the story line and I also didn’t like that we didn’t played as master chief a lot during the story mode. In Halo 2 you get to play as Arbiter, but only for a few campaigns not most of the campaigns. So if anything, if you compare halo 1 and halo 2 story vs halo 5, you will see a huge difference. You will be able to follow along with the story and find it interesting vs Halo 5 being so scattered and hard to follow with what’s happening if you’re new to halo
Honestly your only seeing a snapshot of the most diehard fans. Diehard fans of anything, whether it’s a movie, book, or video game. Always prefer the originals and the nostalgic value they hold onto. Casual gamers that make up the vast majority of the people playing. Do not care to take the time out of thier day to hop online and cry, or idealize, a game on this website or others. This game if 5 years old and most of the Casuals have moved on to the latest thing. Halo 5 still has a healthy population but small enough that I can recognize quite a few of them. And I’m yet to recognize a player I’ve played on here who’s commenting either way.
That said I’m under the impression that even if 343 is dumb enough to make a retro halo, something the millions of casual gamers I aforementioned will not except. This small crowd of a few thousand tops, who have been very vocal about retro halo, would find a way to hate that game too and bash 343. Simply because on a psychological level a new retro halo wouldnt hold the same nostalgic value as bungie’s halo. And while were on the subject of bungie, what 343 is doing today is a hell of a lot more fun, and way more cheaper, than what bungie has been doing since reach.
Halo 5 marketing was a lie. The campaign had you play as Chief for 3 levels. Removed split screen. Halo 4 and 5 changed things that didn’t need changing, like many sound designs and soundtracks are much worse then bungie halo. Advanced movement was also not well received and that’s why MCC has a higher population then Halo 5.
I’m my experience the story isn’t as good as the other to many holes and personally the matchmaking system it’s really awful not the playlist or the games the way they put the teams sometimes ir border the ridicule like it puts all the high ranked players in one team and low ranked players in yours there are a lot of quitter the radar is really lame a joke sometimes the super fiesta weapons selection it’s also a joke while the other team gets heavy weapons and mythic weapons hoy date with pistols and plasma rifles you gotta scavenging weapons as you play I have played since halo 3 online and in that, halo 2 and halo reach never experienced this unfair and uneven matches I mean of course you can’t win all the matches but here at 5 is like you win one game lose 20 then win another one
Not having splitscreen is one of my biggest complaints for halo 5. Me and my buddy have beat every other halo campaign splitscreen, and it was really disappointing when we finished halo 4 and couldn’t move on to halo 5. My other complaints for the story mirror everyone else opinions: false marketing, playing as chief for only 3 missions, cortana as a villain… everything you’ve heard before.
I also find that for me at least spartan abilities create a less enjoyable multiplayer experience. Not because I hate sprint or anything like that, but because there are now so many movement options it makes the game way more competitive as those movement options open all new sorts of skill gaps. If competitive multiplayer is your cup of tea this is awesome. Personally I don’t like having to be sweaty to get a kill in a social playlist. People are even sweaty in infection. Though maybe I have a hard time in the multiplayer because I’m more accustomed to the titles in mcc. If I had stuck with halo 5 longer I think I would’ve enjoyed the spartan abilities more, but from my experience they are less fun to play with.
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> (also the fact it took 2+ year to add good social playlists and even then some consider it lack luster)
When asked, “why is Halo 5 so disliked”, people will tend to talk about the story and stuff, or generally list their own complaints with it. But actually, I think it was exactly what you said here. No good social playlists at the start, and most of the playerbase was gone by the time they fixed it. In fact, I was about to give up on it too, if it wasn’t for firefight getting added. Even with a bad story, I think Halo 5 would have had a much more positive reception if it was just complete when it launched.
I also don’t understand why it’s so hated! Yes the story was lacking in multiple areas, and some of the characters were just there for gameplay reasons, but it’s a really fun campaign, so I can’t understand the hate.
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> I also don’t understand why it’s so hated! Yes the story was lacking in multiple areas, and some of the characters were just there for gameplay reasons, but it’s a really fun campaign, so I can’t understand the hate.
it’s not a good Halo game, it’s gets flak for just being a bad Halo game with no redeeming qualities other than being ultra sweaty to the point of fun not really existing outside of customs.
Because Halo attracts the worst kind of gamer: Purists.
a purist is someone who just hates change and wants things to always be like their favourite game. Trouble is loads of these people are just purists for Bungie era Halo. These people are either blinded by nostaliga or really annoyed at the changes Halo has had to it in the past few years.
I can understand some of their frustrations to an extent but quite frankly Halo 4 and 5 are perfectly servicable games with good multiplayer components and pretty good gameplay all things considered. Halo 5 was a low for the series storywise but I really dont care about that.
Then you have the people who nitpick literally insignificant things such as the art direction. Granted some things dont always stick but some stuff does stick. Im quite fond of a few of the armors, though most notably Helioskrill and Noble armors.
People who have complaints about the art style are understandable but when they act like it killed the franchise and danced on its grave… they’re being dumb.
The newer games have their flaws but honestly you mean to tell me the OT isnt a flawed mess of junk pretending to be a game? Hah, as if. Halo CE and 2 are held together by string and some gum.
Halo 5 is hated because it isn’t Halo 3 the “perfect Halo”. Halo 3 was hated when it first came out as well. In fact almost every Halo was widely hated when it first came out and as newer games came out people began to look back and discover they actually liked it. Except for Halo 4 of course.
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> Halo 5 is hated because it isn’t Halo 3 the “perfect Halo”. Halo 3 was hated when it first came out as well. In fact almost every Halo was widely hated when it first came out and as newer games came out people began to look back and discover they actually liked it. Except for Halo 4 of course.
I think you missed the point, if you took away the Halo 3 graphics you would still be able to tell it’s a Halo game. You can’t do the same for Halo 5 and such old school fans will never accept it.
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> > Halo 5 is hated because it isn’t Halo 3 the “perfect Halo”. Halo 3 was hated when it first came out as well. In fact almost every Halo was widely hated when it first came out and as newer games came out people began to look back and discover they actually liked it. Except for Halo 4 of course.
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> I think you missed the point, if you took away the Halo 3 graphics you would still be able to tell it’s a Halo game. You can’t do the same for Halo 5 and such old school fans will never accept it.
You didn’t understand my post either. Also when you look up the definition for graphics you find “visual images produced by computer processing”. So if you take away graphics of course you won’t be able to tell whether it is Halo or not because you will only see a black screen. Tell me what other game fps franchises are recognized at the same game after existing for 19 years.
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> > > Halo 5 is hated because it isn’t Halo 3 the “perfect Halo”. Halo 3 was hated when it first came out as well. In fact almost every Halo was widely hated when it first came out and as newer games came out people began to look back and discover they actually liked it. Except for Halo 4 of course.
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> > I think you missed the point, if you took away the Halo 3 graphics you would still be able to tell it’s a Halo game. You can’t do the same for Halo 5 and such old school fans will never accept it.
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> You didn’t understand my post either. Also when you look up the definition for graphics you find “visual images produced by computer processing”. So if you take away graphics of course you won’t be able to tell whether it is Halo or not because you will only see a black screen. Tell me what other game fps franchises are recognized at the same game after existing for 19 years.
Gameplay?
Like slow paced arena shooter? also stop being petty about the graphics point you know what I mean and just can’t refute it.
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> > > > Halo 5 is hated because it isn’t Halo 3 the “perfect Halo”. Halo 3 was hated when it first came out as well. In fact almost every Halo was widely hated when it first came out and as newer games came out people began to look back and discover they actually liked it. Except for Halo 4 of course.
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> > > I think you missed the point, if you took away the Halo 3 graphics you would still be able to tell it’s a Halo game. You can’t do the same for Halo 5 and such old school fans will never accept it.
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> > You didn’t understand my post either. Also when you look up the definition for graphics you find “visual images produced by computer processing”. So if you take away graphics of course you won’t be able to tell whether it is Halo or not because you will only see a black screen. Tell me what other game fps franchises are recognized at the same game after existing for 19 years.
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> Gameplay?
> Like slow paced arena shooter? also stop being petty about the graphics point you know what I mean and just can’t refute it.
If the graphics were changed and a player could not tell Halo 5 was a Halo game they have not played much Halo at all. One should be able to recognize the needler, plasma pistol, H2BR, brute plasma rifle, beam rifle, and maybe even assault rifle. Not to mention the HUD, power ups, and even spartan colors.
The one thing that I’ve noticed about the games multi-player is that It’s a game of diminishing returns. Tons of threads pop out about it. Players that like the arena and ranking up basically reach their wall extremely fast. Then you watch yourself climb up slightly and plummet down right after. The sense of progression stalls, the matches become unbalanced to the point where when you thought you’d just play for the love of the game…you realize you were only fooling yourself into believing that hour of frustration served as any type of fun.
Aside from that of course there’s the whole ordeal with the story, chiefs role, the playlists available at launch, weapon tuning havoc, etc etc.
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> I’m curious, because I grew up on Halo 4 and 5 because my parents never got the older consoles and games. I’ve gotten into the older games through MCC, but I still don’t understand, why is Halo 5 so disliked within the Halo community? I feel like it’s more than just “sprint”.
Because it is more than just sprint my guy. The campaign was the worst in the whole franchise. The multiplayer was amazing but strayed away from the OG game style. Also the harsh difference in art style pissed people off. I personally love Halo 5, not Halo 4 though, even though Halo 4 had a GREAT campaign.
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> Because Halo attracts the worst kind of gamer: Purists.
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> a purist is someone who just hates change and wants things to always be like their favourite game. Trouble is loads of these people are just purists for Bungie era Halo. These people are either blinded by nostaliga or really annoyed at the changes Halo has had to it in the past few years.
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> I can understand some of their frustrations to an extent but quite frankly Halo 4 and 5 are perfectly servicable games with good multiplayer components and pretty good gameplay all things considered. Halo 5 was a low for the series storywise but I really dont care about that.
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> Then you have the people who nitpick literally insignificant things such as the art direction. Granted some things dont always stick but some stuff does stick. Im quite fond of a few of the armors, though most notably Helioskrill and Noble armors.
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> People who have complaints about the art style are understandable but when they act like it killed the franchise and danced on its grave… they’re being dumb.
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> The newer games have their flaws but honestly you mean to tell me the OT isnt a flawed mess of junk pretending to be a game? Hah, as if. Halo CE and 2 are held together by string and some gum.
I agree with this. I do love the Bungie era games (I grew up with them) but I love Halo 5. It’s a great game if you don’t think about the other Halos.