why is everyone complaining

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I truly don’t know why everyone is posting about how 343i is not listening to us and everything. They have been listening and here is why I think that

The pros

They brought back the br. √

They are making maps from scratch. √

They said they are thinking about the competitive community and the casual community. √

There adding new things and changing the game a little just like every halo. √

they have confirmed there is no bloom. But slight recoil which won’t hurt the game. √

There will be forge. Which I’m sure will be amazing. √

So truthfully all those things there seem to make the game really good in my opinion.

The cons

Well sprints back. Along with maybe some other AA’s.

And there might not be truskill ranks.

Those are the only downsides I see to the game so far. But instead of trolling the forums and raging about things we don’t know yet. How about we wait and see what 343i has in store for us.

Let me know what you think everyone whether you think I’m right or wrong? Also let me know what you guys want adding into the game?

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I agree, there’s a lot of complaining when it’s not even worth it, especially at this point…

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Welcome to the Halo community. Complaining is what we do. There have been Halo fanboys raging over one trivial aspect of the game or another, proclaiming that to be the sole feature that makes Halo Halo since they announced hijacking and vehicle boost.

And their arguments never change.

Back then it was “it makes the game easier and slows down gameplay?” Sound familiar? It’s the all purpose battle cry for the whiney -Yoink-.

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This is quite true. Everyone is complaining about a game we havent even played yet, and barely seen any footage of.

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The reason why so many people are complaining is because a lot of them don’t like change and they just want the same thing over and over again. Like I love how people will accept a new iPhone or iPad over some gameplay that we haven’t even came played yet. :slight_smile:

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Everyone is just to attached to halo 3 i believe that we should give 343 a chance and just let go

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Because people don’t want to see another Reach.

People love Halo.

Why aren’t more people complaining? Probably because they don’t care.

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> Everyone is just to attached to halo 3 i believe that we should give 343 a chance and just let go

I’m attached to Halo2. Everyone is NOT attached to Halo 3.

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It’s called giving feedback, the process works like this:

  1. Game developer announces something.
  2. Community reads text out on context and complains.
  3. Game developer clarifies on the original post and how it doesn’t mean what the community thinks it means.
  4. Rinse and repeat steps 1-3 until launch day.
  5. Community buys game, everyone is happy.
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> I truly don’t know why everyone is posting about how 343i is not listening to us and everything. They have been listening and here is why I think that
>
> The pros
>
> They brought back the br. √
>
> They are making maps from scratch. √
>
> They said they are thinking about the competitive community and the casual community. √
>
> There adding new things and changing the game a little just like every halo. √
>
> they have confirmed there is no bloom. But slight recoil which won’t hurt the game. √
>
> There will be forge. Which I’m sure will be amazing. √
>
> So truthfully all those things there seem to make the game really good in my opinion.
>
>
> The cons
>
> <mark>Well sprints back</mark>. Along with maybe some other AA’s.
>
> And there might not be truskill ranks.
>
> Those are the only downsides I see to the game so far. But instead of trolling the forums and raging about things we don’t know yet. How about we wait and see what 343i has in store for us.
>
>
> Let me know what you think everyone whether you think I’m right or wrong? Also let me know what you guys want adding into the game?

I agreed with everything you said until you said that sprint was a con, that’s an opinion not a fact.

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> > I truly don’t know why everyone is posting about how 343i is not listening to us and everything. They have been listening and here is why I think that
> >
> > The pros
> >
> > They brought back the br. √
> >
> > They are making maps from scratch. √
> >
> > They said they are thinking about the competitive community and the casual community. √
> >
> > There adding new things and changing the game a little just like every halo. √
> >
> > they have confirmed there is no bloom. But slight recoil which won’t hurt the game. √
> >
> > There will be forge. Which I’m sure will be amazing. √
> >
> > So truthfully all those things there seem to make the game really good in my opinion.
> >
> >
> > The cons
> >
> > <mark>Well sprints back</mark>. Along with maybe some other AA’s.
> >
> > And there might not be truskill ranks.
> >
> > Those are the only downsides I see to the game so far. But instead of trolling the forums and raging about things we don’t know yet. How about we wait and see what 343i has in store for us.
> >
> >
> > Let me know what you think everyone whether you think I’m right or wrong? Also let me know what you guys want adding into the game?
>
> I agreed with everything you said until you said that sprint was a con, that’s an opinion not a fact.

Same here, I agree that everybody is just so stubborn. But those cons aren’t even cons, if you don’t like sprint it’s your opinion, many people actually like it. I haven’t heard anything about other AA’s, so, yeah… And there will be a good ranking system, 343i knows that Halo is a big deal for MLG. We’ll just have to wait untill there is more information, untill then there isn’t anything to complain about yet, because there is barely anything confirmed.

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Glaring flaws with Halo 3 weren’t ignored just because Reach was a year away. I will continue to complain and I will continue to doubt Halo 4.

This will change when they either address Reach’s crippling flaws, or physically ensure us that they learned a massive deal about how they treated Reach and their plan not to screw up like that again.

The TU/Super Slayer/Squad Battle debacle being the most recent example.

Like I stated in another thread, it will take more than the BR to gain my trust. I got Reach with the impression it would be supported for 3 years (like Halo 2 and 3 were). I got one year. Year two is a painful limp. I don’t intend to make that mistake again.

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> The reason why so many people are complaining is because a <mark>lot of them don’t like change</mark> and they just want the same thing over and over again. Like I love how people will accept a new iPhone or iPad over some gameplay that we haven’t even came played yet. :slight_smile:

Ugh please don’t go with this again…

There are many things we want to change, but many things we think are perfect the way it is.

Things that can Change: Forge, Firefight, Theatre, Weapons, Vehicles, Graphics, Gametypes, Campaign (Obviously), Kill times, Armour Customization… The list goes on.

But OP, you did forget to mention one other thing on the con list: They’re not using the same Team Slayer scoring system of 1-50. Any reason why you think something that has been perfect for 11 years needs to change?

“What ain’t broke, don’t fix”

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> > The reason why so many people are complaining is because a <mark>lot of them don’t like change</mark> and they just want the same thing over and over again. Like I love how people will accept a new iPhone or iPad over some gameplay that we haven’t even came played yet. :slight_smile:
>
> Ugh please don’t go with this again…
>
> There are many things we want to change, but many things we think are perfect the way it is.
>
> Things that can Change: Forge, Firefight, Theatre, Weapons, Vehicles, Graphics, Gametypes, Campaign (Obviously), Kill times, Armour Customization… The list goes on.
>
> But OP, you did forget to mention one other thing on the con list: <mark>They’re not using the same Team Slayer scoring system of 1-50</mark>. Any reason why you think something that has been perfect for 11 years needs to change?
>
> “What ain’t broke, don’t fix”

Exactly, that’s the only thing I don’t like till now. I don’t care if it’s just one single game type, but I definitly don’t want the 1-50 scoring system gone. You should get one point for a kill, not 10 points for a kill, 5 points headshot, 5 points assist. In that way the team with less kills can win if they get many assists or other random medals…

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> I agree, there’s a lot of complaining when it’s not even worth it, especially at this point…

You know there are title updates right? Also, they can update the game whenever they want.

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There is a lot of complaining, because we all can. Its what drives a community is complaining, taking it away would be like taking water away from a tree.

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Its is because the community is worried, just like any other of the Halo games. We worry, because we want it to be a great game. Honestly though, it seems as if they have made great progress and I’m excited to see the final result.

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> > > The reason why so many people are complaining is because a <mark>lot of them don’t like change</mark> and they just want the same thing over and over again. Like I love how people will accept a new iPhone or iPad over some gameplay that we haven’t even came played yet. :slight_smile:
> >
> > Ugh please don’t go with this again…
> >
> > There are many things we want to change, but many things we think are perfect the way it is.
> >
> > Things that can Change: Forge, Firefight, Theatre, Weapons, Vehicles, Graphics, Gametypes, Campaign (Obviously), Kill times, Armour Customization… The list goes on.
> >
> > But OP, you did forget to mention one other thing on the con list: <mark>They’re not using the same Team Slayer scoring system of 1-50</mark>. Any reason why you think something that has been perfect for 11 years needs to change?
> >
> > “What ain’t broke, don’t fix”
>
> Exactly, that’s the only thing I don’t like till now. I don’t care if it’s just one single game type, but I definitly don’t want the 1-50 scoring system gone. You should get one point for a kill, not 10 points for a kill, 5 points headshot, 5 points assist. In that way the team with less kills can win if they get many assists or other random medals…

From what i understand the traditional “1 kill = 1 point, first to 50 wins” slayer is still in the game. I read somewhere (i think from Frank) that what we saw is not the final scoring system and was 343 testing out something for a new game type… or something like that.

And actually, if your team lone-wolfs it in a game mode designed around teamwork and actually let the other team out-score you despite having less kills, then frankly you deserve to lose, because you were ignoring the game mode. It would basically be the same thing as ignoring the flag in a CTF match or the skulls in Headhunter. You ignored the objective and went for pure kills. sure, you might be “better” on an individual level, but your inability to work as a team is what made you loose.

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I don’t like reach either I want halo to be halo. If halo 4 turned out like reach I would be so disappointed and would then complain toward halo 5. But lets just see what 343i has in store.

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> Welcome to the Halo community. Complaining is what we do. There have been Halo fanboys raging over one trivial aspect of the game or another, proclaiming that to be the sole feature that makes Halo Halo since they announced hijacking and vehicle boost.
>
> And their arguments never change.
>
> Back then it was “it makes the game easier and slows down gameplay?” Sound familiar? It’s the all purpose battle cry for the whiney -Yoink!-.

Have you ever thought of reading posts that are longer than one or two paragraphs? You see, you will always see that argument as baseless and one dimensional if you don’t understand the reasoning behind it. And the reasoning, it definitely won’t fit into the three sentences of that one paragraph long post.

Maybe next time when you come over a long wall of text that looks nicely paragraphed, instead of scrolling over it you might actually read it. You’d be in luck was the post actually concerning the negatives of sprint.

If you want to take a bit of your time to have a deeper look at the subject at hand, you may very well read through my post history. It should have 4-5 good posts explaining what exactly is wrong with sprint. It’s a real shame that our post histories aren’t longer than 100 posts, otherwise I could’ve shown posts from the time when sprint wasn’t the debate of the masses and was actually much deeper.

But, in the end, I can’t make a post without answering to your problem. How sprint is implemented in Reach is bad, there is no doubt when it comes to that. Cheap double melee rushes, running away from bad positioning, maps unsuitable for sprint and so on. That type of implementation will never pull it through. But if it were to be implemented correctly, if limitations were set to stop players from rushing for melees and sprinting away at low shields, sprint would be pointless.

The main problem of sprint, even a “perfect” sprint is that it adds absolutely nothing positive to gameplay. Name one single aspect of sprint that improves gameplay and can’t be achieved by making the default movement of players higher. I have asked that from quite a few people, there was only one whom I got a good response from. Even that one aspect of sprint was not enough to counter the positive effects fast movement speeds have to gameplay.

So there you have the real reasoning for why sprint is bad. It’s current implementation impacts gameplay negatively and even the “perfect” implementation lacks any significant positives. Besides, faster movement speed does everything you want from sprint, it allows you to move between places faster. Wasn’t that the original reason for why sprint was wanted?