Why is Analyze Exclusive to Kinect?

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I’m going to dissect this, as it’s a fairly good example of what all annoys me.

> Its not that I don’t think I have enough. Its the fact that they made it Kinect only.

This statement contradicts itself. Essentialy, it’s saying “It shouldn’t be Kinect only, I want to use it too.” You want more. It’s not enough that you have an HD version of the original, the updated new version, the terminals with a new storyline and a plethora of other new features, you can’t have THIS feature, and you want it so irrationally bad.

> Do you realize that this will split the community? Kinect and Non-Kinect.

Oh, because we’re not divided already? You act like we’re some big happy family in danger by this new sibling being brought home. We bicker over Halo Legends as Canon vs Halo Legends as Non-canon, Books canon vs Games canon, Halo Reach a success vs Halo Reach a failure, etc etc. And yet, the community gets along just fine. Only with this, hopefully an actual example of the feature becoming stale and boring will drill it through people’s thick skulls that it’s nothing special.

> And wheres the fun in reading online?

Because somehow, your TV magically changes plain text into a fun-filled, euphoric ordeal. Do you really think it’s going to be any different? The “fun” will be collecting the items, but I’m guessing that by Two Betrayals it’ll become more of a chore than a grin-inducing privilege. Not to mention that online it’ll likely be more complete, relevant and quicker to access - as I’ve said dozens of times before.

> You don’t get a 3d model of the object rotating in front of you while you read

Right, because we have no idea what those creatures and items look like. A 3D model is going to change everything, now that you’re able to finally see the buckles on an Elite’s chestpiece without him punching you in the face. Truly! This is what will define the Halo Universe, these “3D models.”

> and you really think they copied and pasted everything from online?

Parts of it, yes. It will be information that we know. The other parts? I will copy them to Halopedia myself if it means people will stop complaining.

> Besides, you can make it a challenge for yourself to find and scan everything in the game.

Right, a challenge that can only be completed once, and is basically pointless. There’s no challenge at all; you kill an enemy, if it’s “new” you scan it. And never again. Woooo…

> and you can feel like your a true Halo fan when you have your own Library of the main characters of Halo.

Because this is what’s going to define the true fans from the scrubs, right? Not the Flaming Helmets (either color,) Legendary packs or countless other exclusives. No, this feature set the bar, right?

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Wow… I like how you took everything I said, and made it seem like Im a greedy 5 year old who likes to read picture books instead of reading. Maybe I exaterated on some things, but do you at least get the baseline on why some people are upset? Some people aren’t free to spend hundreds of dollars as they please, and can’t get the features unlocked by the Kinect. I don’t care if you think the feature is dumb. Some would really enjoy it, like me.

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Me:Watch out a grenade… OH Yoink!

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> Some people aren’t free to spend hundreds of dollars as they please, and can’t get the features unlocked by the Kinect.

So? Those same people can’t enjoy the features unlocked by iPads and iPhones. Should we put in a futile effort to bring everything those platforms offer to their aged iPods? No, because exclusion is just a natural function of economics. You may want something, but that fact alone doesn’t demand that a company bend over backwards to provide everything to you that new paying customers get with their added investments.

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This is even more ridiculous than people who complained that it was unfair that Legendary buyers got flames and others who didn’t buy them didn’t(and got them anyway later on.)

You pay more, you get more. Even then, it’s not much. Just a nifty little tool who’s amusement will run out after the first play-through. Hell, all of the information will be put on Halopedia in a week most likely.

Now I like to complain, but this is ridiculous.

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you can with your controller i think.

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> Wow… I like how you took everything I said, and made it seem like Im a greedy 5 year old who likes to read picture books instead of reading.

Well, that’s essentially what this is; an “interactive” picture book. You get a paragraph of info, statistics, and a rendered model that you can manipulate with your hands. Oh yeah, the model part requires Kinect, so there’s really no two ways around that.

> do you at least get the baseline on why some people are upset?

I fully understand why people are upset, and I think it to be a childish and ill-founded anger.

> Some people aren’t free to spend hundreds of dollars as they please, and can’t get the features unlocked by the Kinect.

I can’t drop money for a Windows Phone, should I gripe about ATLAS? I certainly can’t drop money for a Playstation 3, should I gripe about the content that is exclusive to that console on games such as Batman: Arkham Asylum and Soul Caliber 4? While they’re different games, it is the same concept. You people are getting upset about a function of marketing that has been around for decades, and has just now affected Halo. What’s more, you’re getting upset over so small a feature.

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> > > But the Limited Edition/DLC is only for people who have a Kinect, which is still stupid…
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> > Then it’s even better than a “Limited Edition.” Tell me, can you go out and buy a Legendary Flame Helmet? Can you find it on the Marketplace? You could pay $500, and still never receive it. With the Library, you are guaranteed to have access to this - yet again - minor feature when you gain access to a Kinect.
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> > Hell, if you guys want it THAT badly, then just borrow someone’s Kinect for the single day that it will likely take you to Analyze and view everything.
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> Best Buy has Legendary Editions for $50 now, just saying…

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> Its not that I don’t think I have enough. Its the fact that they made it Kinect only. Do you realize that this will split the community? Kinect and Non-Kinect.

In order to split the community, you must put them in a position in which they are not playing together. You are implying that whether a player has or doesn’t have Kinect prevents them from playing with one another. It does not.

Playlists split the community.

Having more than one relevant game with Matchmaking splits the community.

Analyze mode does NOT split the community.

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I am at the point where I would be willing to spend MS points to be able to use Analyze on a controller. Seriously, I have no intention of getting the Kinect, and this new feature wont change that. I do, however, feel like I am missing out on something. MS would make so much money if they made it paid DLC to be able to use this function on a controller; many more people would be willing to spend $15 on a cool new function than $100. They really should have thought this through.

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> Best Buy has Legendary Editions for $50 now, just saying…

And? That was a year ago. Plus I have the Legendary Edition already, I don’t need a cheaper one.

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> > Best Buy has Legendary Editions for $50 now, just saying…
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> And? That was a year ago. Plus I have the Legendary Edition already, I don’t need a cheaper one.

I’m just saying that you said “you could pay $500,” yet Bestbuy is selling it for $50…

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> I’m just saying that you said “you could pay $500,” yet Bestbuy is selling it for $50…

Except the Legendary Editions (both Halo 3 and Reach) were only $150, and that wasn’t my point. My point was that no matter how much money you spend, you will not be able to get the Legendary Flames.

Ever.

With this, you can.

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> > I’m just saying that you said “you could pay $500,” yet Bestbuy is selling it for $50…
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> Except the Legendary Editions (both Halo 3 and Reach) were only $150, and that wasn’t my point. My point was that no matter how much money you spend, you will not be able to get the Legendary Flames.
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> Ever.
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> With this, you can.

You will not be able to get the Legendary flames ever? Then why is Best Buy selling Halo Reach Legendary Edition NEW for $50?

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A game supporting Kinect needs to have a feature or two that are exclusive to Kinect and to the people who bought it. If Kinect didn’t change the gaming experience in any way for the user then why would someone go out of their way to get it. It’s all about incentive to buy, people need a reason to what to play their games through Kinect rather than regularly and exclusive features are one such reason.

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No way in hell am i wasting 200$ for a Kinect just to Analyse something in a game when you could get even more and accurate information for the Halo Wiki. Bungie wouldn’t try to rip its fans off like that, and we’re all use to pressing a button to reload. I don’t see the point in the reload option of Kinect.

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> You will not be able to get the Legendary flames ever? Then why is Best Buy selling Halo Reach Legendary Edition NEW for $50?

You know what I mean, kid. Unless you buy the Legendary Editions of Halo Reach (and they don’t just have stacks of them back in the store-room,) you will not be able to get the flame helmet. And once all the Legendary Editions are bought and all the codes used, there won’t be any more. The Kinect is a renewing product.

It’d be like waiting until the Kinect drops in price to get this stupid little feature.

> No way in hell am i wasting 200$ for a Kinect …Bungie wouldn’t try

Kinects are $150, come with an Xbox package, and it’s 343i and Microsoft making the call like this, not Bungie. And for the last time, it’s not screwing fans over. Quit being over-dramatic babies about this.

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I had a go on Kinect last night for the first time since I bought it (last year), I played Kinectimals. It’s actually quite good, I never really gave it a chance first time round, I just bought it because it was new. Now that I actually put a couple of hours into playing it I found it to be quite entertaining.

Next year when Halo 4 comes out you can be damn sure there will be much bigger features than this that will be Kinect exclusive. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were whole sections of the game you can only play with Kinect.

Also I’ll bet they release a Halo 4 themed 360 console with a Halo 4 themed Kinect.

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> A game supporting Kinect needs to have a feature or two that are exclusive to Kinect and to the people who bought it. If Kinect didn’t change the gaming experience in any way for the user then why would someone go out of their way to get it. It’s all about incentive to buy, people need a reason to what to play their games through Kinect rather than regularly and exclusive features are one such reason.

That’s exactly my point. Kinect functionality has been introduced to this game purely as a purchase incentive.

The Library feature doesn’t utilize Kinect in any real way that has meaning. It’s a feature that has been cooked up and Kinect is the entry price. Tell me, do you have to have Kinect to reload? No. Do you have to have Kinect to switch grenades? No. These features are possibe with the press of a button. But do you need Kinect scan something for the Library? Yes.

As you said ‘A game supporting Kinect needs to have a feature or two that are exclusive to Kinect and to the people who bought it.’ Instead of saying ‘A game supporting Kinect needs to have a feature or two that allow you to interact with the game in a way which a controller cannot’.

The fact that the Library is exclusive to Kinect is a cash grab.

Kinect isn’t being used to expand the experience of Halo, it’s being used to restrict it. I think you summed it up perfectly.

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> @Shadow
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> I like how you don’t PM me, because you know that when I prove who I am, it invalidates your argument.
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> Please explain what I’ve said that makes you think I don’t understand the development process, as I really don’t follow you. The likely outcome here is that it is you who doesn’t understand the development process. What with me having worked in the industry for several years and you merely being a fan. You choose what you want to believe, I believe in facts based on my own experiences with the company in question. Every single company that falls under the MGS umbrella will pitch every single game to Microsoft, they have a greenlighting procedure like every other publisher. Games don’t get made by Microsoft that haven’t been pitched to Microsoft. That’s just a fact.
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> And we’re not in agreement about this, your opinion is that a feature was removed from the standard game and had Kinect functionality added, I am of the opinion that a feature was added with the sole intention of supporting Kinect. You say a feature was removed, I say a feature was added. They are different stances.
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> Selecting a couple of sentences from my post out of context and removing everything that disagrees with you does not mean we agree.
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> The thing we agree on is that the intention was to make money, but that point is moot. Every single thing that Microsoft ever does is with the intention of making them more money. As a company listed on the stock market they are legally obliged to make the absolute maximum amount of money possible for their shareholders.

So you honestly think Sabre pitched this game to MGS? That’s what makes me think you aren’t a game developer.

And I don’t need to PM you. You can post your resume here. I’m sure your non-disclosure agreement doesn’t prevent you from listing what roles you have played on past games. As for your name, that’s not really important.

And we agree on the subject because there is no reason this is exclusive to Kinect other than a Kinect purchase incentive and it doesn’t really need to be tied to Kinect.

> I had a go on Kinect last night for the first time since I bought it (last year), I played Kinectimals. It’s actually quite good, I never really gave it a chance first time round, I just bought it because it was new. Now that I actually put a couple of hours into playing it I found it to be quite entertaining.
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> Next year when Halo 4 comes out you can be damn sure there will be much bigger features than this that will be Kinect exclusive. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were whole sections of the game you can only play with Kinect.
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> Also I’ll bet they release a Halo 4 themed 360 console with a Halo 4 themed Kinect.

If Halo 4 has Kinect features that were not possible or unrealistic with a controller that would be awesome! It would give me a reason to hook the kid’s Kinect up to the main XBOX/TV. If Halo 4 had ways to experience Halo that only Kinect could provide I’d be stoked. I can’t think of a lot of awesome ideas. I completely agree with you.

But what if 343 has entire modes or campaign sections blocked from users who didn’t have Kinect? What if these sections/modes didn’t utilize Kinect in any real meaningful way? What if you could only access them by saying a word and the Kinect picked it up?

I expect MS/343 to incentivize the Kinect by properly exploiting it. If they want people to buy Kinect they should add features that make people say ‘woah, look what you can do with this, I can’t wait to interact with this game’. Instead of what they are currently doing which is saying ‘there are features that are exclusive to Kinect that open up to Kinect owners when they say a single word to their Kinect.’ People aren’t getting the Library because Kinect allows them to experience it, they’re getting access to the Library just by having the Kinect plugged into their XBOX. At best, that hardly an incentive to own a Kinect and at worst it’s a restriction to people without it.