I had hoped they’d put this in because 343 had realised that air vehicles, especially the Ultra Banshee are broken and ruin Warzone. The trouble is its shots are far too slow, low damage and a banshee or wasp can easily dodge it.
So I am really do hope they add Ultra and Temple varients which are expressly built to wreck air vehicles. To the point where engaging one with an aircraft should be near suicidal. Bring a tank to kill it or just board it like a normal wraith.
Because it’s getting to a joke how broken air vehicles are in Warzone. I simply don’t get how a wasp costs the same as a ghost or a Banshee the same as a Scorpian. The air vehicle is just vastly better in every single way. You don’t get boarded, you don’t grt hit and youre so fast you can dominate the battle. Everything good at killing air vehicles is better at killing ground vehicles. It’s real easy to EMP and board a tank. Much harder with air vehicle.Its real easy to laser a tank…you get the idea. Especially those like the Ultra which can survive a direct hit from a tank.
While I disagree that air vehicles are broken or ruin warzone. Yeah they can be a force and difficult to take down, by the banshees can be boarded especially if you down them with plasma pistols, I do agree the AA wraith is disappointing when it comes to taking down air vehicles. I think banshees should have like a three second cool down between flips/tricks. Also yeah the AA wraith needs faster shots or at least have them track a bit better or have a longer lock on range. Maybe we will see a more powerful/useful variant some day. The AA wraith is pretty good for firefight though.
The Wasp is actually pretty weak to the AA Wraith due to it’s limited mobility. The only way a Wasp can reliably fight back is to be out of the Wraith’s lock on range to begin with.
The Banshee is the problem, since it can flip endlessly, and each flip cancels out nearly all tracking elements, making the AA Wraith near-useless. I don’t think even the Phaeton has that advantage with it’s “trans-dimensional teleporting”.
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> The Wasp is actually pretty weak to the AA Wraith due to it’s limited mobility. The only way a Wasp can reliably fight back is to be out of the Wraith’s lock on range to begin with.
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> The Banshee is the problem, since it can flip endlessly, and each flip cancels out nearly all tracking elements, making the AA Wraith near-useless. I don’t think even the Phaeton has that advantage with it’s “trans-dimensional teleporting”.
Agreed. That 24/7 flipping circus is more annoying than Robin.
Not really because as I mentioned, it’s really easier said than done to EMP and hijack. Whereas you can often easily hijack a scorpian or mantis. You’ve got to not get killed by the banshee, spend a level 3 req, hit the thing, hope it lands close enough to reach and then hijack it without being killed by the enemy team. If this is a second air vehicle…dead man walking.
Um, yes they are. If people are clocking 50 plus kills in a single match you know something is going seriously wrong. They just trap you in the base and spawn kill you. Until 343 introduces powerful AA weapons or boosts the REQ value of air vehicles then this will continue.
I personally just don’t understand how slow-moving, fluorescent green projectiles would ever be good for anti-aircraft purposes. It seemed stupid to me in Halo 3, and now that we officially are able to properly use it, it makes even less sense. Even using the plasma repeater in clusters would probably work better.
I’m still hoping that 343 could add the M808B2 ‘Sun Devil’ or some post-war, M820-based successor to the game. The four 40mm autocannons could probably tear aircraft to shreds, while being effective against infantry.
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> I personally just don’t understand how slow-moving, fluorescent green projectiles would ever be good for anti-aircraft purposes. It seemed stupid to me in Halo 3, and now that we officially are able to properly use it, it makes even less sense. Even using the plasma repeater in clusters would probably work better.
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> I’m still hoping that 343 could add the M808B2 ‘Sun Devil’ or some post-war, M820-based successor to the game. The four 40mm autocannons could probably tear aircraft to shreds, while being effective against infantry.
I find it absolutely irritatingly annoying how everyone on here is always competing to be right. Like for crying out loud just agree. You don’t need to say “I disagree but you’re right”
just admit it, OP has a point of which I perfectly understand and agree with.
Like common people, we aren’t all rocket scientists here. If you get what the OP is saying than agree. It doesn’t have to be a -Yoink!- contest. If you’re a human being than I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have at least some degree of intelligence. I don’t need to know you’re intelligent, I’m already assuming that you are.
anyhoo great thread OP. I agree the AA needs a boost or Variants. Personally I’d love to see a Honor Guard Wraith Variant of the AA Wraith.
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> I find it absolutely irritatingly annoying how everyone on here is always competing to be right. Like for crying out loud just agree. You don’t need to say “I disagree but you’re right”
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> just admit it, OP has a point of which I perfectly understand and agree with.
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> Like common people, we aren’t all rocket scientists here. If you get what the OP is saying than agree. It doesn’t have to be a -Yoink!- contest. If you’re a human being than I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have at least some degree of intelligence. I don’t need to know you’re intelligent, I’m already assuming that you are.
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> anyhoo great thread OP. I agree the AA needs a boost or Variants. Personally I’d love to see a Honor Guard Wraith Variant of the AA Wraith.
SMH… so people are supposed to just agree to broad statements and can’t just agree with part of it?
Lately I’ve been doing air defence a lot with rockets. I normally get to take down 3-4 air vehicle per rocket and my energy regenerates in time for more rockets.
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> > I find it absolutely irritatingly annoying how everyone on here is always competing to be right. Like for crying out loud just agree. You don’t need to say “I disagree but you’re right”
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> > just admit it, OP has a point of which I perfectly understand and agree with.
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> > Like common people, we aren’t all rocket scientists here. If you get what the OP is saying than agree. It doesn’t have to be a -Yoink!- contest. If you’re a human being than I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have at least some degree of intelligence. I don’t need to know you’re intelligent, I’m already assuming that you are.
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> > anyhoo great thread OP. I agree the AA needs a boost or Variants. Personally I’d love to see a Honor Guard Wraith Variant of the AA Wraith.
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> SMH… so people are supposed to just agree to broad statements and can’t just agree with part of it?
Broad or straight to the point? This is where appropriate reading happens. The point OP is trying to make is that the AA Wraith is too weak and needs a boost, he compares it to it’s effectiveness against air craft.
>Point is AA Wraith needs a boost.<
^ straight to the point right there ^
something we all agree on
Thats it. You don’t need to go into great details about it, nor argue the specifics. Read what OP is saying and don’t turn this into an argument over petty BS. FYI The Election is over and the Attitude needs to stop.
It’s not debate night on Saturday night live. Read the point OP is trying to make.
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> > > I find it absolutely irritatingly annoying how everyone on here is always competing to be right. Like for crying out loud just agree. You don’t need to say “I disagree but you’re right”
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> > > just admit it, OP has a point of which I perfectly understand and agree with.
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> > > Like common people, we aren’t all rocket scientists here. If you get what the OP is saying than agree. It doesn’t have to be a -Yoink!- contest. If you’re a human being than I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have at least some degree of intelligence. I don’t need to know you’re intelligent, I’m already assuming that you are.
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> > > anyhoo great thread OP. I agree the AA needs a boost or Variants. Personally I’d love to see a Honor Guard Wraith Variant of the AA Wraith.
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> > SMH… so people are supposed to just agree to broad statements and can’t just agree with part of it?
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> Broad or straight to the point? This is where appropriate reading happens. The point OP is trying to make is that the AA Wraith is too weak and needs a boost, he compares it to it’s effectiveness against air craft.
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> >Point is AA Wraith needs a boost.<
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> ^ straight to the point right there ^
> something we all agree on
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> Thats it. You don’t need to go into great details about it, nor argue the specifics. Read what OP is saying and don’t turn this into an argument over petty BS. FYI The Election is over and the Attitude needs to stop.
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> It’s not debate night on Saturday night live. Read the point OP is trying to make.
This is a forum, its meant to discuss things. If all we can do is agree or disagree there’s no point in having a reply button. You can agree with someone without agreeing entirely with them, that’s generally the point of a discussion. People aren’t here to be yes-men.
One thing you’re also oddly missing is that the OP’s main argument is actually that air vehicles are too powerful, which is part of what’s spurring the discussion. Even if one agrees air vehicles are too powerful, having that hinging on a single vehicle in the sandbox to counter is not necessarily good design either.
Furthermore not everyone here is american, discussing details is just a thing that happens. The american election system is entirely “A or B with no middle ground”, which is oddly what you’re actually saying we do.
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> > > I find it absolutely irritatingly annoying how everyone on here is always competing to be right. Like for crying out loud just agree. You don’t need to say “I disagree but you’re right”
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> > > just admit it, OP has a point of which I perfectly understand and agree with.
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> > > Like common people, we aren’t all rocket scientists here. If you get what the OP is saying than agree. It doesn’t have to be a -Yoink!- contest. If you’re a human being than I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have at least some degree of intelligence. I don’t need to know you’re intelligent, I’m already assuming that you are.
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> > > anyhoo great thread OP. I agree the AA needs a boost or Variants. Personally I’d love to see a Honor Guard Wraith Variant of the AA Wraith.
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> > SMH… so people are supposed to just agree to broad statements and can’t just agree with part of it?
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> Broad or straight to the point? This is where appropriate reading happens. The point OP is trying to make is that the AA Wraith is too weak and needs a boost, he compares it to it’s effectiveness against air craft.
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> >Point is AA Wraith needs a boost.<
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> ^ straight to the point right there ^
> something we all agree on
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> Thats it. You don’t need to go into great details about it, nor argue the specifics. Read what OP is saying and don’t turn this into an argument over petty BS. FYI The Election is over and the Attitude needs to stop.
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> It’s not debate night on Saturday night live. Read the point OP is trying to make.
He is also claiming air vehicles are broken and ruin warzone, he claims air vehicles can’t be boarded. Perhaps you should tell people who start threads to be more and straight to the point and don’t over embellish with stuff that aren’t facts.
Aerial vehicles have many inherent advantages that give them a major advantage over other REQ choices. Although a single wasp or banshee is just an annoyance, 3+ aerial vehicles working together can ruin a game pretty easily. Honestly, the only real defenses against them is either a Spartan Laser or another aerial vehicle. Pretty much everything else has some kind of disadvantage that makes it impractical to fight them with.
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> Aerial vehicles have many inherent advantages that give them a major advantage over other REQ choices. Although a single wasp or banshee is just an annoyance, 3+ aerial vehicles working together can ruin a game pretty easily. Honestly, the only real defenses against them is either a Spartan Laser or another aerial vehicle. Pretty much everything else has some kind of disadvantage that makes it impractical to fight them with.
Rocket launchers and rail guns are good against wasp and some what good against banshees as long as they aren’t flip crazy.
Also a good defense against aerial vehicles is ONI or rocket hogs but not many want to gun for them or drivers can’t drive.
I called it, but I guess that doesn’t mean a whole lot. I figured that the AA Wraith’s blobs need to be faster than the banshee itself in order to make it an effective response to it. And that’s on top of it needing some heavy tracking against aerial targets. The AA Wraith in Halo 3 was very effective in its role – but that was because we only encountered them while piloting the clumsier Hornet and they were guided by an AI that could effectively predict all plausible paths the hornet would take. The Halo 3 AA Wraith would simply try to fill the airspace around where it generally expected the Hornet to be with the blobs, and that posed a credible (but not overpowering) threat. I suppose that’s worth noting: this was originally a vehicle designed so that we would never pilot it, and as such it was designed only to be an obstacle for us to conquer, not a weapon for us to wield.
All I can suggest is that the AA Wraith get a specific buff to combat the specific problem vehicles. If there is issue in any buff to the guns against aerial targets (in that it makes them too effective against ground targets) then it can just be a sort of “firing mode change” that happens when an AA Wraith locks on to an aerial target. When targeting banshees, wasps and phaetons the AA Wraith fires fast, hard-tracking fuel rods in a burst, and against ground targets it’s the usual wild slow spray.
I would say that the AA Wraith fires too many shots that don’t deal enough damage, and that the projectile speed of the plasma in the air is too slow too. Speed up the projectiles, make it less shots to fire until you overheat, but allow more damage in the shots, and i’d say its a good buff, and a balanced one at that.
I have to agree with a waiting period inbetween so many flips with the banshee or you can only do so many flips with in a time frame. Anti air vehicles are good for the game play, but flip flip flip flip is way too much. Makes me dizzy at times, then you get two banshees from both sides up in the air and you can really watch a flip flip flip flip flip flip flipping show…