Why i think Halo 4 is a bad start for 343

I have been playing Halo 4 since it’s release now and a lot of things are really bothering me about this game. The way 343 created this game takes skill away, and not just by a little bit. This has to be the worst Halo game i ever played and here is why.

  1. The Boltshot
    It is limited to have a 1 hit kill weapon as a standard load out weapon. This isn’t COD it’s Halo, and in Halo when you have a 1 hit kill weapon you clearly have a huge advantage.

  2. Promethean Vision
    We already have an upgraded motion sensor but NO! 343 just had to include an AA which -Yoinking!- let’s you look trough walls! They are trying to encourage stealth with the whole Wetwork specialization but what is the -Yoinking!- use of stealth and crouching so nobody can see you on the motion sensor if some person just has to press a little button to know where you are.

  3. The DMR is overpowered COMPARED to the BR
    Why is it that the DMR has a serious advantage over the battle rifle? It is even easier to aim now with it then in Reach and the DMR wins 99& of the time against the BR. This just again proves how unbalanced this game is.

  4. Aim flinch
    No i am not going to complain that the flinch makes aiming harder it actually makes it a bit too easy. First when you would get hit at you would automatically zoom out, because of this when you had a DMR/BR Duel it would really matter how quick your aim reflexes were but in Halo 4 it doesn’t matter. You just have to strafe a bit here and there keep shooting. I know this sounds a bit extreme but in my opinion it really takes away skill.

  5. Grenades
    Since Halo 2 grenades have always been OP and there have always been countless threads about it, but it seems 343 just ignores these because grenade spamming is like expected back in Halo 4. Now it is actually encouraged because of the increased grenade carrying capacity AA. Why can’t everyone just spawn with one grenade? reduce the grenade spawns on the map and let players spawn with one grenade and look how the spamming will be reduced

  6. The Mantis
    I loved Valhalla, i still do, but not with overpowered transformers rampaging across the map. The Mantis would be a nice addition but the energy shields and the melee attack just make it plain overpowered. This is the only vehicle that allows the player to be in control of a sub machine gun and the rockets at the same time.

  7. Regicide
    Now i like the idea of this. I really do, but it just doesn’t work. IN the good old Rumble Pit it was every man, no king and no bounty but because of the new king system everyone just goes after the king and lots of times the worse player wins only because he got maybe one more regicide. We don’t need a king, when someone in Reach was going really good and had nice weapons players would automatically go after him because he had the good weapons. This would change over and over and this made Rumble Pit fun because you got profit a bit from the chaos of FFA.

  8. The point system.
    It is good when you get rewarded for your actions but when someone with 33 on 45 has more points then someone with 25 on 7 something is seriously wrong. K/D should be a factor in your amount of points and the XP you get. What would then be the use of K/D if you didn’t even get rewarded for it?

  9. Discrimination against Europe
    I know this sounds stupid but why has Europe have to wait before we can level up further then 70? Europe is a very large part of the Halo fan base, and i just don’t get why 343 did things with the level system the way they did. If the cap is there to prevent people from no-lifing then good job 343, you have failed again. I already see lots of 110+ what difference does it make if a good player is capped at 70 or already 120? If he gets mixed up in a match it is 343 fault because of their matchmaking system, not the players fault only because he is good at the game.

  10. Spartan Ops lag
    I thought we already went over this issue with Reach but it seems 343 also can’t get it right. Every but literally every Spartan Ops game i play online is laggy. It is playable but the lag is always there and after awhile it will annoy the hell out of you.

  11. Split screen frame rate drops
    Why is it that every when i want to play with a friend we can’t enjoy the game to the fullest because of the frame rate drops on the larger maps? On the larger maps it is almost impossible to play because every time there is a bit of chaos the frame rate just drops to -Yoinking!- 15 fps resulting in death. This is like selling a broken product, the box never said i couldn’t play split screen because the game would then lag. It even says it is eligible for split screen what a joke! Wouldn’t be surprised if this is some evil Microsoft plan to make halo 4 unplayable with two players resulting in that everyone that wants to try halo 4 HAS to buy the game because when you play it at a friend you only see a piece of -Yoink- that doesn’t work like it should.

  12. Ranking up too fast.
    If 130 is the max rank in halo 4 this has to be the shortest halo 4 online experience i’ve ever seen. i would bet that if the level cap wasn’t ever used i would already be a 130. In Reach it took ages when you for example had to level up from mythic to noble. I remember it took me three weeks or something but in 4 you can probably just play one week and rank up 5 or 6 levels. I don’t know what 343 plans for the future but the max rank better be increased.

  13. Custom games is gone
    Why am i not allowed to tweak a custom game the way i want it to be tweaked?
    343 just simply removed all these option!

  14. Removed Assault, Juggernaut, and Race.

  15. Failed to bring back VIP.

  16. Removed the ability to change Infected weapons and appearance in Flood.

  17. Cannot disable sprint.

  18. Cannot disable your new flag settings.

  19. Removed the Custom Powerup.
    7.NO WAYPOINT SUPPORT FOR FILE SHARE ITEMS.
    Big fail.

These were the major reasons i could come up with why this game is a disaster to the Halo franchise, of course there are many other minor reasons why i dislike it, but if the main problems were solved these tiny problems wouldn’t be that big of a deal

  • Gay Spartan Armor
  • New menu looks ridiculous
  • Soundtrack sucks
  • Campaign wasn’t that exiting
  • Spartan ops boosting
  • In dominion the wrong weapons are displayed
  • Challenges are broken
  • Theater is just weird
  • No co-op theater but this was already in Reach.
  • You can’t boot someone out of your party. ( or i don;t know how)
  • Sniper looks like a stick with a box glued on top of it.
  • 3 Railgun shots to kill a Ghost?
  • 2 sticks needed to kill a Ghost?
  • Crimson DLC maps also lag like hell

Now of course Halo 4 isn’t all that bad, but i think the cons outweight the pros on this one. What do you guys think? Did 343 do a good job, or did they make a very bad start? Sadly i’ll think i will choose for the latter because a lot of these problems were addressed long before this post and i heard nothing from 343.
It saddens me to say that the future i predict for the Halo franchise is that is just like COD becomes a copy of the past game with some little tweaks only for the money. No more fun with Bungie, no weekly updates. Just the game some patches and some DLC to rip some more money off of you. PS: I know alot of the grammer is probably bad, English is not my main language sorry.

Yep thats a good list, so many of those are just maddeningly obvious too. I think thats the worst aspect of the Halo4 problems for me, that so many of them are just common sense sort of things.

Should we remove Assault? Sure!

You know? Even the little things are starting to bug me, like how you can’t see your secondary weapon in your HUD but your enemies and teammates CAN see your secondary weapon. Utterly baffling.

i agree that the game isnt bad , in fact i love it , but a few changes need to be done

  1. Lag
    2)Boltshot
    3)Join started matches ABOUT TO END! , I LIKE JOINING STARTED MATCHES , BUT WHEN THAY HAVE ONLY 2 OR 3 MINS

Oh man yes to #3. That is infuriating.

Also fix friendly fire, it should either be in or out. I don’t like being betrayed by a teammate in a vehicle who then scoops up my sniper leaving me powerless to retaliate.

Saw nothing but campaign, so the entire topic is irrelevant to me :frowning:

This game has no purpose or appeal. CoD and BF control the class based shooter market. This game is just a clone of those that happens to have a big name attached. Nothing more.

The worst thing of all this is that we hear nothing from 343. When something like this happened on the Bungie forums you would immediately notice an update about the whole thing.

> The worst thing of all this is that we hear nothing from 343. When something like this happened on the Bungie forums you would immediately notice an update about the whole thing.

Yea remember when it didn’t take 3 months to get things fixed. 343 should be embarassed.

I agree with almost everything except I do like the soundtrack. In fact I love it. But for the most part this game sucks now.

“3. The DMR is overpowered COMPARED to the BR
Why is it that the DMR has a serious advantage over the battle rifle? It is even easier to aim now with it then in Reach and the DMR wins 99& of the time against the BR. This just again proves how unbalanced this game is.”

Who cares if the DMR is better than the BR? How long have you played Halo? I’ve been playing for a LONG time. I remember when everyone complained in Halo 2 because the BR had replaced the Pistol from Halo 1 as the dominant weapon. Then, after Patch 1.5 came out, and made the BR even stronger, everyone adapted and used the BR.

The DMR is a great starting weapon, which helps people who are stuck in their base push out against people camping mid-map.

It doesn’t prove the game is “unbalanced” at all. Halo 1 and Halo 2 are considered the best Halo games in the franchise, and they had the two most dominant starting weapons, the Pistol and the BR. Please stop regurgitating the same broken arguments other forum trolls are using.

> Saw nothing but campaign, so the entire topic is irrelevant to me :frowning:

That used to be exactly how my Spartan IV looked before I switched to the classic Mark VI.

It’s hilarious that the people who try to defend the dmr use it exclusively. If it’s not ridiculously op’s why is it all you use Hans?

> It’s hilarious that the people who try to defend the dmr use it exclusively. If it’s not ridiculously op’s why is it all you use Hans?

Did you even read my post at all? I didn’t say it wasn’t Overpowered. The DMR doesn’t make the game “non-competitive” or “unbalanced” because you have one strong starting weapon. Every weapon in the game doesn’t have to be equal and balanced. See Halo 1 and Halo 2. In H2, just because the Carbine or Magnum wasn’t on par to the BR, didn’t mean the game was broken… Everyone has an equal opportunity with the weapon. Additionally, the person who got the first shot with the BR in Halo 2 usually won as well. Was the game broken? No, it’s considered if not the best, one of the best competitive console games ever.

If the forum trolls got their wish, and 343 nerfed the DMR, People could simply walk down the middle of map to get the Flag, and there would be no punishment for doing so. It’s laughable to think people could get away with that on Lockout, Blood Gulch, Midship, etc… A strong starting weapon punishes people who don’t use strategy/creativity/logical thinking to get from Point A to Point B.

I feel like Golmember when as I write this, but “there is no pleasing you”. You can’t have it all my friend. Won’t happen…

> “3. The DMR is overpowered COMPARED to the BR
> Why is it that the DMR has a serious advantage over the battle rifle? It is even easier to aim now with it then in Reach and the DMR wins 99& of the time against the BR. This just again proves how unbalanced this game is.”
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> Who cares if the DMR is better than the BR? How long have you played Halo? I’ve been playing for a LONG time. I remember when everyone complained in Halo 2 because the BR had replaced the Pistol from Halo 1 as the dominant weapon. Then, after Patch 1.5 came out, and made the BR even stronger, everyone adapted and used the BR.
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> The DMR is a great starting weapon, which helps people who are stuck in their base push out against people camping mid-map.
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> It doesn’t prove the game is “unbalanced” at all. Halo 1 and Halo 2 are considered the best Halo games in the franchise, and they had the two most dominant starting weapons, the Pistol and the BR. Please stop regurgitating the same broken arguments other forum trolls are using.

The DMR is the most overpowered precision weapon in the game. There is enough evidence to make that conclusion. How is that a broken argument, again?

> “3. The DMR is overpowered COMPARED to the BR
> Why is it that the DMR has a serious advantage over the battle rifle? It is even easier to aim now with it then in Reach and the DMR wins 99& of the time against the BR. This just again proves how unbalanced this game is.”
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> Who cares if the DMR is better than the BR? How long have you played Halo? I’ve been playing for a LONG time. I remember when everyone complained in Halo 2 because the BR had replaced the Pistol from Halo 1 as the dominant weapon. Then, after Patch 1.5 came out, and made the BR even stronger, everyone adapted and used the BR.
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> The DMR is a great starting weapon, which helps people who are stuck in their base push out against people camping mid-map.
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> It doesn’t prove the game is “unbalanced” at all. Halo 1 and Halo 2 are considered the best Halo games in the franchise, and they had the two most dominant starting weapons, the Pistol and the BR. Please stop regurgitating the same broken arguments other forum trolls are using.

The DMR is overpowered because it is the most powerfull and effective weapon at all ranges. If you have a medium range duel between a DMR and a BR the DMR will 9/10 win because it is so much more powerfull then the BR. The 1/10 depends on the players skill. The DMR is made for long range, then it should be alot less effective from medium to close range which it isn’t. It actually is still stronger then.

People are a bit too harsh on Halo 4 sometimes it’s kind of demoralizing.

Is there a reason this thread was revived after a month of inactivity?

And this thread was made before we knew some details of how 343i is fixing things and things havee been fixed and added.

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So far i don’t notice any of the things i described getting fixed except the specializations issue with Europe. Doesn’t matter i already sold Halo 4, i’m done with this franchise. I suggest you try out Battlefield 3. That’s a game without a ret.a.r.ded studio creating it. Money milking Microsoft boot lickers.

I agree with everything but the Mantis point you make… How can you even say that thing is OP whena single DMR can destroy it and have ammo to spare? Not to mention the fact that you can spawn with plasma pistol and nades…

If anything the Mantis needs to be buffed to be useful. Right now it’s just a big bullet sponge that cant kill anything.

All you have to do is sit back and unload your DMR on it from across the map… which pretty much sums up the whole Halo 4 mp experience lol