Okay, so we know that in the second mission of Halo 5 the Master Chief gets a warning from Ghost Cortana who warns him that the Reclamation is about to begin, the Domain is open, and Meridian is next and that he only has three days to get there.
We know that Blue Team goes AWOL after this, but my question is why? What about this particular threat that Ghost Cortana has warned him about necessitates him going rogue? It seems to me that his first step would be to warn the UNSC of what is about to happen, or at least leave a note telling them where Blue Team is going. We know that this vision occurs halfway through the mission.
Does something else occur in the other half that convinces him that Blue Team needs to fly solo for this mission?
Could it be that he does warn the UNSC but they (ie: ONI) don’t listen to his warning so he decides to take action on his own?
Is he, like Dr. Halsey suggested, emotionally compromised by the vision of Ghost Cortana? Could he have ulterior motives to follow this quest beyond just a duty to humanity?
Is it possible that he might not be telling Blue Team the whole truth regarding the nature of this mission? An outright lie is not in keeping with John’s character, but he is capable of lying by omission. Could this create conflict within Blue Team later on in the game?
I would sincerely appreciate your thoughts.
Because its Chief and Blue team. Chief could tell them to go outside wearing bunny costumes and they would.
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> Because its Chief and Blue team. Chief could tell them to go outside wearing bunny costumes and they would.
I think Kelly would actually be all in favor of that.
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Indeed.
And in all honesty, they have worked together since they were 6 years old. They are also the last of the Spartan IIs. Each of them would die for any of the others. If Linda wanted them all to go somewhere they would. The Spartan IIs are a close knit family.
All the above, and the fact that there on an ONI station… so they might discover something their too.
> Is it possible that he might not be telling Blue Team the whole truth regarding the nature of this mission? An outright lie is not in keeping with John’s character, but he is capable of lying by omission. Could this create conflict within Blue Team later on in the game?
> I would sincerely appreciate your thoughts.
If that’s the case… then… no… just no… Out of character completely and I’m pretty sure blue team (or at least Kelly) would figure it out right away… IF they take that course it would be a travesty.
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> All the above, and the fact that there on an ONI station… so they might discover something their too.
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> If that’s the case… then… no… just no… Out of character completely and I’m pretty sure blue team (or at least Kelly) would figure it out right away… IF they take that course it would be a travesty.
I didn’t even think of that. Yeah they better not go the “He didn’t tell us the whole truth” path.
Live Together, Die Alone.
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> Live Together, Die Alone.
I think “Live together, Die together” better describes blue team… (at least what they would prefer)
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The phrase is actually a shortened version of “If we don’t live together, we’re going to die alone.” I never really understood why that is, as the shortened version conveys the opposite point of the longer version, but whatever.
All the questions you present are very good, and at this point I would say just about any of the scenarios you described (or even a combination of some of them) are likely. Unfortunately, with the simple lack of information we have currently, that also makes it harder to narrow down which one is most likely…
Though I do agree with what others have said in that the Chief lying to Blue about what their goal is (even if it’s by omission) is next to impossible - if the writers are sticking close to their characterizations from the books, that is. However, there is still the potential for friction either way. Because even though the Chief isn’t liable to lie to his teammates, that won’t prevent him from possibly being tricked (which details from the second episode of “The Sprint” definitely seem to point towards). And if John is thoroughly convinced that what they’re doing is right, I can definitely see the others backing him up. And when it’s reveled that they were wrong, that could create some conflict.
Knowing Blue Team, I think one thing is for sure though: they wouldn’t go AWOL unless they thought for certain they were doing something to protect people.
Because the S-IV’s are worshipped as gods, while S-II’s get absolutely no respect. Also because Del Rio, who objected the same man who saved humanity 2 times at that time, managed to become a high ranking official in ONI or whatever. I feel like politics 500 years in the future are the same as today. Morons in charge. Also because people think they’re crazy cuz of ONI and their diabolical plans
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> Because the S-IV’s are worshipped as gods, while S-II’s get absolutely no respect. Also because Del Rio, who objected the same man who saved humanity 2 times at that time, managed to become a high ranking official in ONI or whatever. I feel like politics 500 years in the future are the same as today. Morons in charge. Also because people think they’re crazy cuz of ONI and their diabolical plans
Pretty sure its the other way around. The S-IV’s still have a lot to prove and so far have a nasty track record of Insurrectionist defectors within their ranks. The S-IIs are hero worshiped, but there definitely seems to be a lot of fear associated with them. The Main Stream Media did turn on them pretty quickly in Hunt The Truth after all.
Oh, and Del Rio became a Senator, not an ONI official.
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> All the questions you present are very good, and at this point I would say just about any of the scenarios you described (or even a combination of some of them) are likely. Unfortunately, with the simple lack of information we have currently, that also makes it harder to narrow down which one is most likely…
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> Though I do agree with what others have said in that the Chief lying to Blue about what their goal is (even if it’s by omission) is next to impossible - if the writers are sticking close to their characterizations from the books, that is. However, there is still the potential for friction either way. Because even though the Chief isn’t liable to lie to his teammates, that won’t prevent him from possibly being tricked (which details from the second episode of “The Sprint” definitely seem to point towards). And if John is thoroughly convinced that what they’re doing is right, I can definitely see the others backing him up. And when it’s reveled that they were wrong, that could create some conflict.
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> Knowing Blue Team, I think one thing is for sure though: they wouldn’t go AWOL unless they thought for certain they were doing something to protect people.
Doesn’t even necessarily have to be a large omission. Could just be one small little detail that he chooses to leave out for one reason or another.
Or, to go back to the ulterior motives question, it could be that he also is sort of lying to himself about what his true motivations for going on this mission are. The Reclaimer Saga is ultimately about Chief finding his humanity, and I doubt that’s going to come about without a lot of internal conflict and a redefining of the relationships that he has.
They went AWOL because KFC was closing soon so they had no choice but to abandon their mission.
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> All the questions you present are very good, and at this point I would say just about any of the scenarios you described (or even a combination of some of them) are likely. Unfortunately, with the simple lack of information we have currently, that also makes it harder to narrow down which one is most likely…
> Though I do agree with what others have said in that the Chief lying to Blue about what their goal is (even if it’s by omission) is next to impossible - if the writers are sticking close to their characterizations from the books, that is. However, there is still the potential for friction either way. Because even though the Chief isn’t liable to lie to his teammates, that won’t prevent him from possibly being tricked (which details from the second episode of “The Sprint” definitely seem to point towards). And if John is thoroughly convinced that what they’re doing is right, I can definitely see the others backing him up. And when it’s reveled that they were wrong, that could create some conflict.
> Knowing Blue Team, I think one thing is for sure though: they wouldn’t go AWOL unless they thought for certain they were doing something to protect people.
Although it would be fairly interesting if chief thought he was doing the right thing and blue team was trying to convince him he wasn’t (kinda like “Burn notice”)… Although then you get into the “chief would probably Liston to them”… But that’s certainly a very interesting dynamic. I believe it’s also possible because the chief might just be so… “end of the road” with who he has lost (Cortona was the final straw), He might not be fully able to see reason and attempt to just go with it… which would be an interesting dynamic of friction.
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> > All the questions you present are very good, and at this point I would say just about any of the scenarios you described (or even a combination of some of them) are likely. Unfortunately, with the simple lack of information we have currently, that also makes it harder to narrow down which one is most likely…
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> Or, to go back to the ulterior motives question, it could be that he also is sort of lying to himself about what his true motivations for going on this mission are. The Reclaimer Saga is ultimately about Chief finding his humanity, and I doubt that’s going to come about without a lot of internal conflict and a redefining of the relationships that he has.
What detail would be worth omitting though? They’re doing this as a team, so it stands to reason they’re all on board and have a clear goal. That’s how they’ve always done things. Again, it would be extremely out of character for the Chief to not tell them everything (especially since their safety is at risk) and/or for his teammates to not pick up on the fact that he is witholding information from them. But as I said before this is still working on the logic that Blue Team will be fully in-line with what we’ve seen in the books, which remains to be seen. So really like with everything else you proposed that’s neither here nor there at this point in time. We simply don’t know enough about what Blue Team’s side of the story will be like yet. :\
I also have a strong feeling that we won’t be getting as much time with Blue as we will Osiris (I would even go so far as to say significantly less than half), as the devs have been //really cagey// about saying how the campaign is divvied up and seem to overly try to reassure people that even Locke’s missions are focused on the Chief’s story whenever the topic comes up…perhaps on Friday we’ll get more information from the ‘Halo 5’ panel at SDCC.
If you read the ‘Halo: The Fall Of Reach’ book, you’d see just how close these four friends are.
As quoted as Samuel-034 stayed behind to die on a covenant ship, "it was John who didn’t dare look back. If he had, he would have stayed with Sam."It would totally go against his nature to lie to Blue Team, and he wouldn’t have them help him for a perverted reason.
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> If you read the ‘Halo: The Fall Of Reach’ book, you’d see just how close these four friends are.
> As quoted as Samuel-034 stayed behind to die on a covenant ship, “it was John who didn’t dare look back. If he had, he would have stayed with Sam.”
> It would totally go against his nature to lie to Blue Team, and he wouldn’t have them help him for a perverted reason.
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> > Because the S-IV’s are worshipped as gods, while S-II’s get absolutely no respect. Also because Del Rio, who objected the same man who saved humanity 2 times at that time, managed to become a high ranking official in ONI or whatever. I feel like politics 500 years in the future are the same as today. Morons in charge. Also because people think they’re crazy cuz of ONI and their diabolical plans
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> Oh, and Del Rio became a Senator, not an ONI officer.
The S-II’s have had 30 years of experience not to mention they have built up a reputation of being close to gods which while is mostly true a decent portion of it was over exaggerated by ONI propaganda (I’m talking about how they are seen in universe here) as for the S-IVs well they are brand new and given time I think that they have the potential of being just as good as their predecessors after all we’ve already seen examples of what they can do.
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> All the above, and the fact that there on an ONI station… so they might discover something their too.
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> If that’s the case… then… no… just no… Out of character completely and I’m pretty sure blue team (or at least Kelly) would figure it out right away… IF they take that course it would be a travesty.
You know. In Halo First Strike. It almost felt Linda had Chief dialed in more then Kelly. I would place my money on her knowing of John was hiding anything from them